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Did King Solomon Trade with India?

Despite boasting massive size and a population primed to be the biggest on planet earth. Genetic research has showed India to have a poorer genetic diversity than neighbouring nation states of central Asia.

A massive extinction took place in the region some 12000 years ago.
Infact the occupied islands in the Pacific boast more genetic diversity than India.

Lies and propaganda have managed this mob to masquerade as a Nation embodying piracy and perversion of history as social engineering and exploitation as practice of the State.
 

Difficult to say whether he belongs to Indian or Pakistani Punjab.

The halting of Iskander does seem to have occurred in Pakistani territory.

The jury is still out on Porus' precise origins it would seem.

That's the nature of history, many things are lost in time, but we do know that the major recorded battle with Alexander was fought around the river Jhelum, that's deep inside Pakistan, and after Sialkot, he went South towards Multan, and onwards to the coastline, modern day Karachi, but I might be mistaken, but he did go along the Makran coastline, so Karachi route makes sense.

Because, otherwise he would have had to go South-west from Dadu towards Lesbela and Sonmiani, and that's a difficult and water scares route, so towards Karachi or Thatta is the natural water line and from there his army travelled by foot, and boat towards Iran. And, whether origin of Porus possibly was from East Punjab is not relevant, because he was son of Punjab and nearly 3/4 Punjabis are Pakistani, Pakistan Punjab is the heart of historical Punjabi culture, so it is natural to assume he would have been from Pakistani Punjab. Even during the Sikh era, Ranjit Singh was born in Gujranwala.

It is simply a matter of how you claim your history, geography is paramount, yes, but other factors also come into play, in every shape or form. Every major Pakistani ethnic group has a majority in modern day Pakistan, and the historical centre of that group is in modern day Pakistan, with only two exceptions.

Most Pathans in this world are Pakistani, and the city with the most Pathans in the world is Karachi, but the historical centre of Pathan culture is mostly in Afghanistan. So, we still have a strong claim to that history, because the bulk of the population to which Pathan ethnic history belongs are Pakistani. The other group is Kashmiri, although Azad Kashmir has smaller population, but there is a large Kashmiri refugee population in rest of Pakistan, most from the Jammu region, so there is also a strong claim to Kashmiri history, largely on the basis of numbers. Sindh region is fully in Pakistan, and Balochistan again is the historical centre of Balochi groups and most Balochis are Pakistani.

So, for the reasons above, especially when there are gray areas, in history, the claim that Porus was ethnically linked to the soil of Pakistan is a very strong claim indeed, it is just a case of, do we want to feel shy about making that claim, or, claim him boldly as ours. Further supporting argument is that, in that period, most kingdoms were smaller in size, further reducing the possible origins of Porus to be very much Punjab centric.
 
Did King Solomon Trade with India?
On the possible whereabouts of Ophir and Tarshish, and how to get there by ship from Palestine.

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A 1904 map showing southwest Asia. Wikipedia.

Although one generally writes biographies of people, not of languages, the Iowa-born Hebrew University professor David Shulman chose to call his recently published book on the Tamil language Tamil: A Biography. Shulman, a world-renowned scholar of the Dravidian language family of southern India to which Tamil belongs, did so, as he says in the book’s preface, because “Everywhere one looks at language, at every point we touch it, we see movement, aliveness, and singular forms of self-expression.” Tamil: A Biography is the rare work by a professional linguist that is about a language’s personality, not just its formal mechanisms. Shulman is a lover of Tamil, and like a lover he expects us to be as fascinated by every aspect of his beloved as he is. But if one can manage to wade through a superabundance of detail (does one really have to know every shade of lipstick and shape of hairpin ever worn by a woman loved by an author?), there is much that is fascinating in what he has written.

One of the minor details about Tamil that caught my attention in Shulman’s book is the claim that it contributed at least one word to the Hebrew Bible. This is tukiyim, “peacocks,” which occurs in the first book of Kings. In Chapters 9 and 10 of 1Kings we read of an ambitious maritime enterprise conducted by King Solomon in partnership with Hiram, the Phoenician king of Tyre. In 9:26 we are told (as usual, I quote from the King James Version):

And King Solomon made a navy of ships in Etsyon-Gever, which is beside Eloth on the shore of the Red Sea. . . . And Hiram sent in the navy his servants, shipmen that had knowledge of the sea, with the servants of Solomon.

Verse 10:11 then relates:

And the navy of Hiram, which brought gold from Ophir, brought in from Ophir a great plenty of almug trees and precious stones.

And in 10:22 we read:

For the king [Solomon] had at sea a navy of Tharshish with the navy of Hiram. Once in three years came the navy of Tharshish, bringing gold, and silver, ivory, and apes, and peacocks.

Parts of this are clear enough. Solomon, then in a process of imperial expansion, needed Hiram’s help for a Red Sea fleet because the Phoenicians were master sailors whereas the Israelites of the hill country of Palestine were landlubbers; and Eloth, near which Solomon built his port of Etsyon-Gever, was, like the Israeli city of Eilat that bears its name, at the head of the Gulf of Aqaba at the Red Sea’s northern tip.


Other things are less clear. What are “almug trees”? Where was Ophir? Was Tharshish (or Tarshish, as it is more often spelled in English) a place, too, or was it a type of ship? And what does the Bible mean by “the navy of Tarshish” coming “once in three years”? To where and from where did it come, and why at such intervals?

Were Ophir, and perhaps Tarshish, ports in India? Shulman, following in the path of 19th-century scholars before him, identifies three Indian loan words in 1Kings. Two he traces to Sanskrit, the Indo-European language of northern India that is historically unrelated to Dravidian tongues like Tamil, though the two families greatly influenced each other. The biblical word for ivory, shenhav,he observes, is most likely a compound of Hebrew shen, tooth, and Sanskrit ibha, elephant, while Hebrew kofim, apes or monkeys, “certainly derived from Sanskrit kapi.”

As for tuki (the singular of tukiyim), it, according to Shulman, was “taken from Tamil tokai, the male peacock’s tail.” One can easily imagine, he writes, “ancient Israelite mariners pointing to the [peacock’s] splendid tail feathers and asking their Tamil-speaking colleagues what name it had.” The Tamil speakers would have taken the question to refer to the tail alone; their Hebrew-speaking questioners would have understood their answer to refer to the entire bird.

All of this depends,of course, on the assumption that Ophir or Tarshish, or both, were locations in either India or along the south Arabian coast, the latter of whose ports traded extensively with India and at one of which Israelite sailors might have met their Tamil or Sanskrit-speaking counterparts. (The book of Genesis, in its genealogical account of the races of man, connects an ancestral Ophir with southern Arabia.)

And yet, while the possible whereabouts of Ophir and Tarshish have been much debated, no theory has been conclusive. Some discussants have placed them on the east coast of Africa, where gold, silver, ivory, monkeys, and peacocks could also have been acquired. In that case, one would have to search for the etymons of shenhav, kofim, and tukiyim in the languages of that area—and for the etymon of the almug of “almug trees,” too, which has been somewhat dubiously linked by scholars to Sanskrit valduka, the sandalwood tree.

We seem to be trapped, indeed, in a form of circular reasoning. On the one hand, a number of biblical words are said to have originated in India because Solomon’s sailors reached it or the route to it. On the other hand, Solomon’s sailors are said to have reached India or the route to it because a number of Indian words occur in the Bible!

Is there a way out of this loop? If there is, it is connected to the “once in three years” (aḥat l’shalosh shanim) of 1Kings 10:22. Although nothing I’ve read on the subject treats of this phrase (it’s quite possible that I’m ignorant of scholarship that does), it seems reasonable to assume that it refers to a period of time in which Solomon’s ships regularly departed from Etsyon-Gever and returned to it. Where could they have been in this period?

We know that a half-year shipping cycle existed in ancient and medieval times between south Arabian ports and the west coast of India. Ships would set sail across the roughly 1,200 miles of the Indian Ocean separating the two land masses in spring, when the first, mild southwesterly monsoon winds began to blow toward the Indian coast, and return in autumn, when the prevailing winds began to blow in the opposite direction. The preferred sailing seasons were April-May and October-November, before or after the summer’s dangerously stormy monsoon months and the high seas of winter.

But what could have taken Solomon’s ships three years? Had they simply sailed down the Red Sea from Etsyon-Gever to the south Arabian coast and back, they could have done it in a half-year: embarking in April-May, before the summer northerlies in the Red Sea’s northern half and the summer southerlies in its southern half grew too strong, and heading back in October-November when there was once again an interim of weaker winds. An additional voyage from southern Arabia down the coast of East Africa and back might have been completed in another half-year—southward with the northeasterly trade winds that blow in that region from December to mid-March and northward with the southerlies that blow from April to mid-September. All in all, the ships could have been back in Etsyon-Gever in a year-and-a-half.

Suppose, though,that Solomon’s ships had continued from the south Arabian coast to India. In that case, their itinerary might have looked like this:

April-May of Year 1: from Etsyon-Gever to the south Arabian coast. There, while unloading and taking on cargo, the ships would have waited an entire year to let the squallish summer monsoons and the autumn and winter northeasterlies pass.

April-May of Year 2: from south Arabian coast to the west coast of India. At this point there would have been a half-year’s wait while gold, silver, ivory, precious stones, monkeys, peacocks, and a large quantity of almug trees were being stowed aboard.

October-November of Year 2: from west coast of India back to south Arabian coast, in whose ports the winter would be waited out.

April-May of Year 3: from south Arabian coast back to Etsyon-Gever.

The round trip would thus have taken two full years. Why then does the Bible say that Solomon’s fleet returned “once every three years?” Because, I would propose, this means “every third year,” that is, every spring of Year 3. If that is so, it is indeed likely that an Israelite sailor pointed to a peacock’s tail in a Tamil-speaking Indian port, was told that it was a tokai, and brought the misunderstood word back with him as a gift for Hebrew.

That the word was misunderstood again in the early 19th century by the Haskalah writer Shimshon Bloch in his influential geographical work Shviley Olam, “Paths of the World”—where it was taken to mean “parrot,” which is consequently what it means today in modern Hebrew—this, as they say, is another story.

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PHILOLOGOS
AUG. 24 2017
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Poora Pakistan keh betha hai we won't recognise İsrael. Phir bhi tum jeson ne PDF par 1.5 inch ki masjid bnai hui hai. Take your Talmud, Zohar, elsewhere.
 
Despite boasting massive size and a population primed to be the biggest on planet earth. Genetic research has showed India to have a poorer genetic diversity than neighbouring nation states of central Asia.

A massive extinction took place in the region some 12000 years ago.

they probably killed themself
 
DID JESUS live in India?? There have been a few suggestions that he did live in India. I am sure someone will come up with Jesus living in UK? Believe it or not, there are people who think that Jesus lived in UK as well!!! I am not joking. So the question is Where will these idiotic theories stop??
 
throughout the history when people migrate from one region to other they usually mix with locals and produce a new brand of human. What amazes me is that India was invaded 100 of times in last 1000 years but Local Indians are still a pure gene, ugly, weak, verbally depressed and socially backward. what researchers need to do is to find the reason why no invader/migrant ever found local Indian woman attractive enough to reproduce.
Very simple reason, Indians were proud due to a strong sense of civilizational identity and chose resistance or death like any other human, hence Indian women were never were for the offering

Unlike ancient Land of Pure residents, where the concept of identity, self-respect was non-existent.
Any invader with a sword on horseback was immediately considered a deity and worshipped and its women thrown as sacrificial offering (similar to primitive tribal culture where they would dump people in volcanoes as offering)
The men relished in these rituals and these eventually evolved into role-play where they would attempt to ape their invaders
This role-play culture is why we have Syedi, Turkic ,Greek and invader missed ancestry claimants here today
And thats how we end up have a nation which worshipped Khalid-bin-waleed yesterday, Ertugul today and Xi jingping tomorrow . Also having strategic weapons and Mijjiles named after Ghoonzi, Abduli and Boobor
 
Very simple reason, Indians were proud due to a strong sense of civilizational identity and chose resistance or death like any other human, hence Indian women were never were for the offering

Unlike ancient Land of Pure residents, where the concept of identity, self-respect was non-existent.
Any invader with a sword on horseback was immediately considered a deity and worshipped and its women thrown as sacrificial offering (similar to primitive tribal culture where they would dump people in volcanoes as offering)
The men relished in these rituals and these eventually evolved into role-play where they would attempt to ape their invaders
This role-play culture is why we have Syedi, Turkic ,Greek and invader missed ancestry claimants here today
And thats how we end up have a nation which worshipped Khalid-bin-waleed yesterday, Ertugul today and Xi jingping tomorrow . Also having strategic weapons and Mijjiles named after Ghoonzi, Abduli and Boobor

Hahaha
somethings are said with words and somethings are known but unspoken
 
Very simple reason, Indians were proud due to a strong sense of civilizational identity and chose resistance or death like any other human, hence Indian women were never were for the offering

Unlike ancient Land of Pure residents, where the concept of identity, self-respect was non-existent.
Any invader with a sword on horseback was immediately considered a deity and worshipped and its women thrown as sacrificial offering (similar to primitive tribal culture where they would dump people in volcanoes as offering)
The men relished in these rituals and these eventually evolved into role-play where they would attempt to ape their invaders
This role-play culture is why we have Syedi, Turkic ,Greek and invader missed ancestry claimants here today
And thats how we end up have a nation which worshipped Khalid-bin-waleed yesterday, Ertugul today and Xi jingping tomorrow . Also having strategic weapons and Mijjiles named after Ghoonzi, Abduli and Boobor

fail to understand why ghoooooooooozi is any different from morotho invasion of different non morotho parts of india,

If you are trying to bring yindu chauvinism, that wont work mate, All Yindu history is based on mythical mahabharata and ramayana,

why no indian missile named after tipu sultan who pioneered rocket tech in the first place?

regards
 

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