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On paper the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) comes across as formidable. It is currently engaged in about 70 projects that include making almost every major conventional weapon system and platform that major military powers are already manufacturing. From rifles and machine guns to tanks, fighter aircraft, airborne warning and control system, aircraft carrier and a wide array of missiles—surface-to-air, surface-to-surface and sub surface. In reality, the DRDO has much to answer for its performance.


The DRDO, entrusted with developing weapon systems for India’s defence requirement, is critical for ensuring a high degree of self-reliance. Its huge establishment comprises a partnership with over 40 academic institutions, 15 national science and technology agencies, 50 public sector undertakings including the nine defence public sector units, the 40 ordnance factories and the over 250 private sector industries. By 2008, an estimated 1,500 small and medium enterprises were engaged in supplying about 20% to 25% of defence components to defence firms.


Notwithstanding, however, India’s self-reliance continues to hover at 30% to 35% despite a series of measures taken by the government that has resulted in India continuing to remain overly import dependent for its defence requirements. India has been unable to increase its self-reliance capability from the current 30% to 35% despite a series of measures it has taken in the last two-and-a-half decades in particular. Much of even the existing self-reliance capability is based on licence manufacture and transfer of technology by foreign state-owned or private companies. What is more, the government itself has expressed doubts about the country’s capability to even develop core technologies in reports prepared by the parliamentary standing committee on defence.


The harsh reality is that India’s state-owned defence industry has been unable to even develop a rifle, let alone a tank or an aircraft engine. The DRDO has consistently been shifting the timeline for all projects, ranging from rifles to aircraft. Furthermore, the DRDO has been unable to successfully complete a single major project except for a few missile systems and the nuclear powered submarine, although the latter has several shortcomings in capability. The procurement process continues to be time consuming and the private industry remains mired in bureaucratic processes. Most of the private industry’s involvement currently is low scale and focused on making sub systems. It is yet to graduate to making complete weapon systems or highly sophisticated technologies as is the case with major defence companies in the US and Europe.


India’s mission to increase self-dependency for defence equipment to 70% remains a dream. In 1992, following the breakup of the Soviet Union, which had been India’s main source of weapons supply, catering to 70% of the country’s defence requirements, a defence ministry “Self Reliance Review Committee” conceived “a ten-year plan for Self-Reliance in Defence Systems”, which, starting from 1995, was aimed at increasing India’s self-reliance index to 70% by 2005. The defence ministry has now shifted its deadline to attain about 70% self-reliance by over two decades to 2027. But as of now, this seems unlikely in the next ten years.


Efforts of successive governments have failed despite two unprecedented decisions that were specifically aimed at facilitating the self-reliance process—(a) opening of the military-industrial complex to Indian private sector participation up to hundred per cent, and (b) opening up to foreign direct investment (FDI) permissible up to 26%, which was subsequently increased to 49% in 2014 and 100% in 2016.


The present government’s latest emphasis on “Make in India” is undoubtedly noble, but seemingly idealistic. It remains to be seen whether “Make in India” will translate into “Made in India” or remain “Assemble in India”, without intellectual property rights and design control. Perhaps there is wisdom in the advice of David Gross, a Nobel Laureate in Physics, who during a visit to India in January 2016 advised that in order to “Make in India”, the country should focus on first “Discover in India”, followed immediately by “Invent in India”, before it embarks on “Make in India”. But this seems unlikely, considering India’s inflexible, irrational and outdated bureaucracy and the fact that India overall has been spending a paltry 0.9% of its GDP on research and development, compared to 2.1% by China, 2.7% by the United States and 4.4% by South Korea.


India’s record of producing and exporting weapon systems is extremely modest. For example, India’s defence exports averaged a meagre US$88 million a year between 2006-07 and 2008-09, which marginally rose to $174 million in 2013-14 and $330 million in 2016. At a cursory level, the list of countries that have been importing Indian defence equipment is impressive, as it also includes the United States, United Kingdom and Russia. But a study of the equipment reveals that it is very rudimentary—flight control panels, forging equipment and electronic assemblies to the US, transmitting tubes to the UK and, to Russia, some spares and services for the Russian origin MiG-29 and Sukhoi-30 fighter aircraft. None of these are critical technologies or anywhere close to a complete weapon system or a weapon platform.


In contrast, even while China is a major importer of defence hardware, it is at the same time also self-sufficient in certain key military technologies along with being a major weapons exporter. It was the fifth largest exporter of defence equipment to developing countries between 2000 and 2007, the third largest global supplier between 2010 and 2014 following an arms export increase by 143% and ranked fourth between 2008 and 2015 in arms transfer agreements with developing nations. China’s defence exports to developing countries averaged over $3 billion annually between 2011 and 2014, more specifically $2.5 billion in 2007, $2.2 billion in 2008, $3 billion in 2009, $1.9 billion in 2010, $3.2 billion in 2011, $3.4 billion in 2012, $4.2 billion in 2013 and $3.2 billion in 2014 and $ 6 billion in 2015.


India’s state-owned military industrial complex is characterised by flaws at several levels. Internal criticism against the military-industrial complex range from the way the DRDO is conceptualised and structured, its tendency to over reach, technological limitations and incapability; coordination problems with, and changing specifications by, the users, the myriad responsibilities of the head of the DRDO, the continuing limited involvement of the private sector and the predominant role of generalist bureaucrats with no expertise in defence. Moreover, the bureaucratisation of Indian science has created a scientific-work environment with features comprising caution, rules, reviews, screenings, scrutinies, committees, controls, centralisation, delays, doubts, indecision, inaction, suspicion, friction, and less communication.


Until India increases its self-dependence for its defence requirements, India’s import bill is only expected to rise, making it a foreign-made Indian armed force. But such over-dependence has come at a high price for the country and the armed forces, which for the last two-and-a-half decades has been battling depleting force levels and antiquity of weapon systems.
 
The following gem from the article:

The harsh reality is that India’s state-owned defence industry has been unable to even develop a rifle, let alone a tank or an aircraft engine. The DRDO has consistently been shifting the timeline for all projects, ranging from rifles to aircraft


The Sunday Guardian is an independent Sunday Newspaper, founded by journalist M. J. Akber (BJP MP).
Hence it must be more credible...Lol
 
And Indeed Modi Pointed it very early. :

With several of DRDO's programmes being behind schedule, Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Wednesday sent out a strong message to it by flaying the 'chalta hai' attitude and asked the defence research body to complete its projects before time to put India ahead in the world.

He underlined that technology in defence sector is changing fast and India is left behind because products which are "two steps ahead" come into the market "even before we conceptualise a system."

It is not that India lacks the talent pool but "I think there is this 'chalta hai' (lackadaisical) attitude", he said and told DRDO to "decide whether it has to respond to the situation" and set the agenda for the world.

"We can be the world leader by not following but by showing the way," the Prime Minister said at a function organised in New Delhi to give away DRDO awards.

"The time demands... the world will not wait for us. We have to run ahead of time. That is why whatever we do, we should try hard to do it before time. It should not be so that a project is conceived in 1992 and in 2014 (we say) it will take some more time. The world will go ahead," Modi said.

He said the challenge before India is "how do we complete work before time. If the world is coming up with some products in 2020, can we come in the field prepared with products in 2018."

Modi said the, "DRDO has to decide whether it has to respond to the situation or it has to be proactive and set agenda for the world and we have to set agenda for the global community..."

http://www.businesstoday.in/current...modi-drdo-tejas-nag-missile/story/209415.html

Although he made no direct mention, several of DRDO's projects such as the Light Combat Aircraft Tejas, Nag missile, Long-range Surface-to-Air missile project and the Airborne Early Warning and Control System projects have been delayed by many years and seen several cost overruns.

Drawing parallels between his government and the DRDO, the Prime Minister said, "People say that Modiji, we have lot of hopes and expectations from your government. People will have hopes from people who work as nobody would have hopes from people who don't do anything. I have hopes from DRDO because I know that DRDO has the capability to perform."
 
Just a hit piece. The same old "haha no rifle" nonsense.
No organisation exists that has delivered as much as DRDO on a similar budget.
This is despite the efforts to kill off their projects.

Babudom is indeed a problem.
 
DRDO is responsible for those project under its control. How could it be responsible for the whole defense industry?
 
India’s mission to increase self-dependency for defence equipment to 70% remains a dream.

One more nugget from SG managed by BJP MP.

Lol
 
Just a hit piece. The same old "haha no rifle" nonsense.
No organisation exists that has delivered as much as DRDO on a similar budget.
This is despite the efforts to kill off their projects.

Babudom is indeed a problem.

The lack of success was never due to lack of money but lack of talent. You cannot build talent with reservation system as the foundation. It has to be built based on merit. Hence, India would always struggle and lag China to build talent which can build great products.

DRDO is responsible for those project under its control. How could it be responsible for the whole defense industry?

DRDO is a conglomerate consisting of many Research & Development organizations for Defense in India. It does not manufacture any products. The manufacturing is done by other government entities like HAL (Fighters/Choppers), CVRDE (Tanks), BDL (Missiles), OFB (Guns & Ammunition).
 
The lack of success was never due to lack of money but lack of talent. You cannot build talent with reservation system as the foundation. It has to be built based on merit. Hence, India would always struggle and lag China to build talent which can build great products.
Blaming the reservation system is an excuse and opportunistic.
I'm against caste or religion based reservation, but its effects in DRDO and such are highly exaggerated.
The general category candidates that miss out aren't exactly top notch that can make a difference. They're very ordinary or low performers that don't belong in projects of national importance.
Maybe they'll perform once in the field, but so would reservation candidates then.

The real problem is brain drain. You wouldn't believe the amount of brilliant people that just abandon India.
 
Blaming the reservation system is an excuse and opportunistic.
I'm against caste or religion based reservation, but its effects in DRDO and such are highly exaggerated.
The general category candidates that miss out aren't exactly top notch that can make a difference. They're very ordinary or low performers that don't belong in projects of national importance.
Maybe they'll perform once in the field, but so would reservation candidates then.

The real problem is brain drain. You wouldn't believe the amount of brilliant people that just abandon India.

Agree with you that anyone with talent would leave India. It’s becoming a goal for Indians to leave India. They do have a right to a better future. And India only has itself to blame.

On the other hand, many Indian are proud of their best and brightest in the US, such as Nadella and Pachai. Chinese are not that good at climbing the business ladders. So they end up with guys like Jack Ma and Robin Lee.
 
I agree with you...Suprisingly, everyone is talking about fighter jets and submarines...Bur Indian local industry including DRDO is struggling to make a world class pistol or rifle that can be used by our military..That says the entire story of DRDO...

IA will be inducting 500,000+ DRDO designed rifles.

Chinese are not that good at climbing the business ladders. So they end up with guys like Jack Ma and Robin Lee.

Ever heard of Tata, Ambani, Birla etc?
 
Blaming the reservation system is an excuse and opportunistic.
I'm against caste or religion based reservation, but its effects in DRDO and such are highly exaggerated.
The general category candidates that miss out aren't exactly top notch that can make a difference. They're very ordinary or low performers that don't belong in projects of national importance.
Maybe they'll perform once in the field, but so would reservation candidates then.

The real problem is brain drain. You wouldn't believe the amount of brilliant people that just abandon India.
This maybe true to some extent but reservation is something to be blamed for as well. My senior in college who I worked with on quite a few technical projects including building solar cars and robots was one of the most talented guys I came across. He couldn't get into DRDO but currently he's working in LM where he was also provided with security clearance as it is a crucial defense project along with 5 patents in 2 years.

I personally experienced the same where I couldn't get an internship at HAL despite my fullest efforts but here I work for one of the top auto manufacturers in the US right out of college. I have interned at 2 PSU's in India and I could clearly vouch for how the reservations and recommendations have affected the entire industry. All those people do is to kill time, drink gallons of tea and chat on useless topics and these are the guys who plan dharnas and strikes when govt plans on privatizing these industries due to their poor performance

IA will be inducting 500,000+ DRDO designed rifles
Did you see the recently manufactured JVPC's by one of the OFB?
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They look like some cheap chinese toy in a village fair
 
Just a hit piece. The same old "haha no rifle" nonsense.
No organisation exists that has delivered as much as DRDO on a similar budget.
This is despite the efforts to kill off their projects.

Babudom is indeed a problem.

Dear friend...Not sure about others..But personally i love to see more credible thing what DRDO has delivered for us...I am trolling..If you are working in DRDO or have information about success story of DRDO please share it with us..
 
Dear friend...Not sure about others..But personally i love to see more credible thing what DRDO has delivered for us...I am trolling..If you are working in DRDO or have information about success story of DRDO please share it with us..

People are right that DRDO shouldnt handle all R&D, just like PSUs, OFBs shouldnt manufacture all defence products in their domain, but this is how India stupidly set up it's industry since independence, coming from a economically socialist root.

DRDO is still producing things from titanium sponge to warship grade steel. From 4d radars to AWACS system. From SLBMs to SSBNs.

They can produce a rifle no doubt, but how many times will the user change goal posts? If you want a successful program, all parties have to be in sync. User, developer, production agency.

DRDO's ATAGS is a great model, IA's arty, DRDO, TATA/Bharat Forge are in complete sync to put out a world class product, ATAGS even created a world record for the longest range 155mm arty right now. India could've it's own rifle ready today if the same was done in small arms when IA first started it's requirement, what happened to that original requirement?
 

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