Deadly explosions on Moscow Metro system

[Moscow]

I'm afraid I can't answer this question accurately; apart from the religious undertones, it's also ethnic in nature.

Past few years have been relatively peaceful if you look at how bad things were especially in late 1980s/1990s.


Do most Chechens support Ramazhan Kadyrov? Some do view him as a pro-Russia puppet ---he even had a militia called the Kadyrovtsy; they used to kill many fellow Chechens who challenged the center.

you are very right there if you look at russian history its always ruled autocratically so certain man coming to power with iron hands is not unusual its part of russian tradition now i guess and the common man cares less we have bigger misfortune to care about

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

A.V. I'm really sorry about your friends.....

Not sure what u meant by collect them. Did they perish or did they survive with injuries??? Were they there but unharmed?


Regardless, I'm sorry. My sympathies with Russia.


It's disappointing to me that Pakistan FO / PPP govt. has not yet sent an official statement of condemnation and sorrow to Russia on this incident.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

And Eastern Europe was allied to who?


This is an absurd comment. Sanctions are effective only when the targeted country have been buying something from the offended country. Sanctions are denials of goods and services. When the US imposed sanctions on Cuba, that does not prevent other countries from trading with Cuba, such as Canada or Spain. So what is it that the US have been buying from the Soviet Union that sanctions imposed on US can hurt US? Nothing.

Well there are some sources who suggest that Western Europe helped the U.S. in order to keep the pressure on Soviet Union economically.

Most of the Eastern Europe was part of USSR at that time.


Now both sides of the picture!
Very neutral for you to accept..

"When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, a major debate broke out over the contribution that the campaign of economic sanctions had made toward the fall of the Soviet empire. Many former officials in the Reagan administration credited sanctions with a significant role in the disintegration of the Soviet economy and therefore of the Soviet Union itself. On the other hand, the leading work on the effectiveness of economic sanctions—Hufbauer, Schott, and Elliott, Economic Sanctions Reconsidered (vol. 1, p. 137)—concludes that although the United States did succeed in denying some arms and key technologies to the Soviets, the collapse stemmed from internal inefficiencies rather than U.S. economic sanctions."

 

[SekrutYakhni]

when did i abuse you ?in my 1.5 years on this forum i have never abused anybody if you do not like my post counter it but dont accuse as it spoils the discussions

now ask your gf or your friend a honest question do they care more about a peaceful day to day life and earnings and breakfast or they want a independence marred by violence , infighting and trouble

i am sure about the answer ....
and dont accuse me next time bullshit is not an abuse in any part of the world

cheers

Well you are right..I over read your comment and said the thing which I should not have said. You were referring to independence rather than being personal..
Apologies.


You are referring to Maslow's Hierarchy of needs..
I mean every one needs what you have said before..
Who does not?

 

[Moscow]

so wat made Soviet union withdraw from those countries?

sir the soviet union did not withdraw if you read the history it was dissolved because russia the biggest soviet declared independence and yeltsin banned the CPSU from russian terrority the military coup upstaged gorbachevs plan and yeltsin took the oppurtunity to sign the treaty of dissolution and formation of CIS
detailed can be studided in books written world over.


let me add to he economic sanctions thing even during the late 80s during glasnost SU was importing wheat from the US so even the sanction thing is not valid correctly
the single big factor cannot be attributed but afnanistan was .01% of whol thing if any

 

[SekrutYakhni]

sir the soviet union did not withdraw if you read the history it was dissolved because russia the biggest soviet declared independence and yeltsin banned the CPSU from russian terrority the military coup upstaged gorbachevs plan and yeltsin took the oppurtunity to sign the treaty of dissolution and formation of CIS
detailed can be studided in books written world over.


let me add to he economic sanctions thing even during the late 80s during glasnost SU was importing wheat from the US so even the sanction thing is not valid correctly
the single big factor cannot be attributed but afnanistan was .01% of whol thing if any

So you mean military coup was the biggest reason?

 

[Moscow]

A.V. I'm really sorry about your friends.....

Not sure what u meant by collect them. Did they perish or did they survive with injuries??? Were they there but unharmed?


Regardless, I'm sorry. My sympathies with Russia.


It's disappointing to me that Pakistan FO / PPP govt. has not yet sent an official statement of condemnation and sorrow to Russia on this incident.

all 3 of my friends are safe 2 escaped with minor injuries a 3 rd one had a torn artery was operated but all doing great now
hope this kind of attacks never happen anywhere its a shame to see innocent people suffer and die like this

 

[Moscow]

So you mean military coup was the biggest reason?

no no the coup was failed and this made a huge impact
but for me personally the biggest reason was the rise of nationalism post glasnost and prestroika while the reforms were good on paper very little was put in practice the opening up could have been done slowly people failed to adapt to the new system and happenings constant comparison to the west did no good also the old leadership in the satellite states did not help they could not keep pace with changing soviet union the whole region underwent massive uprising
petty politics got the better of the man then

the event was supposed to be a knee jerk reaction but took too massive a scale following wrong policies by the CPSU hardliners

 

[SekrutYakhni]

no no the coup was failed and this made a huge impact
but for me personally the biggest reason was the rise of nationalism post glasnost and prestroika while the reforms were good on paper very little was put in practice the opening up could have been done slowly people failed to adapt to the new system and happenings constant comparison to the west did no good also the old leadership in the satellite states did not help they could not keep pace with changing soviet union the whole region underwent massive uprising
petty politics got the better of the man then

the event was supposed to be a knee jerk reaction but took too massive a scale following wrong policies by the CPSU hardliners

Sounds concrete in a way!

 

[gambit]

Well there are some sources who suggest that Western Europe helped the U.S. in order to keep the pressure on Soviet Union economically.

Some sources? How about showing the readership those 'some' compared a majority opinion that said otherwise? Western Europe, despite their individual distinctions, was of a unified opinion that the Soviet Union was an existential threat so what else was there to do but to be an accomplice to US? Whatever 'some sources' you have exists only in your imagination.

Most of the Eastern Europe was part of USSR at that time.

Most? How about all?

Now both side of the pictures!
Very neutral for you to accept..

"When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, a major debate broke out over the contribution that the campaign of economic sanctions had made toward the fall of the Soviet empire. Many former officials in the Reagan administration credited sanctions with a significant role in the disintegration of the Soviet economy and therefore of the Soviet Union itself. On the other hand, the leading work on the effectiveness of economic sanctions—Hufbauer, Schott, and Elliott, Economic Sanctions Reconsidered (vol. 1, p. 137)—concludes that although the United States did succeed in denying some arms and key technologies to the Soviets, the collapse stemmed from internal inefficiencies rather than U.S. economic sanctions."

And those inefficiencies were compounded by the need to develop technologies to match the West. If those key technologies were allowed to be exported to the communist bloc, the Soviet Union would still exist today.

Am willing to bet that your 'political age', meaning the time in your life when you are intellectually matured enough to place politics, local and international, ahead of other considerations, came AFTER the collapse of the Soviet Union. I was in East Berlin when it existed. I was an adult working around nuclear bombs loaded on Victor Alert fighter-bombers when the Soviet Union existed. You were probably a child back then. Today, 'The Soviet Union' and its once vassal states are still very real to me but as abstract to you as the Roman Empire is to all of us. That evil empire is real to me not in the sense that it exists but in that what I am today is very much shaped by its existence -- DIRECTLY. I am a product of the Cold War. You are not. Or at least I doubt you are. Do not attempt to make excuses for that truly evil empire.

 

[Parashuram1]

Is Chechnya a part of Russia? No. Than how can it be an internal matter? This is a game of action-reaction and will continue till Russia changes her inhumanitarian policies.

Secondly, wasn't Saddam-Kurds conflict an internal matter? Why did US interfare there? Obvious are the reasons and since they went in someone elses war, US is in worst condition in Iraq and so in Afghanistan.

We strongly condemn terrorism. Because Pakistan has given the most sacrifices against terrorism. We are the nation that has affected the most. We as nation have given the most and paid the biggest prize that you can never repay.

Russian acts against Chechens are the basic reasons for such incidents. Just like innocent Russian Citizens should not be killed, the innocent Chechen Citizens also are equal worthy.

KIT Over

Just because you don't regard it as an integral part of that country, doesn't mean the world doesn't. There is no dispute in the UN regarding the province and all other countries recognize it as a part of Russia.

People cannot help you see reason for an argument to exist if you choose not to see them. I am sure that your government is smart and would agree with my words here more than what you say. Surely you want to add Kremlin in the list of your enemies by challenging their province as a disputed territory?

Please rethink from a political perspective and see what I am talking without being fazed by sentiments.

 

[Parashuram1]

Did u even understand what i am saying??

No he didn't. And neither do most posters on this thread because they always see everything related to religion. Be it United States, Europe, neutral countries, Russia, their political rival India... everything is seen through the glasses of religion.

So there is no point in wasting time with them. The more you explain them that this is a territorial matter, the more they will accuse you of religious intolerance. Let the Russian members handle this matter with them since it is their country that is being discussed here.

Every thread similar to this gets on the roll because of this glasses of religion.. its very regrettable.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

Some sources? How about showing the readership those 'some' compared a majority opinion that said otherwise? Western Europe, despite their individual distinctions, was of a unified opinion that the Soviet Union was an existential threat so what else was there to do but to be an accomplice to US? Whatever 'some sources' you have exists only in your imagination.


Most? How about all?


And those inefficiencies were compounded by the need to develop technologies to match the West. If those key technologies were allowed to be exported to the communist bloc, the Soviet Union would still exist today.

Am willing to bet that your 'political age', meaning the time in your life when you are intellectually matured enough to place politics, local and international, ahead of other considerations, came AFTER the collapse of the Soviet Union. I was in East Berlin when it existed. I was an adult working around nuclear bombs loaded on Victor Alert fighter-bombers when the Soviet Union existed. You were probably a child back then. Today, 'The Soviet Union' and its once vassal states are still very real to me but as abstract to you as the Roman Empire is to all of us. That evil empire is real to me not in the sense that it exists but in that what I am today is very much shaped by its existence -- DIRECTLY. I am a product of the Cold War. You are not. Or at least I doubt you are. Do not attempt to make excuses for that truly evil empire.

Western Europe, despite their individual distinctions, was of a unified opinion that the Soviet Union was an existential threat

Yeah..so it was my point also that Europe supported the U.S. and support does not merely come in words..as you told us that you were in East Berlin working around nuclear weapons loaded on Victor Alert fighter-bombers which means Germany was with ...?
and Europe was actively supporting the U.S. not in words but practically.

You are right I was not there during Cold War era...
You practically faced it but your opinion is biased to some extent as you are not only American but were part of the movement.
For me, you are not a neutral source...

Regarding the source...
This somehow backs your opinion..
West Europe Challenges U.S. Trade Sanctions; Baker Said to Resist Lifting Curbs on Soviets
The Washington Post | February 7, 1989 | Don Oberdorfer


http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/cold_war.htm
"The Western democracies, led by the United States, were determined to stop the spread of communism and Soviet power. While not being able to stop the Soviets in Eastern Europe, the U.S. and Britain were determined to prevent communist regimes from achieving power in Western Europe. During the Second World War, communists parties throughout Western Europe, had gained popularity in their resistance to Nazi occupation. There was a real possibility the communist parties would be elected in both France and Italy."

 

[Chiru]

no my friend. things change when you get reduced to a country in north from a super power status. and that also at the hands of a third world intelligence agency... you know the name dont you?

At that time third world intelligence agency was backed by CIA and $$. now it is different story.

 

[Moscow]

Because Russain diplomat ain't saying this here but Indian trolls are.

Secondly, I think you forgot who broke the far bigger USSR in early 90's. Who pushed back USSR back to its borders and later it was torn to pieces. Amend your records.

KIT OVer

please go through the last 2 pages with open mind maybe you can learn something about soviet union and correct your wrong belief on "WHO BROKE "