Doctor's mindset

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

I wanted to suggest diseases in order to help doctors arrive at correct diagnosis. But the mindset of doctors is a problem. The behavior of doctors is as follows:

• Doctors don’t have an open mind. Their refrain is, “We are professionals. We know better.” They forget that laymen patients can reveal something because they are the ones experiencing the symptoms.

• I think it is because medicos aren’t trained to deal with certain situations. When they were studying medical, they weren’t instructed on what to do if they come across anything unique/strange/unfamiliar. They see everything through the prism of known diseases. The culture of out-of-the-box thinking is not there. They simply dismiss the patient by citing some universal condition. I suspect that doctors suffer from ‘frog in the well’ syndrome. Just as frogs cannot imagine a world beyond it’s well, doctors are discouraged from thinking anything outside the realm of documented diseases.

• There are some ‘universal diseases’ which doctors use to wash their hands off patients. The symptoms of these universal diseases are present in everyone to some degree. So it is hard to argue with doctors. For instance, if anyone is unemployed and poor or suffers from cancer, obviously he would be worried and/or sad and obsessed about his problems. Would it be proper for medical professionals to declare it as anxiety or depression or OCD? The sufferer’s problem would be unemployment and poverty or cancer NOT anxiety/depression/OCD. One doctor actually uttered this line, “Looking at the TONE of your description, it seems it is anxiety/depression/OCD.”

• Most doctors lack the patience to notice subtle things and pursue difficult concepts. They forget that many functions are apparently simple and taken for granted. But if there is a slight change in the mechanism of these functions, it paralyzes the patient. Most doctors overlook that some subtle changes damage the patient just enough to ruin his life but not enough for others (at least lay people) to notice it.

• So stubborn are doctors about the ambit of known-documented diseases that some ignore the symptoms present in the patient and thrust the symptoms absent in the patient to ensure that patient comes within the ambit of known-documented diseases. One guy who had ‘diagnosed’ depression, anxiety, stress etc actually told me, “When are you happy? Admit that you are never happy.”

• When you demand explanation for the symptoms not matching with diagnosed disease, doctors have endless number of excuses to brush aside the question. For example if the patient asks the doctor to check in his textbooks whether the exhibited symptoms and the symptoms of the diagnosed disease are same, the doctor replies, “Yes, in advanced stages of the disease, these symptoms appear,” although it is not true. It seems when doctors do MBBS, they are trained to churn out excuses. Some doctors even ridicule the demand for diagnosis i.e. leave alone correctness of the diagnosis, it would be big thing if they just reveal the diagnosis.

Examples of excuses doctors churn out. It should tell about the attitude of doctors.

1. Once when I began to complain about memory damage, pat came the doctor’s reply, “Everybody’s caliber is not the same.”
Explanation: Memory damage can happen to Einstein-Newton as well as to a retard. Where does the question of caliber come in this?

2. When I complain of doctors not reading the description of symptoms properly, I was actually told that it is because they don’t have time.
Explanation: My description takes barely 15 minutes to read. If doctors can’t spare 15 minutes to know symptoms, why are they in the profession of psychiatry then? It is their duty to spend time in properly reading the description.

3. When I suggested that mobile phone waves may be causing neurological problems, they asked one illogical question, “Why mobile waves don’t affect others?”
Explanation: Most people may be immune to effects of mobile phone waves but few may be susceptible. Thus mobile waves may indeed be the cause albeit affecting only minority of people. Why ask this senseless question?

4. If doctors make diagnosis of disease ‘A’ and I point out to them that actually the symptoms of disease ‘B’ match with my ordeal, their answer is: Both disease ‘A’ and disease ‘B’ are one and the same. If you have any one of them, you automatically get the other. Disease ‘A’ is the advanced stage of disease ‘B’ and vice versa.
Explanation: You cannot win argument with doctors even if your points are valid.

All of the above are real life anecdotes. Including the one regarding thrusting absent symptoms (mentioned elsewhere).

• After all the hurdles are cleared and if at all the doctor understands that the disease may indeed be something undiscovered, he would be indifferent to the concerns of the patient. He would not suggest the next course of action like way to contact clinical researchers. Doctors are like, “This is some undiscovered disease. What do I care? Tell him anything and just dismiss the patient.”

• Another grouse I have about medical fraternity is their blind support for doctors. They don’t see the merits of the case. They support other doctors just because they are doctors.

• I also hear sermons about trusting doctors. For reader’s information, initially for a very long time I trusted doctors completely i.e. for four long years during a crucial period of life. I took doctor’s words at face value. It is doctors who should be questioned why they make patients lose faith in the system by not giving proper response and clearing valid doubts. That is how doctors force patients to surmise that their condition is some undiscovered disease. For instance, in 17 years of consultation with umpteen doctors, not once did I hear a single sentence which I can relate with. Not once did I get the feeling, “The doctor’s description is reminiscent of my ordeal.”

Yes, sometimes I wondered if they have the open mindeness to become a doctor in the first place

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Just what is in doctor's minds? Why do doctors think, "A doctor can never be wrong. Doctors are infallible."?

 

[namefield_empty]

^ Thus spake the fool, the ignoramus strikes again.

The more one devotes his faculties to a particular cause, more humble he comes to be. Medical science is no different, rapidly evolving with time. Medical practitioners are not magicians nor are they faith healers who claim miracle cures.

So the premise of the dolt's assertion that doctors think they can never be wrong fall flat. They operate under tight guidelines and the scope of failure is slim and comes at a great cost, they are constrained by the limits of their know-how and the science itself and most are aware of this grim reality. Doctors in India work for 16 hour shifts daily, those in the peripheral areas have to make do with substandard facilities and harsh work environments. They don't close shop like the bank employees and others during the scheduled break hours, have to work during the weekends and attend night shifts without prior notice.

All this for what? To witness ungrateful schmucks like the OP to question their work ethics and integrity. People like the OP are the ones to assault and badmouth on duty doctors.

Listen OP, people with your mindset attacked the junior doctors in NRS, Kolkata and they target us in Assam.

Except we are not alone this time, our pleas no longer fall in deaf ears, whole country has risen up with us.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Just what is in doctor's minds? Why do doctors think, "A doctor can never be wrong. Doctors are infallible."?

Yes, but a doctor can be right as well.
And a patient should be educated enough that he should know that which doctor to visit. I mean you will never visit a gynaecologist for headache.

So I will say, change your doctor.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

COINCIDENCE!!!

Even Google mentions doctors as an example of what is not infallible.

 

[VikingRaider]

Pseudomedicine

Let me tell you a true story, that happened in front of me. One man in my area was an extremely ill man. He has lots of diseases. Asthma, heart problem, ENT probablem ( sinusitis), and severe inhalation allergy. He used inhalers and sometimes doctors prescribed medicines, even steroids like prednisolone. He had severe headache deep inside head and he used to take stemeteal often.

For his sinusitis he needed to take steam bath with menthol/benzine almost every day 7/8 times in winter and 3/4 times in summer. He also had coughs outside his asthma, and doctors often prescribe antibiotics.

He got lots of treatment with few good doctors from Dhaka. However doctors recommend him to wear musk finally, because of his severe inhalation allergy. In summer he was literally red in warm weather because of mask and also used to get sick again and again because of extreme hot. So mask made his life hell.

He used to wear a shirt and over it a thin sweter and over it another sweater and then a jacket in winter. I was surprised how this man is living a life, because his disease was increasing every year and he is junior to me. He actually remain sick 20/22 days in a month.

Another absurd thing is when his cough started, even in winter he started to sweat and sweet increased his cough violently, he almost and sometimes puked. Switched on the fan in winter and when his sweat gone, then his cough automatically stopped!

Finally visited a local homeopathic doctor who actually passed BHMS from Govt Homeopathic medical college.

However after 2/3 months of treatment improvement started. Later after 6 months he was half cured. And after more than one year his asthma is completely cured .

He now doesn't use this creepy mask, even use just one sweater or jacket in extreme cold.

Not only his asthma is gone, but all terrible cough tendencies gone. He does not take menthol vapours since 2 years! So I am wondering how pseudo ( as you claimed) medicine made him cure and gives him a new life?

Well I also went to the same homeopathic doctor for my tumor treatment. And my tumor is vanished without surgery! isn't wonderful man? So if it's pseudo medicine, how it can heal?
@Michael Corleone

 

[namefield_empty]

However doctors recommend him to wear musk finally,

Musk as in the class of musky odours that are bottled in deodorants or face masks? Either way, one is a harmful allergen that may precipitate asthma and the other will deteriorate the status of a patient during an acute attack. The doctor he consultant was unqualified and incompetent. Says a lot about the medical standards in your country. But that doesn't take away the fact that homeopathy is a sham and a scam. Try to read about the underlying principles of the quakery known as homeopathy masquerading as science and you will never visit a homeopath again. At the best it acts as a placebo, and most homeopaths in any case prescribe allopathic medicines.

my tumor

What kind of tumour if you may elaborate?

 

[VikingRaider]

What kind of tumour if you may elaborate?

Tumor on my back side ( slightly bellow kidney area), and another one is just bellow wrist, and they were not painful. Just took bad shape! And the one on the wrist was harder comparing the backside tumor!

Musk as in the class of musky odours that are bottled in deodorants or face masks? Either way, one is a harmful allergen that may precipitate asthma and the other will deteriorate the status of a patient during an acute attack.

Actually he is a business man and he used to wear it in his shop. He violently cough if any vehicle pass, and his cough reduced with only cool air specially on his throat area ! So sensitive he was! And it was a face mask! Sorry for misspelling!

Says a lot about the medical standards in your country.

I have no disagreement on it. Our doctors are mostly a.ssholes, so hated by people! But

But that doesn't take away the fact that homeopathy is a sham and a scam.

What is has to do with homeopathic medicine? He is finally cured, so does that really matter if it's is pseudo medicine or not? He doesn't cough anymore! Living healthy and happy life!

Try to read about the underlying principles of the quakery known as homeopathy masquerading as science and you will never visit a homeopath again

I actually don't visit! Actually I am quite healthy man, and don't need to visit doctors often. I just visited for my tumor because I know that in allopathic treatment, surgery is only way ( correct me if I am wrong) , and I didn't want it!

However how can you explain the man's story that happened infront of me? And also my tumor vanished? And tumor is silly case, as it's not only me but some other have the same results.

Ps: I didn't say that allopathic medicine doesn't work! I just said that both medicine work well! Maybe for some person allopathic medicine work or for some homeopathy!
However I suppose you are a doctor. So what is your comment on his condition about his extreme sweating when cough and then when fan cooled him down even in winter and then cough reduced? Always heard that cough increase in cold, but he is unique case, never saw someone who's cough is reduced when his sweat gone! But extremely cold also caused him same trouble!!
@Axomiya_lora

 

[namefield_empty]

Tumor on my back side ( slightly bellow kidney area), and another one is just bellow wrist, and they were not painful. Just took bad shape!

Most probably a ganglion cyst, as you mentioned that it regressed spontaneously. Hope you got them clinically examined with follow up investigations.

Actually he is a business man and he used to wear it in his shop. When he was outside his violently cough if any vehicle pass!

Lots of people suffer from dust and smoke allergy(atopy) or bronchitis leading to wheezing which may or may not coexist with asthma(giving the same picture). Definitive diagnosis is required.

What is has to do with homeopathic medicine? He is finally cured, so does that really matter if it's is pseudo medicine or not? He is not living happily!

Removal of the offending cause often resolves the symptoms, with basic allopathic medications. It is entirely plausible that the homeopath prescribed him an allopathic drug.

I know that in allopathic treatment, surgery is only way ( correct me if I am wrong) , and I don't wanted it!

Nope, depends on the illness and the scope of drugs to deal with it. Listen to me very carefully buddy, the literal meaning of allopathy is to treat a disease with drugs having opposite effect to it. Whereas in the fake science homeopathy, they believe that like cures like, homeopathic drugs actually contain the supposed elements that cause the disease, but diluted thousand folds where by serial dilution in batches of drugs over many years they contain nothing that causes the disease. Learn about placebo effect on the internet, that's homeopathy for you.

And also my tumor vanished?

Ganglion cysts regress on their own or may persist in cases that require surgery.

 

[VikingRaider]

It is entirely plausible that the homeopath prescribed him an allopathic drug.

But the medicine he gave him was just liquid with slight scent of rectified spirit!

Same type medicine he gave me too and how can it be allopathic! He made it in another room after taking my cases!

Nope, depends on the illness and the scope of drugs to deal with it. Listen to me very carefully buddy, the literal meaning of allopathy is to treat a disease with drugs having opposite effect to it. Whereas in the fake science homeopathy, they believe that like cures like, homeopathic drugs actually contain the supposed elements that cause the disease, but diluted thousand folds where by serial dilution in batches of drugs over many years they contain nothing that causes the disease. Learn about placebo effect on the internet, that's homeopathy for you.

Okay understood. But you perhaps missed something.. Please read again and reply if you are a doctor! Read below in quotation!

So what is your comment on his condition about his extreme sweating when cough and then when fan cooled him down even in winter and then cough reduced? Always heard that cough increase in cold, but he is unique case, never saw someone who's cough is reduced when his sweat gone! But extremely cold also caused him same trouble!! But mostly cool air healed him when he coughed because he always sweat too much during the cough!
@Axomiya_lora

This is the part I later added! @Axomiya_lora

 

[namefield_empty]

So what is your comment on his condition about his extreme sweating when cough and then when fan cooled him down even in winter and then cough reduced? Always heard that cough increase in cold, but he is unique case, never saw someone who's cough is reduced when his sweat gone! But extremely cold also caused him same trouble!!

Yeah, noticed that now. Couple of pointers, since you had mentioned earlier that he had heart disease as well it is possible that he is a patient in end stage COPD, making him sweat as he exerts, which reduces as he rests under a fan as you say.

Other possibility is that of bacterial or viral respiratory tract infection, with cough during the sweating phase of the fever. But that would not be chronic, as he would seek treatment one way or the other.

Then, one has to keep in mind Tuberculosis in our countries, which is inevitably accompanied by coughing and night sweats.

Lastly, there is another entity called Cardiac Asthma totally unrelated to the asthma that you speak of. Only proper history, followed by clinical examination will help diagnose his condition. I would urge you to take him to a medicine specialist in your Medical College nearby instead of an unqualified and half baked homeopath.

 

[VikingRaider]

I would urge you to take him to a medicine specialist in your Medical College nearby instead of an unqualified and half baked homeopath.

Well I mentioned that he already took treatment for his asthma and later finally went to homoeopathic doctor when allopathic doctors failed. However maybe it's the failure of our allopathic doctors, not sure though .

However if his problems return again I will forward your suggestions to him. Now he is completely cured from such types of problem I already mentioned!

However thanks for your explanation with few messages!

 

[Michael Corleone]

Let me tell you a true story, that happened in front of me. One man in my area was an extremely ill man. He has lots of diseases. Asthma, heart problem, ENT probablem ( sinusitis), and severe inhalation allergy. He used inhalers and sometimes doctors prescribed medicines, even steroids like prednisolone. He had severe headache deep inside head and he used to take stemeteal often.

For his sinusitis he needed to take steam bath with menthol/benzine almost every day 7/8 times in winter and 3/4 times in summer. He also had coughs outside his asthma, and doctors often prescribe antibiotics.

He got lots of treatment with few good doctors from Dhaka. However doctors recommend him to wear musk finally, because of his severe inhalation allergy. In summer he was literally red in warm weather because of mask and also used to get sick again and again because of extreme hot. So mask made his life hell.

He used to wear a shirt and over it a thin sweter and over it another sweater and then a jacket in winter. I was surprised how this man is living a life, because his disease was increasing every year and he is junior to me. He actually remain sick 20/22 days in a month.

Another absurd thing is when his cough started, even in winter he started to sweat and sweet increased his cough violently, he almost and sometimes puked. Switched on the fan in winter and when his sweat gone, then his cough automatically stopped!

Finally visited a local homeopathic doctor who actually passed BHMS from Govt Homeopathic medical college.

However after 2/3 months of treatment improvement started. Later after 6 months he was half cured. And after more than one year his asthma is completely cured .

He now doesn't use this creepy mask, even use just one sweater or jacket in extreme cold.

Not only his asthma is gone, but all terrible cough tendencies gone. He does not take menthol vapours since 2 years! So I am wondering how pseudo ( as you claimed) medicine made him cure and gives him a new life?

Well I also went to the same homeopathic doctor for my tumor treatment. And my tumor is vanished without surgery! isn't wonderful man? So if it's pseudo medicine, how it can heal?
@Michael Corleone

Homeopathy has so scientific evidence and the medicines are placebos with no medicinal value. It is highly likely all the medicines he took for years cured him and not the homeopathic ones you believe that did. Antibiotics don’t cure a person in a day. My brother also suffered from similar conditions and homeopathy didn’t help. It just made it worse.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Yes, but a doctor can be right as well.

Experience is a harsh teacher but most people learn from no other.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Experience is a harsh teacher but most people learn from no other.

The main problem with today's doctor is: the new era has its own problems. Genetically modified or nutritionally defecient food is everywhere causing those problems, that humans never experienced(and many people can't even express them). Doctors traditionally, or normally, check for symptoms in the light of what they read, usually text books or online available material. Which are deficient itself. For example, copper is an essential substance for human body. And there are many such other substances which the soil is depleted now due to continued cultivation in same soil. See the symptoms of copper deficiency below:
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/copper-deficiency-symptoms#section1

Doctors don't even check for such things. Similarly, there are many many chemicals which are now part of our regular diet(historically they were not), and their effects on human body are unknown.
So by these fact, we need a different class of doctors altogether.
So yes you are right, doctors mis many things, in fact they are not trained for new times.