Embrace India, not Pakistan, says US columnist

[Naradmuni]

Embrace??!!??

India is just 'Flavor of the Month' which will be history & dead and gon in a few years from the US administration.

Care to explain how?

I appreciate your confidence here but really pity your intellect when you put up such worthless claims.

 

[Naradmuni]

Every Tom, Dick, Harry and Ramchand out there writes all kinds of crap. Who is this Hitchens again and who reads this ''Slate'' Magazine? Pushaw!!!

We are not equating the popularity of some magazine to be evidence of its worthiness in content and analysis. Popularity is not the true indicator here, By that logic Zaid hamid is factually the most correct person on this planet. And there are many other tom, dick , harry , uddins and ullahs like him, engaged in similar ranting. Their words cannot be taken to be divine just becoz they are too popular.

IMO, Independent and renowned columnist like Seymour Hersh, Hitchens, pervez hoodbhhoy etc. are no ordinary tom dick and harry that you are referring to, here.

 

[XYON]

Care to explain how?

I appreciate your confidence here but really pity your intellect when you put up such worthless claims.

Seems like a typical Indian dumbwit like you knows nothing about US history on such matters. US wants to make India its whore against China, everyone knows that. So in the end nothing will become of China other than India being the whore for sale.

My worthless claim is keeping in view the status of your worthless Indian nation.

 

[XYON]

We are not equating the popularity of some magazine to be evidence of its worthiness in content and analysis. Popularity is not the true indicator here, By that logic Zaid hamid is factually the most correct person on this planet. And there are many other tom, dick , harry , uddins and ullahs like him, engaged in similar ranting. Their words cannot be taken to be divine just becoz they are too popular.

IMO, Independent and renowned columnist like Seymour Hersh, Hitchens, pervez hoodbhhoy etc. are no ordinary tom dick and harry that you are referring to, here.

Thanks for your input Ramchand! Enough Said!

 

[deckingraj]

Seems like a typical Indian dumbwit like you knows nothing about US history on such matters. US wants to make India its whore against China, everyone knows that. So in the end nothing will become of China other than India being the whore for sale.

My worthless claim is keeping in view the status of your worthless Indian nation.

That kind of proves your intellect when you use words like worthless for any country forget Country as great as India... So US want to use India as its whore agasint China...hmmmm... Its been almost a decade since India and US started moving closer... Please use your intellectual level and suggest us anything viz-a-viz China that India did as per US influence???

When we did not join any camps in the 62 years odd history of independent India, even at the peak of Cold War how on this earth you think someone can pitch us against someone....Please note that even though our adversary pakistan had joined club under US umbrella india still pursued NAM....Here is an expert from Indo-Russia realtions history


India's nonalignment enabled it to accept Soviet support in areas of strategic congruence, as in disputes with Pakistan and China, without subscribing to Soviet global policies or proposals for Asian collective security.


India - Russia

 

[devd]

my point wasnt about the Indians. My point was that the problems average Pakistani has with the American gov is not that we dont want to control our lands. that is just crazy talk. The problem is much deeper, there is a feelng of betrayal and abandonment which took decades to build up and is a combination of many things. not as comically shallow as that T 50 person was making it out to be.

for example when Pakistan bought the F16s and the americans refused to give it to Pak because of the embargo. but then they refused to give back the money so Pakistan couldnt purchase something from elsewhere either.

Not only that, they then charged us fees for storing and upkeeping the planes that they had refused to give us. Why wouldnt an average person off the street despise that type of behaviour.

I guess you are lacks knowledge, there are completely different reason for F-16.

 

[devd]

The popularity rating of Chinese has always been good in Pakistan and mind you we dont get any aid from China.We only get soft loans which are repaid with interest.There were rallies against US even back in 80's when US was giving us billions and it still is giving us billions.Hell Even during 1965 war Pakistanis did not like American interference.There's a article about it on Times Magzine..We just don't want any other country messing with internal affairs be it China, US or any other power.Only Saudi Arabia gets away with this because Pakistanis have too much respect for KSA as its place of holy cities...and people are now even becoming anti KSA now.China is giving weapons so what the **** is your problem?We're paying for it..we bought weapons from France, Sweden, Ukarine, Brazil, Russia which will be ultimately used against anyone specially India if they attack us ...listen the world does not revolve around India.Pakistan is a foreign independent nation and other countries will sell it weapons whether you like it or not.Your dream of blocking every defense sale to an independent nation Pakistan will continue till the cows come home.In other words you can say "rasi jaal gai per bal nahin gaea"The mere fact that other countries are selling us weapons will continue to haunt indians till eternity.

I really dont think think China is a friend of pakistan, It is just using pakistan and morevevr china is a puppet of US in some sense. some example
1. India china still do bilateral increasing trade.
2. still do military excercise.
3. after Zardari repetatetive request to china, china denied to interfere in kashmir.
4. china didnt help in 1971, 1965 , 1999 mostly to pakistan.
5. i guess freinds are like india and israel , india and russia , except trade they stand behind india in war time, Israel send their palnes for kargil war and asked more help after mumbai attack to attack paksitan, nest day russian PM ask to help india for military to attack pakistan.

I guess this is due to the reason that pakistan is islolated from world, people take pakistan as a terrorist and failed state. and thus by helping pakistan china has lots of pressure on it and dont want to loss big ziant allies like India ,US, who makes big difference to their economy etc.

 

[UchihaCG]

2. still do military excercise.

since when did they start that?

Pakistan is a mere puppet for everyone now. What ever these Pakistanis think is their opinion =) we need not tell them what it means about their relations with China.

 

[devd]

since when did they start that?

Pakistan is a mere puppet for everyone now. What ever these Pakistanis think is their opinion =) we need not tell them what it means about their relations with China.

I dont know data and time, but i am pretty sure they had many naval exercise between them in last 5 yrs. Possibly some army exercise too. you can search the web for your curiosity

 

[Hulk]

Between India and Pakistan, I feel India cannot replace Pakistan. The reason is US needs someone on SE Asia who support them in whatever they want. If they want to attack any country provide military base etc etc. India on other hand has limit to what it will allow. So Pakistan cannot be replaced and Pakistan gains from it's relationship too, military support and training aid etc.

 

[blain2]

since when did they start that?

Pakistan is a mere puppet for everyone now. What ever these Pakistanis think is their opinion =) we need not tell them what it means about their relations with China.

Really? And may I ask who these "everyone" puppeteers are?

Only time will tell who holds the strings to what. I, for very many reasons, do not share your appreciation of the situation.

 

[s6demon]

Since you know so much backstabbing that US did to PAF(pak) regarding F-16's...tell me why on this earth you think those sanctions were applied on PAK....Once you tell me that then we will see weather those sanctions are in line with US policies or not....Only then we will be able to find out if US actually back-stabbed Pakistan or Pakistan did something which compelled US to put those sanctions..

P.S : I am just curious....Not taking any sides so don't use any pre-conceived parameter against my intent...I have high regards for Solomon2 and i am sure he would be able to fill up where we two can't....Wanna do that???

Those sanctions happened because another country dared to do what u.s. and britain and france and russia and china and israel and southafrica had already done in the past, become a nuclear power.

even if in your mind that warrents sanctions and the u.s. refused to sell the F16s. why then did they not return the money? and when then would they charge fees on the planes they werent going to sell us? i asked all of this stuff in my previous posts. you cant get away with it.

there is no need to have a judge or a jury to know the history. you and i are both knowledgable enough to know the REAL history which cannot be changed.

 

[s6demon]

I really dont think think China is a friend of pakistan, It is just using pakistan and morevevr china is a puppet of US in some sense. some example
1. India china still do bilateral increasing trade.
2. still do military excercise.
3. after Zardari repetatetive request to china, china denied to interfere in kashmir.
4. china didnt help in 1971, 1965 , 1999 mostly to pakistan.
5. i guess freinds are like india and israel , india and russia , except trade they stand behind india in war time, Israel send their palnes for kargil war and asked more help after mumbai attack to attack paksitan, nest day russian PM ask to help india for military to attack pakistan.

Another example of a complete joke post by one of our indian contributors.

1. China and Japan do trade, does that mean they are best pals now?

2. So does every single country with each other. I wouldnt be surprized if China's intention of doing a military exercize with India is so the scardy cat Indian military doesnt try to pull another one of its "foward strategy" like the last sino indian war. and we all know how the indian military got massacred that time.

3. When and why did zardari ask China to interfere with Kashmir? Also, when will indians start to live in reality?

4. After the massacre of indian military the chinese told the Pakistanis to take advantage that Kashmir is now empty and Indian military knocked out down on the floor. but the Pakistanis didnt, i dont know why, maybe because of their own stupidity.

5. Firstly i am surprized you even admited that India needed help of Israel and Russia to deal with Pakistan during Kargil. that is a very brave thing to admit to, and soon enough other indian posters will start saying that you are wrong and india never needed any help at all.

Just because Israelis think they can take advantage of the Indians to exert some sort of check on Pakistan and sell their weapons, doesnt make Indians their "friends."

 

[jeypore]

Clarification: you guys should know that Nixon's private conversational habits were pretty weird. Kissinger discusses them in his books. Seems that Nixon would often say one thing at first but later give orders to do something else. Most aides learned not to act on the first thing Nixon said - and learned that what he mouthed wasn't necessarily always what he felt. Nixon seems to have had a surface of prejudice, but his inner core was (usually) what drove his actions.

My point? You can't necessarily go by snippets of any conversation Nixon had with his aides to prove anything about U.S. policy.

Oh Please come on Mr. Solomon, I have agreed with you so far, but this is far fetch even for me to believe. Lets look at it this way, he has gives orders out one way, but his advisers would win out in other ways.

I am no liberalist, but this sound to far to the right even for me..

There are certain critical issues against India, which Nixon should have not made, and there are links that I can Provide.

 

[devd]

1. China and Japan do trade, does that mean they are best pals now?

1. Does japan and pakistan are enemy, I guess you didnt understand my point. please read it again carefully. and read this also.

2. So does every single country with each other. I wouldnt be surprized if China's intention of doing a military exercize with India is so the scardy cat Indian military doesnt try to pull another one of its "foward strategy" like the last sino indian war. and we all know how the Indian military got massacred that time.
Again you didnt get my point, Could please explain what is the purpose of military exercise. Is there any relation between sino war and military exercise? care to explain?


3. When and why did zardari ask China to interfere with Kashmir? Also, when will indians start to live in reality?
My dear bro you seriously lacks knowledge. Do i need to say anymore. just google it and you will find at least 4-5 news about it. I guess google is best to use for next one year to improve your world knowledge. no offense please.

4. After the massacre of indian military the chinese told the Pakistanis to take advantage that Kashmir is now empty and Indian military knocked out down on the floor. but the Pakistanis didnt, i dont know why, maybe because of their own stupidity.
Do you really want to know actual reason here?

5. Firstly i am surprized you even admited that India needed help of Israel and Russia to deal with Pakistan during Kargil. that is a very brave thing to admit to, and soon enough other indian posters will start saying that you are wrong and india never needed any help at all.
Please read below point carefully.
a. why US needs NATO in afgan and in all war.
I guess sufficient to answer your question.

Just because Israelis think they can take advantage of the Indians to exert some sort of check on Pakistan and sell their weapons, doesnt make Indians their "friends.
Let me ask you what friends means? this is the definition of friends.they give weapons we give space and other technology. besides educational and cultural exchange.