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East Timor: Lessons of a Failing State?

Remember charity begins at home. NTT which have similar climate and beach with Timor is one of the poorest province in Indonesia, on average maybe even poorer than Timor Leste people. It's going to be silly if Indonesia help Timor getting rich while at the same time neglecting her own loyal citizen at NTT ........

disagree, East Timor nominal GDP is roughly USD 1.2-1.3 billion and the GDP of NTT is roughly USD 4 billion. Infrastructures in Kupang are more organized than that of Dili. But regardless, we have to develope NTT to be a better province.
 
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That too, but I rather help the Timorese first on the count of we prefer to have a strong & table East-Timor on our side.

How about this, no Timoreans no problems. Just let them kill each other and we keep our border tightly, no need to take care about them. They want freedom, we grant it. If they wanna to conduct business with us, let it be their initiative not us.
 
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disagree, East Timor nominal GDP is roughly USD 1.2-1.3 billion and the GDP of NTT is roughly USD 4 billion. Infrastructures in Kupang are more organized than that of Dili. But regardless, we have to develope NTT to be a better province.

NTT has more people than Timor, per capita NTT (RP 6-7.500.000, 2012) still lower than Timor (around $1000).

Although in my work I have already travel extensively at NTT but I never go to Dili so I can't make a direct comparison, so I'll take your word for it.
 
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NTT has more people than Timor, per capita NTT (RP 6-7.500.000, 2012) still lower than Timor (around $1000).

Although in my work I have already travel extensively at NTT but I never go to Dili so I can't make a direct comparison, so I'll take your word for it.

Lamalera is soooo beautiful, i think i was stranded in heaven when landed there

But i am agree with @nufix NTT is more develop than Timor, amid huge aid from donor organization for Timor Leste
 
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How about this, no Timoreans no problems. Just let them kill each other and we keep our border tightly, no need to take care about them. They want freedom, we grant it. If they wanna to conduct business with us, let it be their initiative not us.

The F is wrong with you? They kill each it other it will spill into the border look at US-Mexico right now. Business goes both way. If we start a joint-tourism with East-Timor we will as a society will reap the full benefit of the fruit later. I just don't like Ramos Horta & his ilk managing Timor Economy. Even a fresh graduate from business school is much more "savvy" than those fools. Turning East-Timor into a tourist trap is merely one of many suggestion for the country to take.
 
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NTT has more people than Timor, per capita NTT (RP 6-7.500.000, 2012) still lower than Timor (around $1000).

Although in my work I have already travel extensively at NTT but I never go to Dili so I can't make a direct comparison, so I'll take your word for it.

Yes east timoreses have higher income percapita., they are wealthier....on paper , fact is..the wealth is not well dispersed into the population, minimum wage for workers in NTT is RP 1.4 million (roughly USD 130), 1.8 (USD 170) if the government in there follow the trend to increase the minimum wage, compared to East Timor's USD 85 (although it has been set to USD 115). And bear in mind that East Timor is a biggest UN aid recipient, the so called "East Timorese GDP" is not really generated by in-land productions, that's also why the price of comodities in there is averagely higher than in NTT. Eventhough they really had USD 1000 dollars, what good will that sum of money do if the prices are still high? Villagers in Baucau prefer to go to Indonesian side of Timor Island to buy cooking oil and basic foods.

I think our so called "bumi hangus" strategy really works well, it destroyed more than 80% of infrastructure in East Timor and made one generation of east timorese lost. The result is pretty much summed up in its today's situation.
 
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The F is wrong with you? They kill each it other it will spill into the border look at US-Mexico right now. Business goes both way. If we start a joint-tourism with East-Timor we will as a society will reap the full benefit of the fruit later. I just don't like Ramos Horta & his ilk managing Timor Economy. Even a fresh graduate from business school is much more "savvy" than those fools. Turning East-Timor into a tourist trap is merely one of many suggestion for the country to take.


How long is the border in NTT? put 4000 strong man along the border and erect the barricade wall all they way from sea-to-sea and they can't enter our lands for sure.

Meh, i will not take it for granted with those people and International community not see us too brightly when talking about Indonesia-Timor relations. Sure, i am not against cooperation with them but if they want to business with us, let it be their initiative not us. Me think, they will scapegoat and blame us in future if we are deep involving ourselves in their matters (say it in Economy, Culture and Politics or whatever) every time their conditions got worsened. That's why our government not too keen to proactively promoting Indonesia business in Timor unless they invited us, and i am sure they want our product and they prefer to conduct business with us than with the Australian or Chinese private business. But just let it their initiative, their money, not us.
 
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Bad news from Timor as media faces muzzles
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June 8, 2014
Jose Antonio Belo
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Yet to put into effect laws to regulate the media and freedom of expression in East Timor: President Taur Matan Ruak.

Sadly, I have bad news to report from East Timor. It is not yet clear how long my colleagues and I will be able to freely report the news. But readers should know, things are not what they seem in the glowing press releases from Government Palace in Dili. The government, through its members in the national Parliament, is taking steps to limit basic freedoms held by Timorese citizens.

East Timor is now a vibrant and peaceful young democracy, but a few weeks ago it took a significant step backwards towards the days of the Suharto regime, when Indonesia occupied East Timor for 24 years between 1975 and 1999.

On May 6, the national parliament of East Timor passed a law to regulate the media and freedom of expression in East Timor. The law has yet to be promulgated by the President of the Republic, Taur Matan Ruak, although it was sent to him to pass this week.

The law is not only undemocratic but is also in violation of the constitution. The constitution gives rights to the media and citizens for freedom of expression in articles 40 and 41, but the new law seeks to limit, restrict and in some cases terminate those rights. East Timor is in danger of becoming a guided democracy: one in which the democracy responds not to citizens’ interests, but to those of the political and moneyed elite.

In East Timor that elite is feeding happily on the more than $US15.7 billion ($16.8 billion) in the nation’s Petroleum Fund. This is something they are seeking to secure in the long term.

The elites are creating measures to silence dissent and public debate about government programs and public spending. One way in which they are doing so is through this new media law.

Some of the most serious concerns citizens and media actors have about the new law include its measures to define media broadly so as to include citizen media. That means anyone who collects and disseminates information, such as bloggers, NGOs, institutions, book authors and even Facebook and Twitter users.

The government and its lawmakers designed the new media law so that a media council of five people has the power to approve and certify journalists
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The council’s independence is dubious and may be influenced by the elite to serve their interests. The law also bans student and freelance journalists unless they have been certified by the proposed, and politicised, media council. This council will be selected by Parliament and media representatives, but paid for by government.

Alarmingly, especially given the role of international and Australian media in East Timor’s struggle for independence, foreign journalists will be barred or require government permission to report from East Timor. This will effectively clamp down on any foreign media except those doing good news stories.

Perhaps foreign journalists will have to smuggle themselves in and out as tourists again? This is reminiscent of the work that I did in the 1990s when helping foreign correspondents report on our struggle against the Indonesian military dictatorship.

The law also bans political, business and state employees from acting as media or journalists. The media council can find that citizens have contravened the law and they would then face harsh penalties. In essence this copies the defamation law which was intentionally removed from the new penal code.

I was investigated in 2009 under that defamation law for reporting on the corruption practised by the then minister of justice Lucia Lobato. She is now serving a multiyear sentence in prison. Perhaps if this law was in place then, it would be me in prison now instead of the ex-minister.

So the elites of East Timor are concerned that free speech will limit their ability to control and abuse the Petroleum Fund for their own benefit. Anti-corruption programs have had little effect. Some offenders have been made an example of, but this is mostly window dressing. The vast majority remain unhindered in their pocket-lining. Despite popular promises to limit or terminate 100 per cent lifelong pensions to all members of government and Parliament, nothing has happened.

This is just the tip of the iceberg. Even the supposedly clean Minister of Finance, Emilia Pires, is under investigation for awarding contracts to her husband. But people in Dili believe this will come to nothing. Countless other members of government as well as members of Parliament, past and present, are under similar scrutiny. This scrutiny is due to media activity, and it is for this reason that media and citizens are about to be muzzled.

Furthermore, the political alliance between the government and the opposition, designed to protect elite interests in the name of national stability, suggest that the elites are consolidating their position in order to divide the spoils of independence. Citizens will just have to be silent, or be made to be silent, if they disagree. Clearly, there is a conceptual divide between the citizens and the elites.

The elites think they own the country, whereas the citizens do, at least in a real democracy instead of a guided democracy. If the law is promulgated, we will be significantly less free than we have been since 1999. Should this happen, there will be a significant resistance against the law, even if it means some of us have to go to prison in defence of our rights.

Jose Antonio Belo is an East Timorese journalist.


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Bad News indeed. I always though we going to get another Democracy in our club.
 
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I'd say, let them learn from their impertinence
 
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they are fighting against tyrant from Jakarta to be replaced by their own in Dili, smart ***
 
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