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DO INDIANS SUPPORT FORMATION OF TELANGANA STATE

Andhra pradesh has very fertile soil and its an asset i agree. about water crisis u need to break down issues to a micro level to get a clear picture costal region mainly krishna godavari districts benefits being down stream region. they dosent need lift irrigation projects to pump water to its feilds they can just use the water just by diverting it to canals without additional cost. in this case both telengana,rayalaseema and some some districts like nellore, ongole in costal region are at disadvantage as they are upstream. they need to depend on lift irrigation and bore wells.

lift irrigation is a costly process which burdens exchequer comparing to canal irrigation. so the govt gives priority to the downstream regions for cost effective use of limited resources. groundwater levels have plummeted due to excessive use of bore well with out using proper conservation methods like harvesting rain water building check dams and lakes which are essential for regions like telengana and rayalaseema. electricity is an issue for both lift irrigation and bore wells. as we have severe load shedding in all the regions from min of 12hrs in villages 2 to 6 hrs in the cities and towns. so pumping water to upstream canals is impossible and cost.

Farming has become hard in all three regions due various reasons like un availability of labour, raising costs of labour, lack of electricity, lack of proper information and new practices, supportive selling price. there should be an agency for the farmers which can be proactive in estimating the supply and demand for various crops for the coming season and advise them to change their cropping patterns according to market. so that there cannot be a price drop due to excess in production of a particular crop.

Downstream is fine, but the lack of Govt's focus on a disadvantaged area has been evident.. Im in no favor of a division but then if people want it what is the big deal?
 
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Not Indian myself, but if its beneficial for everyone then I dont see why someone would oppose it.

Though I dont know much history behind this so yeah...
 
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India reorganized it's states in 1956, so why can't it be done now, if people want it?



I guess, this is a decision for the citizens of their States to work on.

We just have an academic interest in it so that we can learn from such experience and apply the knowledge to our situations.
 
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India reorganized it's states in 1956, so why can't it be done now, if people want it?

1956 reorganizations were based on linguistic line, before 1956 a single linguistic group lived in many states while a single state had many linguistic groups.

These days new states demands are mostly not based on language.
 
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1956 reorganizations were based on linguistic line, before 1956 a single linguistic group lived in many states while a single state had many linguistic groups.

These days new states demands are mostly not based on language.

What are they based on then?

Isn't it like a new state gets a new High Court and Chief ministership? Which will help in alleviating people's problems. I mean, India is already short on the number of High Courts for it's large population.
 
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Do you have any idea about what you are talking? Do you mean to say that if water is given to Telangana there will be a shortage of it in Andhra? Can you provide me any material to support your claim?

ofcourse theres water shortage in the state and it has to be adjusted.why do u think thats there are power cuts in andhrapradesh??3 hrs in cities and 6 hrs in villages.even the ground water is decreasing and yet they claim that they're getting lesser share even when water is passing from telangana to andhra..resources must be adjust when they are scarce.and yes i know what im talking about..it about my state
Ground water levels plummet in Andhra Pradesh | Down To Earth
Power, water shortage to hit rabi paddy in AP - Business Line

Yes , we have demand in Pakistan for bifurcation of Punjab Province into Northern and Southern Provinces. In Southern Punjab we have Saraiki culture and these people complain about Punjabi bias against their culture and their area and they complain about too many resources being diverted by the dominant Punjabi administration to northern Punjab areas.

Some down south want Sindh to be broken up into Urban ( Karachi/Hyderabad) and Rural Sindh. Urban Sindh ( i.e. Karachi/Hyderabad area )is dominated by Urdu speakers ( however, since these urban areas are cosmopolitan in character, sizeable Pushtoon, Punjabi, Sindhi and some Balochi communities exist as well). Rural Sindh is predominatly Sindhi in character.

Sometimes, when there is a conflict of objectives and goals between various Constituent parts of a State , it makes sense to break it up in two or three parts so that each new State can further its own objectives.

Do you @neehar and @Trident think that is the situation in Andhra Pradesh ?

Do the Andhra people or Coastal Andhra People dominate Andhra Pradesh at the expense of Telangana constituency ?

yes ethnic differences is one reason here.regarding administration telangana is administered by only telangana member of legislative assemblies and they have a fair share in the cabinet ministries too..but not many chief ministers are from telangana however they gave deputy chief minister to pacify them
 
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What are they based on then?

Isn't it like a new state gets a new High Court and Chief ministership? Which will help in alleviating people's problems. I mean, India is already short on the number of High Courts for it's large population.

because different language people tend to have different cultures its a basic difference to segregate the ethnic differences so people tend to be comfortable when people of same ethnic group are together.however this must not be a sole demarcator for the creation of states

Downstream is fine, but the lack of Govt's focus on a disadvantaged area has been evident.. Im in no favor of a division but then if people want it what is the big deal?

the negligence is just a claim people in the other two areas are living in worse conditions.only telangana people that too not everybody wants sepereation andhra and rayalaseema dont want it

I guess, this is a decision for the citizens of their States to work on.

We just have an academic interest in it so that we can learn from such experience and apply the knowledge to our situations.

no formation of states is completely in the hands of parliament.if states seek seperation or alteration or if the centre seeks to form a new state then according to article 3 of indian constitution parliament asks for the conset of state legislature .center might not compulsory accept it..the voting in parliament is final
 
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Downstream is fine, but the lack of Govt's focus on a disadvantaged area has been evident.. Im in no favor of a division but then if people want it what is the big deal?
disadvantaged areas exists in all the three regions its not some thing exclusive to telegana region. previous CM CBN lost elections as he focused only on greater hyd region of telengana and neglecting all the other districts including coastal and rayalaseema. if ever there is to be a division it should be through second src and proper study not just on peoples wishes. to be frank our people are not mature to decide their own furture not just telengana its a fact all over the country. most of the voting pattern goes with caste, emotions, money, liqour and freebies. no wonder we have super duper politicians minting money in politics. politics is a gud business to invest if u have money right now.
 
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What are they based on then?

Isn't it like a new state gets a new High Court and Chief ministership? Which will help in alleviating people's problems. I mean, India is already short on the number of High Courts for it's large population.

new high court and chief ministership doesnt necessarily mean overall development. even if the state is divided people of the region get the same politicians and system. if they are incapable of doing any thing now i dont think they can offer any thing new for the people other than eradicating political unemployment.
 
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Yes , we have demand in Pakistan for bifurcation of Punjab Province into Northern and Southern Provinces. In Southern Punjab we have Saraiki culture and these people complain about Punjabi bias against their culture and their area and they complain about too many resources being diverted by the dominant Punjabi administration to northern Punjab areas.

Some down south want Sindh to be broken up into Urban ( Karachi/Hyderabad) and Rural Sindh. Urban Sindh ( i.e. Karachi/Hyderabad area )is dominated by Urdu speakers ( however, since these urban areas are cosmopolitan in character, sizeable Pushtoon, Punjabi, Sindhi and some Balochi communities exist as well). Rural Sindh is predominatly Sindhi in character.

Sometimes, when there is a conflict of objectives and goals between various Constituent parts of a State , it makes sense to break it up in two or three parts so that each new State can further its own objectives.

Do you @neehar and @Trident think that is the situation in Andhra Pradesh ?

Do the Andhra people or Coastal Andhra People dominate Andhra Pradesh at the expense of Telangana constituency ?

these links will answer most of ur queries

http://www.myteluguroots.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Refuting-An-Agitation.pdf

Telangana- 101 lies and dubious arguments | Vicky Nanjappa
 
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@neehar and @Trident, what do you think about the recent article that appeared in " The Economist " on March 30, 2013:



http://missiontelangana.com/the-economist-supports-telangana/



Breaking up Indian states
The good of small things

Creating new, smaller states should be made easier
Mar 30th 2013 | DELHI |From the print edition

TELANGANA is a territory of 35m people who make up about two-fifths of the south Indian state of Andhra Pradesh. Many of them hope one day to have a state of their own. They claim a distinct history, and complain that they miss out on resources, such as supplies of water, that go to the rest of the state.

A split should have happened long ago. For five decades protesters have sought one, with Hyderabad, one of southern India’s largest cities, as their capital. Activists say that in the past three years over 300 young people have killed themselves over Telangana, demanding political control that would benefit locals. Many set themselves on fire in public.

Politicians promise support for a new state, but then, with cynical regularity, turn away. India’s ruling Congress party talks up Telangana, at times even offering a commission on reorganising state borders. In December the home minister, Sushil Kumar Shinde, said the government would announce its position on statehood for Telangana (presumably supporting it) within a month. Nothing happened.
Expect more such unfulfilled pledges before general elections due next year. Backing Telangana makes local sense: Congress won a valuable 12 of the 17 parliamentary seats there in the last general election, in 2009. Yet the party also got 21 MPs in the rest of Andhra Pradesh, where opposition to Telangana is firm. Thus Congress tries the impossible, both backing the new state and preventing its birth. Telangana “has been cheated. No promises have been kept”, says Satish Misra of the Observer Research Foundation, a Delhi think-tank. He still expects statehood eventually.

Similar pressures grow elsewhere. Vast Uttar Pradesh (UP) should decades ago have been diced into more manageable parts. On the eve of last year’s election for the state assembly, the then chief minister, Mayawati, put forward a resolution to divide the 200m-plus population into four new states. Many locals like the idea. But Ms Mayawati’s last-minute plan was opportunistic. She lost the election.

Others propose new states. The Bodo tribal group wants a chunk of Assam, in the north-east, to keep out Muslim settlers. A part of inland West Bengal is disputed. Groups in the wealthy western state of Maharashtra want to form Vidharbha. Previous rounds of unravelling encourage them. Modern India was made from colonial territory and 500-odd princely realms. Every decade or two, notably in 1956, state borders are repatched, usually according to language or demands for cultural unity. Recent arguments are made for economic development and better governance.

The Bharatiya Janata Party, then in power, oversaw the last round, in 2000, when three states in its northern Hindi-speaking heartland were each cut in two. That proved successful, on the whole. Uttarakhand, a hilly corner chopped from UP, recorded rapid economic growth and social gains, easily outperforming UP. New tax breaks and a surge in tourism helped.

Chhattisgarh, backward but resource-rich and once a part of Madhya Pradesh, is doing much better economically than before. Its chief minister, Raman Singh, boasts of consistently high growth. He expects to win re-election this year thanks to better delivery of public food rations.

Jharkhand in eastern India has faltered after separating from Bihar. But the rump of Bihar itself has thrived, with double-digit economic growth and striking social progress since the divorce. Once a byword for backwardness, the state is doing well under a local leader.

The new states were lucky in part, because India grew fast overall. But improved administration also helped: the governments of smaller states have a stake in local success. Elsewhere, too, many of India’s 35 states and union territories are at demographic extremes. They are either monsters like UP and Maharashtra (their combined population of 320m is greater than that of the United States), or minnows with barely 1m people.

Ideally, India needs a new commission to decide how to reorganise states, for it would be a mistake to leave it to politicians always thinking about the next election. Already the states, with an average of 35m people each, look unmanageably large, on the whole. By mid-century India’s overall population is expected to be 1.6 billion. If they are to fit into better-run smaller states, then someone has to get around to forming another 20 or 30 of them.
 
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any division should go through proper channel, if they think small is good then a panel should be set up to look into the issues like demography, resources, water sharing, sustainability and cultural. it should be on the national level. hence second SRC
 
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@neehar and @Trident, what do you think about the recent article that appeared in " The Economist " on March 30, 2013:



“The Economist” supports Telangana



Breaking up Indian states
The good of small things

Creating new, smaller states should be made easier
Mar 30th 2013 | DELHI |From the print edition

TELANGANA is a territory of 35m people who make up about two-fifths of the south Indian state of Andhra Pradesh. Many of them hope one day to have a state of their own. They claim a distinct history, and complain that they miss out on resources, such as supplies of water, that go to the rest of the state.

A split should have happened long ago. For five decades protesters have sought one, with Hyderabad, one of southern India’s largest cities, as their capital. Activists say that in the past three years over 300 young people have killed themselves over Telangana, demanding political control that would benefit locals. Many set themselves on fire in public.

Politicians promise support for a new state, but then, with cynical regularity, turn away. India’s ruling Congress party talks up Telangana, at times even offering a commission on reorganising state borders. In December the home minister, Sushil Kumar Shinde, said the government would announce its position on statehood for Telangana (presumably supporting it) within a month. Nothing happened.
Expect more such unfulfilled pledges before general elections due next year. Backing Telangana makes local sense: Congress won a valuable 12 of the 17 parliamentary seats there in the last general election, in 2009. Yet the party also got 21 MPs in the rest of Andhra Pradesh, where opposition to Telangana is firm. Thus Congress tries the impossible, both backing the new state and preventing its birth. Telangana “has been cheated. No promises have been kept”, says Satish Misra of the Observer Research Foundation, a Delhi think-tank. He still expects statehood eventually.

Similar pressures grow elsewhere. Vast Uttar Pradesh (UP) should decades ago have been diced into more manageable parts. On the eve of last year’s election for the state assembly, the then chief minister, Mayawati, put forward a resolution to divide the 200m-plus population into four new states. Many locals like the idea. But Ms Mayawati’s last-minute plan was opportunistic. She lost the election.

Others propose new states. The Bodo tribal group wants a chunk of Assam, in the north-east, to keep out Muslim settlers. A part of inland West Bengal is disputed. Groups in the wealthy western state of Maharashtra want to form Vidharbha. Previous rounds of unravelling encourage them. Modern India was made from colonial territory and 500-odd princely realms. Every decade or two, notably in 1956, state borders are repatched, usually according to language or demands for cultural unity. Recent arguments are made for economic development and better governance.

The Bharatiya Janata Party, then in power, oversaw the last round, in 2000, when three states in its northern Hindi-speaking heartland were each cut in two. That proved successful, on the whole. Uttarakhand, a hilly corner chopped from UP, recorded rapid economic growth and social gains, easily outperforming UP. New tax breaks and a surge in tourism helped.

Chhattisgarh, backward but resource-rich and once a part of Madhya Pradesh, is doing much better economically than before. Its chief minister, Raman Singh, boasts of consistently high growth. He expects to win re-election this year thanks to better delivery of public food rations.

Jharkhand in eastern India has faltered after separating from Bihar. But the rump of Bihar itself has thrived, with double-digit economic growth and striking social progress since the divorce. Once a byword for backwardness, the state is doing well under a local leader.

The new states were lucky in part, because India grew fast overall. But improved administration also helped: the governments of smaller states have a stake in local success. Elsewhere, too, many of India’s 35 states and union territories are at demographic extremes. They are either monsters like UP and Maharashtra (their combined population of 320m is greater than that of the United States), or minnows with barely 1m people.

Ideally, India needs a new commission to decide how to reorganise states, for it would be a mistake to leave it to politicians always thinking about the next election. Already the states, with an average of 35m people each, look unmanageably large, on the whole. By mid-century India’s overall population is expected to be 1.6 billion. If they are to fit into better-run smaller states, then someone has to get around to forming another 20 or 30 of them.
i already told u important decisions must not be taken on political motives or emotional blackmails.pros and cons must be evaluated and all sides must be pacified to reach an amicable solution
 
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i already told u important decisions must not be taken on political motives or emotional blackmails.pros and cons must be evaluated and all sides must be pacified to reach an amicable solution




What do you see as the timeframe for this issue ?


Having being turned into a political football, do you believe the only time this issue will surface and possibly resolved is right before an Election period ?
 
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