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Concievable roles of Tactical/Non strategic Nuclear Weapons

Bunker buster or earth penetration weapons

The logic behind tactical nuclear weapons is that low-yield earth penetrating nuclear weapon would "limit collateral damage" and therefore be relatively safe to use.

while the fact is that is that B61 mod 11 introduced by United states in 1997 only penetrates the earth about only 20 feet or so into dry earth when dropped from an altitude of 40,000 feet from a B2 Spirit. B 61 mod 11's yeid varies from 10kt [can be lower] to 300kt[1]Is 20 feet enough to contain a nuclear detonation of the most trivial yeids? NO

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Underground nuclear tests must be buried at large depths and carefully sealed in order to fully contain the explosion. Shallower bursts produce large craters and intense local fallout. The situation shown here is for an explosion with a 1 KT yield and the depths shown are in feet. Even a 0.1 KT burst must be buried at a depth of approximately 230 feet to be fully contained. (Adapted from Terry Wallace, with permission.) [2]

This video explains why EPWs are impractical



Robert W. Nelson, at Princeton University, states that:


"A one kiloton earth-penetrating 'mininuke' used in a typical third-world urban environment would spread a lethal dose of radioactive fallout over several square kilometers, resulting in tens of thousands of civilian fatalities."

He adds that:
earth-penetrating weapons "cannot penetrate deeply enough to contain the nuclear explosion and will necessarily produce an especially intense and deadly radioactive fallout." [3]

This makes EPW impractical as it raises ethical and diplomatic issues.

In its July 1996 advisory opinion, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) formally concluded that "the threat or use of nuclear weapons would generally be contrary to the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict." In its analysis, the ICJ stated that "the use of such weapons [low yeild Earth-penetrating Nuclear weapons] in fact seems scarcely reconcilable with respect for … requirements" of humanitarian law including that prohibiting methods and means of warfare "which would preclude any distinction between civilian and military targets." [4]
Tactical nuclear weapons in the battlefield

simulation: 2kt airburst at the altitude of 230m

The idea of a tactical nuclear war is impractical if the theatre is Populated; irrigated areas as the resulting fallout and collateral damage will make it indistinguishable from a strategic nuclear war to the local population.

As NATO found out during the wargames of 1956 ; Operation Carte Blanche which simulated The future conflict with the Warsaw Pact army involving tactical nuclear The simulation predicted 5 to 6 Million civilian casualties [5] and 355 nuclear detonations [6]

Tactical nuclear weapons can be used in desert/ wasteland which has little or no population without the fear of collateral damage. for example a 2kt of TNT detonation at the height of 230m will produce negligible local fallout but maximising Airblast radius, and an area of 0.39km sq comes under 20 psi range 20 PSI is enough to demolish heavily built concrete buildings and fatalities approach 100% [7]

The number of missiles which can be generated by the blast winds depends to some extent upon the environment. Certain terrain, such as desert, is particularly susceptible to missile forming effects of winds. [8]

A nuclear air burst can cause considerable blast damage; however thermal radiation can result in serious additional damage by igniting combustible material.[9]

The thermal radiation enough to cause 3rd degree burns covers an area of 1.93km sq in case of the detonation under discussion.

500 rem Ionization radiation dosage delivered uniformly to the whole body may cause death while a dose of 500 rem delivered to the skin will only cause hair loss and skin reddening.

and in this detonation it will cover an area of 2.64 km sq

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Effect of Nuclear blast on vehicles
Heavily armoured vehicles and Modern MBTs are resisitant towards blast effects like airblast , thermal radiation and Ionization radiation although 30PSI is enough to destroy all types of vehicles vehicles
,The overpressure may overturn many Armoured vehicles and destroy the Sights and sensors mounted on the tank or armoured vehicles.
Effect of over pressure on some vehicles:


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Do nuclear weapons have any concievable battlefield use?
Refrences:
[1] http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Weapons/B61.html
[2http://Federation of American Scientists :: FAS Public Interest Report - Low-Yield Earth-Penetrating Nuclear Weapons
[3]Center for Nonproliferation Studies
[4]LCNP.org - World Court Project
[5]Lakeland Ledger - Sep 17, 1983 pg 55 No carte blanch for nukes ; Tom wicker
[6]Tactical nuclear weapons: The Debate within NATO by Brain Burton
[7]Explosions and Refuge Chambers by R. Karl Zipf, Jr., Ph.D., ; P.E. Kenneth L. Cashdollar page 1
[8] NATO HANDBOOK ON THE MEDICAL ASPECTS OF NBC DEFENSIVE OPERATIONS AMedP6(B) CH# 4 BIOLOGICAL EFFECTS OF A NUCLEAR EXPLOSION SECTION I .404.
[9]http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/www/effects/eonw_7.pdf THERMAL RADIATION AND ITS EFFECTS pg 1 para 7.02
[10]Open Source Radiation Safety Training Module 3: Biological Effects Princeton university


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@Alpha1 it will take time to read.. i bookmarked the page, will check later, good informative post :-)
 
That is one very very good post,just taking a glimpse for now.Will read and comment further after i watch the video and read in detail the links posted.Looks like ur making good on ur promotion already.:cheers:
 
Do nuclear weapons have any concievable battlefield use?
In my opinion nuclear weapons are not meant for conventional use. Those are meant for mass destruction and thus the fiasco of WMD.

This weapon appears to be very effective for long term runway neutralisation but as a consequence will neutralise complete operating base. One shot enough for each FOB and the war is won :)
 
In my opinion nuclear weapons are not meant for conventional use. Those are meant for mass destruction and thus the fiasco of WMD.
I am of the opinion that as there are ways to minimize long term effects of Nuclear weapons , they ''can'' have limited use as
the simulation i did for the article is for a nuclear detonation of 2kt of TnT yeild at the height of 230m which reduced the local fallout to negligble levels but maximised Blast radii.
the explosion is just like MOAB x 200 plus lethal Ionization radiation
 
I am of the opinion that as there are ways to minimize long term effects of Nuclear weapons , they ''can'' have limited use as
the simulation i did for the article is for a nuclear detonation of 2kt of TnT yeild at the height of 230m which reduced the local fallout to negligble levels but maximised Blast radii.
the explosion is just like MOAB x 200 plus lethal Ionization radiation

Please read the types of fissile byproducts, their halflives and biodistributions released by nuclear weapons, before talking about trying to minimize ways to reduce their impact.
 
Please read the types of fissile byproducts, their halflives and biodistributions released by nuclear weapons, before talking about trying to minimize ways to reduce their impact.
I was talking about local fallout. which is reduced to a great extent if the detonation is in the air
 
I was talking about local fallout. which is reduced to a great extent if the detonation is in the air

Local vs distant effects based on distance from Ground Zero and the type of detonation are a very different area of study compared to short term and long term effects based on time after detonation.
 
Hi,

The more time spent talking about tactical nucs and other manners of delivery---the better it is---because the resultant decision would be---that any kind of nuc strike would start spinning those wheels in motion that will not be contained after the fact.

Bottomline is that one nuc strike is one strike too many. Smart bombs and bunker busters are the way to go. Tactical nucs are the begining of the end game.

One nuc strike would shake up the world's economy---second strike would crash the world markets----.
 
Hi,

The more time spent talking about tactical nucs and other manners of delivery---the better it is---because the resultant decision would be---that any kind of nuc strike would start spinning those wheels in motion that will not be contained after the fact.

Bottomline is that one nuc strike is one strike too many. Smart bombs and bunker busters are the way to go. Tactical nucs are the begining of the end game.

One nuc strike would shake up the world's economy---second strike would crash the world markets----.
Very rightly said. It will have more to do with psychological consequences rather then physical. Nevertheless, it will culminate into catastrophic physical one too. On the other hand theoretically use of tac nukes may show a effects in contained environmnet of 2km, yet it will have effects beyond that. Idea of a raid during conventional war is to neutralise weapon which can be used by the enemy, create hindrances in enemy operation and to incapacitate the fighting force. Anything beyond this would fall under the ambit of WMD.
 
I was talking about local fallout. which is reduced to a great extent if the detonation is in the air

One needs to worry about a lot of other fallouts besides local fallout - especially when intending to use it against a nuclear state.
 

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