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Don’t forget how the Soviet Union saved the world from Hitler

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People look at photos on the "We have won!" memorial panel in Stavropol, Russia May 5, 2015. The panel shows the famous Soviet picture "Flag above the Reichstag" made from 4,222 portraits of defenders of their Motherland during the World War II from Stavropol, local media reported. REUTERS/Eduard Korniyenko


In the Western popular imagination -- particularly the American one -- World War II is a conflict we won. It was fought on the beaches of Normandy and Iwo Jima, through the rubble of recaptured French towns and capped by sepia-toned scenes of joy and young love in New York. It was a victory shaped by the steeliness of Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower, the moral fiber of British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, and the awesome power of an atomic bomb.

[What V-E Day was like in London for a U.S. airman on leave from the war]

But that narrative shifts dramatically when you go to Russia, where World War II is called the Great Patriotic War and is remembered in a vastly different light.

On May 9, Russian President Vladimir Putin will play host to one of Moscow's largest ever military parades to mark the 70th anniversary of the Soviet Union's victory over Nazi Germany. More than 16,000 troops will participate, as well 140 aircraft and 190 armored vehicles, including the debut of Russia's brand new next-generation tank.

It's a grand moment, but few of the world's major leaders will be in attendance. The heads of state of India and China will look on, but not many among their Western counterparts. That is a reflection of the tense geopolitical present, with Putin's relations with the West having turned frosty after a year of Russian meddling in Ukraine. When Russia's T-14 Armata tank broke down at a parade rehearsal on Thursday, the snickering could be heard across Western media.

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Russian soldiers are pictured next to the Reichstag building in this undated photo taken May 1945 in Berlin. (REUTERS/MHM/Georgiy Samsonov/Handout via Reuters )

Unfairly or not, the current tensions obscure the scale of what's being commemorated: Starting in 1941, the Soviet Union bore the brunt of the Nazi war machine and played perhaps the most important role in the Allies' defeat of Hitler. By one calculation, for every single American soldier killed fighting the Germans, 80 Soviet soldiers died doing the same.

Of course, the start of the war had been shaped by a Nazi-Soviet pact to carve up the lands in between their borders. Then Hitler turned against the U.S.S.R.

[What one Soviet soldier saw when he entered Auschwitz.]

The Red Army was "the main engine of Nazism’s destruction," writes British historian and journalist Max Hastings in "Inferno: The World at War, 1939-1945." The Soviet Union paid the harshest price: though the numbers are not exact, an estimated 26 million Soviet citizens died during World War II, including as many as 11 million soldiers. At the same time, the Germans suffered three-quarters of their wartime losses fighting the Red Army.

"It was the Western Allies’ extreme good fortune that the Russians, and not themselves, paid almost the entire ‘butcher’s bill’ for [defeating Nazi Germany], accepting 95 per cent of the military casualties of the three major powers of the Grand Alliance," writes Hastings.

The epic battles that eventually rolled back the Nazi advance -- the brutal winter siege of Stalingrad, the clash of thousands of armored vehicles at Kursk (the biggest tank battle in history) -- had no parallel on the Western Front, where the Nazis committed fewer military assets. The savagery on display was also of a different degree than that experienced farther west.

Hitler viewed much of what's now Eastern Europe as a site for "lebensraum" -- living space for an expanding German empire and race. What that entailed was the horrifying, systematic attempt to depopulate whole swaths of the continent. This included the wholesale massacre of millions of European Jews, the majority of whom lived outside Germany's pre-war borders to the east. But millions of others were also killed, abused, dispossessed of their lands and left to starve.

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Russian soldiers are pictured on top of the Reichstag building in this undated photo taken May 1945 in Berlin.(REUTERS/MHM/Georgiy Samsonov/Handout via Reuters)

"The Holocaust overshadows German plans that envisioned even more killing. Hitler wanted not only to eradicate the Jews; he wanted also to destroy Poland and the Soviet Union as states, exterminate their ruling classes, and kill tens of millions of Slavs," writes historian Timothy Snyder in "Bloodlands: Europe between Hitler and Stalin."

By 1943, the Soviet Union had already lost some 5 million soldiers and two-thirds of its industrial capacity to the Nazi advance. That it was yet able to turn back the German invasion is testament to the courage of the Soviet war effort. But it came at a shocking price.

In his memoirs, Eisenhower was appalled by the extent of the carnage:

When we flew into Russia, in 1945, I did not see a house standing between the western borders of the country and the area around Moscow. Through this overrun region, Marshal Zhukov told me, so many numbers of women, children and old men had been killed that the Russian Government would never be able to estimate the total.

To be sure, as Snyder documents, the Soviet Union under Stalin also had the blood of millions on its hands. In the years preceding World War II, Stalinist purges led to the death and starvation of millions. The horrors were compounded by the Nazi invasion.

"In Soviet Ukraine, Soviet Belarus, and the Leningrad district, lands where the Stalinist regime had starved and shot some four million people in the previous eight years, German forces managed to starve and shoot even more in half the time," Snyder writes. He says that between 1933 and 1945 in the "bloodlands" -- the broad sweep of territory on the periphery of the Soviet and Nazi realms -- some 14 million civilians were killed.

By some accounts, 60 percent of Soviet households lost a member of their nuclear family.

For Russia's neighbors, it's hard to separate the Soviet triumph from the decades of Cold War domination that followed. One can also lament the way the sacrifices of the past inform the muscular Russian nationalism now peddled by Putin and his Kremlin allies. But we shouldn't forget how the Soviets won World War II in Europe.


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soviet union was saving itself only from Hitler, commies used soviet soldiers as cannon fodder in the so called the great patriotic war after killing entire senior military leadership in the great purge.
Completely agree with you
 
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It amazes me like Westerners like to portray Soviet leadership in the role of bloodthirsty vampires, feeding the blood of Christian babies.
If Stalin had not made some cleaning the Soviet Union would collapsed just as the Russian Empire did in 1917. There were many, many western agents in country.
Now you can see the example of Turkey, where the West has created a parallel state. In USSR they've had the same network.
 
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It amazes me like Westerners like to portray Soviet leadership in the role of bloodthirsty vampires, feeding the blood of Christian babies.
If Stalin had not made some cleaning the Soviet Union would collapsed just as the Russian Empire did in 1917. There were many, many western agents in country.
Now you can see the example of Turkey, where the West has created a parallel state. In USSR they've had the same network.

Its interesting I was just reading policy of appeasement, how Chamberlain (British PM), Daladier (French PM) and US ignored Soviet requests to counter Fascist and Japanese aggression collectively , from Spanish civil war to actions in Rhineland, Austria, Studentenland and consequently in Czechoslovakia , Allies feared Communists more than the Fascists until reality hit them.
You mentioned Turkey, Turkey has realized the west's aim is to carve out Kurdistan in Iraq and Syria by supporting Peshmegra and YPG, thus Turkey was forced to preemptively move into Syria to prevent this from happening, they seek to redraw Middle Eastern map on the basis of ethnic faultlines just like what they did post WWI.
On a side note, FSB chief was in Pakistan, Pakistan is willing to provide access to Russia to Gwadar via CPEC to increase strategic outreach to Indian Ocean and Gulf.
 
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Its interesting I was just reading policy of appeasement, how Chamberlain (British PM), Daladier (French PM) and US ignored Soviet requests to counter Fascist and Japanese aggression collectively , from Spanish civil war to actions in Rhineland, Austria, Studentenland and consequently in Czechoslovakia , Allies feared Communists more than the Fascists until reality hit them.
On a side note, FSB chief was in Pakistan, Pakistan is willing to provide access to Russia to Gwadar via CPEC to increase strategic outreach to Indian Ocean and Gulf.
The Soviet Union tried to establish an alliance against Nazism and fascism more actively then everybody else. Moreover, only USSR proposed military aid to Czechoslovakia in 1938.
I read that in the summer of 1939, Stalin made one last attempt to persuade Britain and France make an alliance. To no avail.
Hitler was brought to power, specifically for the destruction of Russia. That is why the West (Anglosaxons) gifted to Hitler the whole of Europe almost without war. During the attack on the Soviet Union in Hitler's hands were concentrated the united industrial and intellectual power of the whole Europe.
 
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The Soviet Union tried to establish an alliance against Nazism and fascism more actively then everybody else. Moreover, only USSR proposed military aid to Czechoslovakia in 1938.
I read that in the summer of 1939, Stalin made one last attempt to persuade Britain and France make an alliance. To no avail.
Hitler was brought to power, specifically for the destruction of Russia. That is why the West (Anglosaxons) gifted to Hitler the whole of Europe almost without war. During the attack on the Soviet Union in Hitler's hands were concentrated the united industrial and intellectual power of the whole Europe.

Absolutely , Russian requests were ignored, the allies had deeply entrenched fear of communism and ignored Fascism.
 
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Its interesting I was just reading policy of appeasement, how Chamberlain (British PM), Daladier (French PM) and US ignored Soviet requests to counter Fascist and Japanese aggression collectively , from Spanish civil war to actions in Rhineland, Austria, Studentenland and consequently in Czechoslovakia , Allies feared Communists more than the Fascists until reality hit them.
You mentioned Turkey, Turkey has realized the west's aim is to carve out Kurdistan in Iraq and Syria by supporting Peshmegra and YPG, thus Turkey was forced to preemptively move into Syria to prevent this from happening, they seek to redraw Middle Eastern map on the basis of ethnic faultlines just like what they did post WWI.
On a side note, FSB chief was in Pakistan, Pakistan is willing to provide access to Russia to Gwadar via CPEC to increase strategic outreach to Indian Ocean and Gulf.

Everyone was following a theory of appeasment toward Germany since nobody wanted a repeat of the destruction and bloodbath of the WW1,another world war,by then we thought we could avoid a catastrophic war. You must understand that the consequences of the WW1 were still present in the minds.
Oh and you probably forgot that Germany and the Soviet Union were openly allied,both signed a non aggression pact,both divided Poland.... until they (Germany and Hitler) finally backstabbed them...

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Everyone was following a theory of appeasment toward Germany since nobody wanted a repeat of the destruction and bloodbath of the WW1,another world war,by then we thought we could avoid a catastrophic war. You must understand that the consequences of the WW1 were still present in the minds.
Oh and you probably forgot that Germany and the Soviet Union were openly allied,both signed a non aggression pact,both divided Poland.... until they (Germany and Hitler) finally backstabbed them...

Ribbentrop -Molotov Pact or Non Agression Pact was signed, after Russian-British talks failed, infact by Munich Pact of 1938, which literally gave Czechoslovakia to Hitler , USSR was pushed away.
 
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Ribbentrop -Molotov Pact or Non Agression Pact was signed, after Russian-British talks failed, infact by Munich Pact of 1938, which literally gave Czechoslovakia to Hitler , USSR was pushed away.
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English football team in Berlin, 1938.
England and France de facto allowed Hitler to restore the army. Britain and France allowed Hitler to occupy the Rhineland demilitarized zone.
1933. Four-Power Pact (Italy, Germany, England, France).
1934. The pact of Pilsudski - Hitler (Germany, Poland).
1935. Anglo-German Naval Agreement.
1936. Anti-Comintern Pact (Germany, Japan).
1938. Munich Agreement (Britain, France, Germany, Italy).
September 30, 1938 Great Britain and Germany signed a declaration on mutual non-aggression.
A similar declaration of Germany and France was signed later.
1939. The Treaty of Non-Aggression of Germany and the Baltic countries.

And only August 19, 1939 non-aggression pact between Germany and the USSR.
 
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English football team in Berlin, 1938.
England and France de facto allowed Hitler to restore the army. Britain and France allowed Hitler to occupy the Rhineland demilitarized zone.
1933. Four-Power Pact (Italy, Germany, England, France).
1934. The pact of Pilsudski - Hitler (Germany, Poland).
1935. Anglo-German Naval Agreement.
1936. Anti-Comintern Pact (Germany, Japan).
1938. Munich Agreement (Britain, France, Germany, Italy).
September 30, 1938 Great Britain and Germany signed a declaration on mutual non-aggression.
A similar declaration of Germany and France was signed later.
1939. The Treaty of Non-Aggression of Germany and the Baltic countries.

And only August 19, 1939 non-aggression pact between Germany and the USSR.

Quick question when did Italy join Anti Comintern Pact, to form Tokyo-Berlin-Rome Axis, in 1937 or 1939 ?
 
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Hitler was brought to power, specifically for the destruction of Russia. That is why the West (Anglosaxons) gifted to Hitler the whole of Europe almost without war.
You may have had some valid points but I think here (above) you have gone overboard. If, what you state was true (Anglo-Saxons wanting destruction of Russia by Hitler) then why did the Allies launch Operation Overlord and open the second front against Germany in Normandy 1944?

That had the effect of drawing some German forces away from the eastern front which relieved some pressure on the eastern front. If your claim was to hold water you would have to explain why the Allies opened the second front? They could eaily have waited on the English coast for longer time frame?
Or they could have have downgraded the aerial bombing of German was intense from 1943 onward to the point where it seriously disturbed German military production which again helped Russia.
 
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USSR not only very much singlehandedly defeated the nazis through massive sacrifice they also are the primary reason that Asia, Middle East, Africa and Latin America was able to throw off the sackles of colonialism.

The contribution of USSR can not be underestimated.
 
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You may have had some valid points but I think here (above) you have gone overboard. If, what you state was true (Anglo-Saxons wanting destruction of Russia by Hitler) then why did the Allies launch Operation Overlord and open the second front against Germany in Normandy 1944?

That had the effect of drawing some German forces away from the eastern front which relieved some pressure on the eastern front. If your claim was to hold water you would have to explain why the Allies opened the second front? They could eaily have waited on the English coast for longer time frame?
Or they could have have downgraded the aerial bombing of German was intense from 1943 onward to the point where it seriously disturbed German military production which again helped Russia.

The article does not mention at all the vast amount of equipment shipped by the US to the Soviet Union.
You do not win wars by losing millions of Your own troops.
You win wars by killing the enemy.
The Soviet Union certainly had to handle the largest part of Wehrmacht, but would have
been much worse off without the logistical support coming from the 100s of thousands
of trucks delivered by the US.

How many are aware that while the T-34 was the icon of Soviet Tank Forces,
the Guards Units got equipped with Shermans. Pictures of Soviet Shermans are really rare,
and I assume that is on purpose,

Soviet reporting of WW2 is neglecting the support from the West much more
than the West is neglecting Soviet contribution.

The biggest tank battle in history, Prochorovka, ended with Germany controlling the battlefield.
That meant that many tanks should be recoverable.
Guess what, the Allies invaded Sicily the next day, so Hitler abandoned the whole Kursk offensive.

USSR not only very much singlehandedly defeated the nazis through massive sacrifice they also are the primary reason that Asia, Middle East, Africa and Latin America was able to throw off the sackles of colonialism.

The contribution of USSR can not be underestimated.

That credit belongs much more to the US of A, and President Roosevelt,
which blocked Churchills plans.
 
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The Russians, Brits, French, and Poles directly contributed much to the Liberation of Norway. Towards the end of WWII, the Russians chased the German Army slightly west of Kirkenes, and were later joined by British and Norwegian forces forming Force 138, which pushed the Germans further south and out of Troms country.

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At the rear from right: Colonel Arne Dagfin Dahl, Crown Prince Olav and Commander Soviet Forces in Norway Lieutenant General Sherbakov.

Sweden, though officially neutral throughout the war helped train Norwegian partisans and regulars and supported the Norwegian government in exile.

A negotiated surrender finally drove the Germans out, thwarting their plan to make Norway their bastion of last resistance.

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Germans surrender Akershus Fortress to Terje Rollem on 11 May 1945, marking the end of their occupation of Norway.

Throughout the German occupation of Norway, Poland, France, Britain, Russia and Sweden helped us the most.

Russia was instrumental in driving the Germans out of Finland, and through Norway and without their help it'd have been a long and bloody campaign to finally drive them back.

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That's the abridged version:happy:.
 
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The article does not mention at all the vast amount of equipment shipped by the US to the Soviet Union.
You do not win wars by losing millions of Your own troops.
You win wars by killing the enemy.
The Soviet Union certainly had to handle the largest part of Wehrmacht, but would have
been much worse off without the logistical support coming from the 100s of thousands
of trucks delivered by the US.

How many are aware that while the T-34 was the icon of Soviet Tank Forces,
the Guards Units got equipped with Shermans. Pictures of Soviet Shermans are really rare,
and I assume that is on purpose,

Soviet reporting of WW2 is neglecting the support from the West much more
than the West is neglecting Soviet contribution.

The biggest tank battle in history, Prochorovka, ended with Germany controlling the battlefield.
That meant that many tanks should be recoverable.
Guess what, the Allies invaded Sicily the next day, so Hitler abandoned the whole Kursk offensive.



That credit belongs much more to the US of A, and President Roosevelt,
which blocked Churchills plans.


What I stated was not mean to belittle contribution of other states. But the sheer number of people USSR lost in WW2 and their subsequent assistance to the liberation movement around the world when they were also in the process of reconstruction should not also be unestimated.

In terms of battles against colonialism I am not very familiar of US contribution. All I would say US wanted to ensure they had their guys in power post colonial liberation , that is about it from Vietnam, Indonesia, Iran, Middle East and Africa and Latin America . Action undertaken was to serve US interest so it is understandable and I would not infer they blocked necessarily independence movement but they never encouraged or supported any independence movement.
 
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