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Published April 13, 2016
SOURCE: PTI

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India and the US today identified two new “pathfinder” projects under the Defence Trade and Technology Initiative (DTTI) for the joint production of a helmet-mounted digital display and a biological tactical detection system.

The Americans also formally pitched two proposals for the manufacture of fighter jets under the ‘Make in India’ initiative. Visiting US Defence Secretary Ashton Carter and his Indian counterpart Manohar Parrikar also welcomed the finalisation of four government-to-government project agreements in the area of science and technology cooperation — Atmospheric Sciences for High Energy Lasers, Cognitive Tools for Target Detection, Small Intelligent Unmanned Aerial Systems, and Blast and Blunt Traumatic Brain Injury.

Following the delegation-level talks here, the two sides also agreed to commence navy-to-navy discussions on submarine safety and anti-submarine warfare.

They also agreed to launch a bilateral Maritime Security Dialogue, to be co-chaired by officials at the joint secretary /assistant secretary-level of the Indian ministries of defence and external affairs and the US departments of defence and state.

India and the US had initially agreed on four “pathfinder projects” under DTTI — next generation Raven Minis UAVs, roll on and roll off kits for C-130, mobile electric hybrid power source and Uniform Integrated Protection Ensemble Increment-2.

Under the new initiative, the key project will be helmet- mounted digital display for fighter aircraft and helicopters.

The Americans have also pushed for joint production of fighter aircraft by Lockheed Martin and Boeing.

However, it was not clear if the the pre-bid guarantee sought by India, required for the transfer of technology, has been given or not.

The two countries are also exploring aircraft carrier technology besides the design and development of jet engine technology.

Noting that India wants to move to a flat-deck design for its aircraft carriers, Carter said the US is “more than willing” to share its catapult technology for launching fighter jets off carriers.

According to American defence officials, if India begins using the catapult technology, then there could be opportunities for the country to buy US-made FA-18 fighter jets or other aircraft that use the launching system.
 
Published April 13, 2016
SOURCE: PTI

india-us-ink-new-defence-framework-accord.jpg


India and the US today identified two new “pathfinder” projects under the Defence Trade and Technology Initiative (DTTI) for the joint production of a helmet-mounted digital display and a biological tactical detection system.

The Americans also formally pitched two proposals for the manufacture of fighter jets under the ‘Make in India’ initiative. Visiting US Defence Secretary Ashton Carter and his Indian counterpart Manohar Parrikar also welcomed the finalisation of four government-to-government project agreements in the area of science and technology cooperation — Atmospheric Sciences for High Energy Lasers, Cognitive Tools for Target Detection, Small Intelligent Unmanned Aerial Systems, and Blast and Blunt Traumatic Brain Injury.

Following the delegation-level talks here, the two sides also agreed to commence navy-to-navy discussions on submarine safety and anti-submarine warfare.

They also agreed to launch a bilateral Maritime Security Dialogue, to be co-chaired by officials at the joint secretary /assistant secretary-level of the Indian ministries of defence and external affairs and the US departments of defence and state.

India and the US had initially agreed on four “pathfinder projects” under DTTI — next generation Raven Minis UAVs, roll on and roll off kits for C-130, mobile electric hybrid power source and Uniform Integrated Protection Ensemble Increment-2.

Under the new initiative, the key project will be helmet- mounted digital display for fighter aircraft and helicopters.

The Americans have also pushed for joint production of fighter aircraft by Lockheed Martin and Boeing.

However, it was not clear if the the pre-bid guarantee sought by India, required for the transfer of technology, has been given or not.

The two countries are also exploring aircraft carrier technology besides the design and development of jet engine technology.

Noting that India wants to move to a flat-deck design for its aircraft carriers, Carter said the US is “more than willing” to share its catapult technology for launching fighter jets off carriers.

According to American defence officials, if India begins using the catapult technology, then there could be opportunities for the country to buy US-made FA-18 fighter jets or other aircraft that use the launching system.
What is a pathfinder project?
 
The headlines for Indo-US engagement are "nuclear reactor sales", "F-18/16 made in India", "EMALS ToT" and then the reality is this:

India and the US had initially agreed on four “pathfinder projects” under DTTI — next generation Raven Minis UAVs, roll on and roll off kits for C-130, mobile electric hybrid power source and Uniform Integrated Protection Ensemble Increment-2.
Small fry doesn't even begin to cover it, is either side actually taking this seriously anymore?

@Desertfalcon @PARIKRAMA @Stephen Cohen
 
It would be coup if we use Emals technology with Rafale M planes :D

But again we can also try Emals froms the French.
 
The headlines for Indo-US engagement are "nuclear reactor sales", "F-18/16 made in India", "EMALS ToT" and then the reality is this:


Small fry doesn't even begin to cover it, is either side actually taking this seriously anymore?

@Desertfalcon @PARIKRAMA @Stephen Cohen
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Under the new initiative, the key project will be helmet- mounted digital display for fighter aircraft and helicopters.

The Americans have also pushed for joint production of fighter aircraft by Lockheed Martin and Boeing.
 
The headlines for Indo-US engagement are "nuclear reactor sales", "F-18/16 made in India", "EMALS ToT" and then the reality is this:


Small fry doesn't even begin to cover it, is either side actually taking this seriously anymore?

@Desertfalcon @PARIKRAMA @Stephen Cohen


Nuke reactor sales, F-16/F-18 and Emals TOT is coming bro. Just wait and see.



The other stuff are good stuff also....
 
It would be coup if we use Emals technology with Rafale M planes :D

But again we can also try Emals froms the French.
The French don't have EMALS tech, no one outside of the US has such a system in advanced stages of devlopment and even they are struggling with it.

They Mentioned it in Next Line
Under the new initiative, the key project will be helmet- mounted digital display for fighter aircraft and helicopters.
Still pretty small fry, nothing groundbreaking and considering the progress of these other deals (UAVs, RO-RO modules etc) thus far I don't expect much.

The Americans have also pushed for joint production of fighter aircraft by Lockheed Martin and Boeing.
Nope, the Americans have pitched to build American fighters in India but there wouldn't be anything "joint" about it- they want to have 100% ownership of the production units in India (entirely in the face of the GoI's Make in India policy and the DPP).

Off course by 2025...
India can't wait that long.
 
Off course by 2025...


You are free to think whatever you wish. If you feel so strongly blame those who have been voting CONgress to power decades. Now to hear folks complaining of the length of time it takes to get things done, I ask you where were the complaints when CONgress was in power since Independence?
 
the real coup will be PAK FA ( naval ) flying on AC Carrier with American EMAL ~!

Let the PaKFA land version get over first buddy. I have an uncanny feeling PAKFA naval version will never see the light of the day.
 
the real coup will be PAK FA ( naval ) flying on AC Carrier with American EMAL ~!
It's never going to happen
1) There is no plan for a naval variant
2) Even if there was, Russia has no real expereince in developing CATOBAR configured fighters, let alone being launched from EMALS
3) The IN has no interest in heavyweight large fighters like the FGFA/PAK-FA for their carriers. For their medium size carriers they want medium size fighters (this is why they opted for the MiG-29K over the Su-33) and even the US has replaced all large fighters for the medium sized Hornet.
 
It's never going to happen
1) There is no plan for a naval variant
2) Even if there was, Russia has no real expereince in developing CATOBAR configured fighters, let alone being launched from EMALS
3) The IN has no interest in heavyweight large fighters like the FGFA/PAK-FA for their carriers. For their medium size carriers they want medium size fighters (this is why they opted for the MiG-29K over the Su-33) and even the US has replaced all large fighters for the medium sized Hornet.

The reason for India going for MIG-29K, was the IN realises, that there is still large flaws with the Su-33, that's why Russians are struggling, and Russia is no more Soviet with mamoth Defence budget. MIG-29 K was the safe bet, and they did close the safer option.

Both SU-33, and J-15 (Which is the reverse engineered copy of Su-33) is underpower, and could only takeoff from the carrier with A2A weapon load only.
 
The reason for India going for MIG-29K, was the IN realises, that there is still large flaws with the Su-33, that's why Russians are struggling, and Russia is no more Soviet with mamoth Defence budget. MIG-29 K was the safe bet, and they did close the safer option.

Both SU-33, and J-15 (Which is the reverse engineered copy of Su-33) is underpower, and could only takeoff from the carrier with A2A weapon load only.
This is true but is didn't really dictate the IN's choice, it may have made it easier but then remember the IN also had to fund the MiG-29K development because that hadn't actually been completed so they were quite clear on what they wanted.

A heavy fighter like the Su-33 on a medium size carrier is a recipe for disaster, history tells us that and the IN with its oodles of carrier experience knows that too. Not only is is safer to operate medium fighters from carriers but you can also carry more of them.
 

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