Death of 22-year-old Pinduoduo employee renews controversy over China’s 996 overwork culture, sparking an investigation

[Viet]

Vietnamese engineer drink beer at lunch time.

Also many companies deduct salary when you make mistake. This is not so nice.

Vietnam has a drink culture. Germany in large part as well. Drinking beer is like drinking water. The Italians and French drink wine at lunch.
Here I drink beer too - alcohol free - with colleagues however only when we go outside out of company campus.

 

[Song Hong]

Vietnam engineers are quite kind, and quite easy to negotiate an engineering compromise. Many managers are competent.

China fire bottom 10%. So the survivors are really competent.

Many US white engineers are nice and share knowledge even if they know they will be fired if someone outcompete them. A lot US Indians engineers are rubbish, that is why now Intel go shthole, following a train of many others Indian infested companies.

Many German companies have ranking but it is more of a formality.

The Australian engineers are very relax, but the team cooperate. They are no ranking or merely ranking for formality. Australian engineers go back at 1600, but because team atmosphere are good, they get job done because they share and help one another.

The worst engineering culture I ever seen is Singapore. Totally incompetent managers. Often the most competent get fired, or dont get promotion. Managers are petrified and antagonistic of outstanding subordinate. (Maybe India Indian culture even worse... I almost vomit blood everytime I support India companies)

Vietnam has a drink culture. Germany in large part as well. Drinking beer is like drinking water. The Italians and French drink wine at lunch.
Here I drink beer too - alcohol free - with colleagues however only when we go outside out of company campus.

 

[Indos]

The hardest work/hard working people belongs to construction workers, farmers.

 

[Figaro]

The prevalence of fire 10% in US big tech compel many engineers to join startup. You get egalitarian culture. But then when companies become successful, then the pioneer will implement fire 10%, and impose rigid culture.

The kinder pioneer move on and start another company.

I think it is mainly Facebook because they're compensation is so good. Most other big tech companies don't have nearly that much pressure (the compensation reflects that) and the performance reviews are standard as with the industry. But 996 is Facebook except even worse.

 

[Song Hong]

Big US tech is worse than communist in brain washing. For questioning the "diversity policy" of Google, this guy got fired.

US tech is going to impose apathied on the name of diversity, never mind meritocracy or equality. The more pervert you are you get paid more. I suggest one convert to LGBP+feminist+gay+black. Sure you got a job.

I think it is mainly Facebook because they're compensation is so good. Most other big tech companies don't have nearly that much pressure (the compensation reflects that) and the performance reviews are standard as with the industry. But 996 is Facebook except even worse.

 

[Mista]

This company provides back-end developers with a salary of more than 25k rmb ($4k) a month during campus recruitment and one year's salary is calculated on the basis of 18 months. And this is not special offer. I don't understand the point of such news, since all IT enterprise employees work overtime.

在这个国家，如果加班能多给钱，已经算很不错了。
除非你进外企和国企，但是这些企业的待遇能达到拼多多的一半都不容易。
选择国内私企就要承担风险。私企就很少有遵守劳动法的。

You're a computer science undergraduate right? 会害怕未来工作吗？

We have something 35 or 40 hours week. I have 37 hours week.

Nice.

 

[CHN Bamboo]

You're a computer science undergraduate right? 会害怕未来工作吗？

Yes.
When I first entered the university, I heard from upperclassman that overtime was common.

所以现在并不怎么担忧，早就有心理准备了。
我有很多996的学长… 加班久了，也就习惯了…

 

[Mista]

所以现在并不怎么担忧，早就有心理准备了。

佩服。还说你没上进心。

 

[Viet]

Vietnam engineers are quite kind, and quite easy to negotiate an engineering compromise. Many managers are competent.

China fire bottom 10%. So the survivors are really competent.

Many US white engineers are nice and share knowledge even if they know they will be fired if someone outcompete them. A lot US Indians engineers are rubbish, that is why now Intel go shthole, following a train of many others Indian infested companies.

Many German companies have ranking but it is more of a formality.

The Australian engineers are very relax, but the team cooperate. They are no ranking or merely ranking for formality. Australian engineers go back at 1600, but because team atmosphere are good, they get job done because they share and help one another.

The worst engineering culture I ever seen is Singapore. Totally incompetent managers. Often the most competent get fired, or dont get promotion. Managers are petrified and antagonistic of outstanding subordinate. (Maybe India Indian culture even worse... I almost vomit blood everytime I support India companies)

That’s the norm in the US. I once worked for General Electrics. They fired 10 pct of low performers every year. That’s impossible in Germany.

 

[casual]

He's a business owner. I am a programmer myself. You think I have a pain in the *** to work 996 while my employer making crazy profits? Although I did work close to this in the first year of my job to catch up with skills. On the other hand I would do 996 on studies though because it benefits me.

idk, I learn much more at my job then I ever did in school.

 

[Daniel808]

Damn, 3rd world countries who famous of their laziness.
Now trying to teach Chinese people, how to become lazy like them

 

[Uguduwa]

idk, I learn much more at my job then I ever did in school.

True but it doesn't translate into qualifications clearly as studies does. This is also the reason why I willingly work overtime whenever there's a steep learning curve.

Even though I criticised it, I also try to keep to 996 schedule as much as I can.

@casual Since we're on the subject, how do you keep yourself motivated in a tough schedule? I often fail at balancing my life properly and get over stressed.

 

[casual]

True but it doesn't translate into qualifications clearly as studies does. This is also the reason why I willingly work overtime whenever there's a steep learning curve.

Even though I criticised it, I also try to keep to 996 schedule as much as I can.

@casual Since we're on the subject, how do you keep yourself motivated in a tough schedule? I often fail at balancing my life properly and get over stressed.

don't overcommit yourself. and communicate if you come across any unforeseen issues. I can handle slow employees but I can't stand employees who overpromise and don't deliver on time.

 

[ILC]

996 is useless at programming jobs. Effective work is short. One guy in the Polish team in two hours done more than the whole team in 6 hours. Now he works for a Chinese company that makes chess engines.

From my friend's work.
3 teams - one in Poland, the second in Japan, and the third I don't remember I think in Korea.

In Poland, guys were working like 4-5 hours coding, the rest playing games or talking, and often go home early.
In Japan, they always were up to when my friend calls them, he also went to Japan to work for two weeks but he came back because he had to work for like 12 hours.

The results were, the Polish team always had the most job done and the best results while working half what peers in Japan and the other team.