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Dec 16 & Muslim nationalism | DAWN.COM

WE mark this day in 2012 with inconsolable sadness. Even the new dawn brings the melancholia of twilight. Will a brief reflection on Muslim nationalism in South Asia lessen the gloom? Perhaps Aug 14, 1947, actually marked the birth of un-identical twins pretending to be a single nation-state. This is not to subscribe to the cynical view about the country’s birth expressed at its very advent to the effect that the new entity was doomed to fail, sooner rather than later. This is to speculate as to whether the only nation-state to be created with two parts separated by 1,000 miles of hostile territory represented, from the very start, two variable expressions of Muslim nationalism in South Asia. One strand in West Pakistan represented a Muslim nationalism claiming to comprise a wide diversity of ethnic, linguistic, tribal, regional and political identities. Some of them freely chose to join the new arrangement. Some of them were absorbed by gentle as well as coercive persuasion. Another strand, as in East Pakistan, represented a Muslim nationalism further reinforced by being simultaneously rooted in a strong, singular ethnic, linguistic Bengali identity. The un-identical twins coexisted politically under a shared name for 24 uneasy years. On Dec 16, 1971, the people of East Pakistan rejected the concept, practice and even the name of an inequitable, discriminatory, overly centralised state structure super-imposed by force. They did not reject their fundamental Muslim identity while being more truly Muslim and secular in their pluralist respect for a large non-Muslim, Hindu part of their population. In the former western wing, the struggle to come to terms with religion as a corner-stone of nationalism has become far more violent and destructive than in the former eastern wing. But in both the two former wings, for Muslims in particular, being Muslim and separate from India remains as important as being Pakistani and Bangladeshi. For those who assail the two-nation theory and say that it perished in 1971, there is an inconvenient truth to consider. Despite the break with West Pakistan, the old East Bengal (now Bangladesh) does not wish to be reunited with the old West Bengal in India. Neither does the old West Punjab (now Punjab in Pakistan) wish to be reunited with East Punjab in India. To the extent that religion is often one of the potent factors that shapes national or sub-national identity, even the Muslims of India — despite their own rich diversity of ethnicities, languages and cultures — are a distinct nation that prefers to live in a predominantly Hindu India which officially describes itself as a secular state. Thus, on Dec 16, 1971, the two- nation, two-state theory simply, though tragically and violently became a two-nation, three-state theory. Unlike historical nationalisms like the Han-Chinese or the Arab-Egyptian or the Persian-Iranian nationalisms which have grown over several centuries, the full-fledged Muslim nationalisms of Bangladesh and Pakistan and the Muslim sub- nationalism within India are comparatively young processes of identity formation, well less than a century old. Over the decades and centuries ahead they are likely to mature and change in a more rational direction: to become more inclusive and respectful of other religions and internal sects. Pakistani Muslim nationalism will hopefully benefit by learning from the more balanced and secular orientations of Bangladeshi Muslim nationalism and Indian Muslim sub- nationalism particularly to prevent extremists in parts of both society and state from controlling the direction. Far from the two-nation theory going up in smoke on Dec 16, 1971, it has deepened and strengthened its roots in the soil and the soul of South Asia. The writer is a former senator and federal minister and author of Pakistan: Unique Origins; Unique Destiny?
 
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I am Muslim, I am Nationalist therefore I am a Muslim Nationalist and Bangladeshi. Bangladesh is a product of a civil war resulting from power imbalance between the east and west. There is no reason to look back. From a devastated nation starting absolutely from zero we have raised ourselves up. I have no doubt BD today developmentwise is far ahead than we would have been if the federation survived, so I have no particular fondness for Pakistan. Militarily we would have been dangerously exposed where the Afgan wars of the 80's would have entrenched the idiocy of east defense is in the west fallacy further and we would probably be under daily drone attack.

Bangladesh was the best outcome for us, it enabled us to Marshall our economy and people for national development. Sovereignty enabled us to develop independent foreign policies and make strategic alliances that best served us.

Pakistan would not and could not serve our interest as our priorities clashed. That does not in anyway change the fact that Bangladesh is a nationalistic Muslim nation.

The east and the west had separate destinies.... The divorce should have been more amicable. The two wings where feasible should
Cooperate closely as in many areas they share common perspective and interest.
 
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After those many encounters, that easy intimacy, . we are strangers now –

After how many meetings will we be that close again? When will we again see a spring of unstained green?

After how many monsoons will the blood be washed . from the branches? So relentless was the end of love, so heartless –

After the nights of tenderness, the dawns were pitiless, . so pitiless. And so crushed was the heart that though it wished . it found no chance –

after the entreaties, after the despair — for us to . quarrel once again as old friends.

Faiz, what you’d gone to say, ready to offer everything, . even your life – those healing words remained unspoken after all else had . been said.
 
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Zaid Hamid Gem today

Instead of demanding an apology from #Pakistan, # Bangladesh should apologize for breaking madina-e-sani with covert help of #Hindu # India.
 
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we cannot predict rightly what would our economic prosperity would be if we were not totally separated from Pakistan. what would be if we are now with Pakistan with greater autonomy based on 6 point demand of bangabandhu . but what sad me we could be a influential Muslim country of 300 million population and 400 billion dollar economy (Pakistan 254 billion bangladesh 136 billion ) and a standing arm forces of 1 million+ equip with nuclear weapons missile etc .
 
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The six point plan would have been scrapped as soon as the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. Our resources would have been further diverted for the defense of the west. There would not been any birth of NGO lead development in BD. There would be no RMG sector, no development what so ever. The Six point plan could only work if the two wings were democratically lead. You need to see what happened post independence from the Brits. The economy of BD contracted. Pakistan can not be held responsible as partition severed lines of commerce. However if analyse developments in the 60s you will only development was in the west.

Under the federation BD would not have a 136bn economy that is absolutely guaranteed. As to whether Pakistan would have mattered globally I conceed you can argue that point. From my perspective is the average Bangladeshi better off economically, secure militarily, connected globally, better educated, free to practise religion and culture under Bangladesh? The answer is a resounding yes.

Harking back to whatifs is pointless. We should move forward and Pakistan and Bangladesh should cooperate and support each others endeavours where common interest rises. I for one am willing to give up bragging rights of being a big country as long as my people are well fed, has good health care and education, has freedom of religion, politics and speech and generally has a future.
 
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i call myself a muslim nationalist and the article perfectly suits me and my identity! Bangladesh will always keep its typical Bengali Muslim image intact! This article rightly highlighted the part that there is a clear distinction between Pashimbanga and Bangladesh. Two nation theory never failed, it was created by Bengalis and is still alive in Bengali Muslim heart. Its infact Two nation three state theory in practise today as mentioned in the article which is a realistic one, rather than a country separated by a hostile territory! No Bangladeshi wants to unite with pakistan but Artificial Animosity kept alive in our heart for pakistan by a group for cheap political score should be removed as both countries can be benefited from each other as members of D8! The anti pakistan group should note that sheikh Mujib was the first Bangladeshi who hugged Pakistanis as he knew the Importance of Pakistan. Strong partnership between Pak Bd will make India nervous and it will add a pillar to our defence!
 
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1. This is a Pakistani forum, where Pakistanis have - with all credit to them and thanks to Webmaster who is different to many of the Bangladesh-hating Pakistani bigots here - created a Bangladeshi sub-forum.

2. Pakistani intellectuals have been honest about 1971 and they have to be respected for that.

In the US there is no remorse for the damage and murder inflicted on millions of Vietnamese by the Americans.

Racist white Americans only remember Vietnam and lament over it due to their dead casualties.

Pakistanis therefore are morally superior to Americans in this regard.

How many other nations express such remorse for the actions of their state and army?

Do the Belgians express such remorse for their genocide in Africa eg. Congo?

Do the French do so for Algeria?

Do the Russians do for Afghanistan where they may have killed 5 million?

Do the British do for North America, Australasia, South Asia where they genocided millions?

Thanks to Hamid Mir, Imran Khan, Asma Jahangir, Air Marshall Asghar Khan, Javed Hashmi, Nawaz Sharif and many others for their pro-Bangladeshi stance.

3. Indians are abusing the hospitality and generousity of Pakistani moderators on this forum by trying to humiliate Pakistanis over December 16th.

PDF Indians are no friends of Bangladesh and in fact hate Bengalis (be they West Bengali Hindus or East Bengal [Bangladeshi] Muslims, and insult, humiliate and abuse Bangladeshis day and night on this forum.

However they suddenly become "pro-Bangladeshi" on December 16th or other dates which coincide with humiliating Pakistan.

We Bangladeshis on this forum should be aware of such Indian two-facedness (look at how they continuously encourage an alcoholic Punjabi immigrant troll called "Imran Khan" to insult Bangladesh on this forum) and not fall for their tricks,

4. 1971 happened. The past is the past, we are both independent nations now.

If India play Pakistan in Dhaka, 90% of Bangladeshi fans will support Pakistan.

In fact if Afghanistan play Pakistan in Dhaka, 90% of Bangladeshi fans will support Pakistan (whom we have far more in common with than Afghans).


DEAR MODERATORS PLEASE LOCK ALL DECEMBER 16TH THREADS IF THEY RESULT IN TO UNNECESSARY PAKISTAN BASHING OR DEVIOUS MANIPULATION BY INDIANS OR EVEN RAZAKAR BANGLADESHIS (WHO ARE BITTER AT BANGLADESHI FREEDOM).
 
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Thanks to Hamid Mir, Imran Khan, Asma Jahangir, Air Marshall Asghar Khan, Javed Hashmi, Nawaz Sharif and many others for their pro-Bangladeshi stance.
You just mentioned the top ten most hated person in pakistan list!
 
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I am Muslim, I am Nationalist therefore I am a Muslim Nationalist and Bangladeshi.


i call myself a muslim nationalist and the article perfectly suits me and my identity! Bangladesh will always keep its typical Bengali Muslim image intact! This article rightly highlighted the part that there is a clear distinction between Pashimbanga and Bangladesh. Two nation theory never failed, it was created by Bengalis and is still alive in Bengali Muslim heart. Its infact Two nation three state theory in practise today as mentioned in the article which is a realistic one, rather than a country separated by a hostile territory! No Bangladeshi wants to unite with pakistan but Artificial Animosity kept alive in our heart for pakistan by a group for cheap political score should be removed as both countries can be benefited from each other as members of D8! The anti pakistan group should note that sheikh Mujib was the first Bangladeshi who hugged Pakistanis as he knew the Importance of Pakistan. Strong partnership between Pak Bd will make India nervous and it will add a pillar to our defence!

So am I and apply to all Muslims but how much freedom do you have now a days to express your right? Masjid going Muslims now a days label as Jamat-Shibir, communial, anti-Bangladeshi forces and end up in jail, Hijabi sisters are being harassed and label as Pakistani wannabe. Hindu has Hindu united front but aren't label as communal whereas Islamic parties are label as Razakar anti-Bangladeshi forces. This bullshit happening in so called Muslim majority nation under subversion of Awami maloon league. Awami maloon and it's dog squad has been barking for last 41 years that East Pakistan separated from West Pakistan to establish secular Bengali Hindu cultures in Bangladesh.

So, I think Awami maloon needs to go before we can say loudly that we are Muslim first and Bangladeshi second.


we cannot predict rightly what would our economic prosperity would be if we were not totally separated from Pakistan. what would be if we are now with Pakistan with greater autonomy based on 6 point demand of bangabandhu . but what sad me we could be a influential Muslim country of 300 million population and 400 billion dollar economy (Pakistan 254 billion bangladesh 136 billion ) and a standing arm forces of 1 million+ equip with nuclear weapons missile etc .

We will never know but we are weak and aimless for sure.
 
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I am Muslim, I am Nationalist therefore I am a Muslim Nationalist and Bangladeshi. Bangladesh is a product of a civil war resulting from power imbalance between the east and west. There is no reason to look back. From a devastated nation starting absolutely from zero we have raised ourselves up. I have no doubt BD today developmentwise is far ahead than we would have been if the federation survived, so I have no particular fondness for Pakistan. Militarily we would have been dangerously exposed where the Afgan wars of the 80's would have entrenched the idiocy of east defense is in the west fallacy further and we would probably be under daily drone attack.

Bangladesh was the best outcome for us, it enabled us to Marshall our economy and people for national development. Sovereignty enabled us to develop independent foreign policies and make strategic alliances that best served us.

Pakistan would not and could not serve our interest as our priorities clashed. That does not in anyway change the fact that Bangladesh is a nationalistic Muslim nation.

The east and the west had separate destinies.... The divorce should have been more amicable. The two wings where feasible should
Cooperate closely as in many areas they share common perspective and interest.

Good, especially the bit in bold. Everyone should move on from 1971 and certain members should stop bringing it up now.
 
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I didn't know there was so much animosity between Bangladeshi and Pakistani members here on PDF.

On topic: It's impossible to predict what could have been if the federation had survived. One thing I know for sure is that, both of us got played big time back then.
 
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1. This is a Pakistani forum, where Pakistanis have - with all credit to them and thanks to Webmaster who is different to many of the Bangladesh-hating Pakistani bigots here - created a Bangladeshi sub-forum.
We are a population of almost 180 million, not all of us would like you just like the way not every bangladeshi loves Pakistan. There are mixed opinion here about Bangladesh, older members do have a grudge against Bangladesh but younger members like me dont care, no need to delete the thread, celebrate (if thats what you guys do) .
 
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1. This is a Pakistani forum, where Pakistanis have - with all credit to them and thanks to Webmaster who is different to many of the Bangladesh-hating Pakistani bigots here - created a Bangladeshi sub-forum.

2. Pakistani intellectuals have been honest about 1971 and they have to be respected for that.

In the US there is no remorse for the damage and murder inflicted on millions of Vietnamese by the Americans.

Racist white Americans only remember Vietnam and lament over it due to their dead casualties.

Pakistanis therefore are morally superior to Americans in this regard.

How many other nations express such remorse for the actions of their state and army?

Do the Belgians express such remorse for their genocide in Africa eg. Congo?

Do the French do so for Algeria?

Do the Russians do for Afghanistan where they may have killed 5 million?

Do the British do for North America, Australasia, South Asia where they genocided millions?

Thanks to Hamid Mir, Imran Khan, Asma Jahangir, Air Marshall Asghar Khan, Javed Hashmi, Nawaz Sharif and many others for their pro-Bangladeshi stance.

3. Indians are abusing the hospitality and generousity of Pakistani moderators on this forum by trying to humiliate Pakistanis over December 16th.

PDF Indians are no friends of Bangladesh and in fact hate Bengalis (be they West Bengali Hindus or East Bengal [Bangladeshi] Muslims, and insult, humiliate and abuse Bangladeshis day and night on this forum.

However they suddenly become "pro-Bangladeshi" on December 16th or other dates which coincide with humiliating Pakistan.

We Bangladeshis on this forum should be aware of such Indian two-facedness (look at how they continuously encourage an alcoholic Punjabi immigrant troll called "Imran Khan" to insult Bangladesh on this forum) and not fall for their tricks,

4. 1971 happened. The past is the past, we are both independent nations now.

If India play Pakistan in Dhaka, 90% of Bangladeshi fans will support Pakistan.

In fact if Afghanistan play Pakistan in Dhaka, 90% of Bangladeshi fans will support Pakistan (whom we have far more in common with than Afghans).


DEAR MODERATORS PLEASE LOCK ALL DECEMBER 16TH THREADS IF THEY RESULT IN TO UNNECESSARY PAKISTAN BASHING OR DEVIOUS MANIPULATION BY INDIANS OR EVEN RAZAKAR BANGLADESHIS (WHO ARE BITTER AT BANGLADESHI FREEDOM).

1. For the bold part war crimes r common one country invades another thats why u don't see much remorse in America or Russia bcoz they were not there own people(although it doesn't justify there deeds anyhow) but thats all together different thing from doing war crimes on ur own fellow countyman...:agree:

2. Yes, most PDF Indians don't like BD members here bt thats bcoz of the response we get here from u guys in first place.

On topic:
I don't think there r much issues left between Pak n BD, both nation recognize each other as sovereign states n have good trade relations even the young gen don't give much value to 1971 n is more focussed on economic growth..
I believe all these r signs for a better future of BD n South Asia as a whole...:tup:
 
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