Deadly explosions on Moscow Metro system

[Abu Zolfiqar]

as far as the involvement of elements in pakistan is concerned well it first needs to be proved. and secondly many of the militants have escaped from the military operation in pakistan. big number of them have moved up north which is none of our concern just lik it was no ones concern when they moved south to bomb our cities. maximum we can do is to deny them space and kill as many as possible.

i hope things dont get messy for you guys and peace prevails.

+1

 

[Moscow]

as far as this incident is concerned, i have already expressed my sorrow for the innocent lives lost. as far as the involvement of elements in pakistan is concerned well it first needs to be proved.

i didnt claim pakistan had any hand its just stupid to make such claims for a civilian like me

as far as your argument is concerned, well it does not hold much ground. its a fact that Soviet army was hit hard in afghanistan which forced your withdrawal

yes soviet army was hit hard in afganistan so what is that your claim why soviet union broke? if yes then i am sorry to say people here know very little about the soviet existence or the breakup reasons

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

i was merely replying to ISI popularity this is no way 9-11 there were bigger attacks on russia before even the recent nevsky bombings are worse

are u based in Russia at the moment?

Are people bringing up ISI in the media?

So far, it appears only indian media made direct links of ISI/Pakistan with this attack

(a charge which I find nothing short of bullshit)

incase of war there will always be civilian casualties cant do without thats why i keep repeating that the civilians in these areas are with russia then dont want military offensive they want to live their daily life earn a days bread

the foreign funded and supplied groups are there to harm ordinary people that needs to be curbed at all costs like minded nations should stop this one day or other it will spread it will not stop at one point but what we get is empty voices

So do the Chechens/Ingushetians/Dagestanys etc. not have any grievances that need to be addressed???

Secondly, why dont the Chechen civilian masses fight the militant groups -- or report their positions to the authorities?

where do the Chechen militant groups get their funding and arms?

 

[SekrutYakhni]

are u based in Russia at the moment?

Are people bringing up ISI in the media?

So far, it appears only indian media made direct links of ISI/Pakistan with this attack

(a charge which I find nothing short of bullshit)





So do the Chechens/Ingushetians/Dagestanys etc. not have any grievances that need to be addressed???

Secondly, why dont the Chechen civilian masses fight the militant groups -- or report their positions to the authorities?

where do the Chechen militant groups get their funding and arms?

These questions are to be addressed after this question in my opinion.

WHY are North Caucasus fighting against Russian main land?
I know for independence but answer in depth is required.

After this question other questions are answered.

 

[karan.1970]

read the comment properly and then reply. picking up few words and writing everything coming to ur mind is not the rit way to go

I think you are looking at the wrong comment . I have read it properly and I dont think my response is inappropriate...



but a police-state policy towards Chechens and other predominantly Muslim ethnic groups will surely only fuel more hatred and suspicion
It would also be prudent to mention that these are purely homegrown groups. ''AfPak" has little relevance here; Russians shouldnt fall for standard indian tactics

 

[Moscow]

are u based in Russia at the moment?

Are people bringing up ISI in the media?

So far, it appears only indian media made direct links of ISI/Pakistan with this attack

(a charge which I find nothing short of bullshit)

if you see my first post on this thread i told i stay 2 metro stops from the place where 2nd blast took place and i went to the metro yesterday to collect 3 of my friends
russian media does not report anything from inside what the FSB is thinking what the goverment is doing is represented by only press releases and interviews no more

FSB is no talk but action it hasent changed for ages the right to know is limited in russia

 

[ajpirzada]

yes soviet army was hit hard in afganistan so what is that your claim why soviet union broke? if yes then i am sorry to say people here know very little about the soviet existence or the breakup reasons

well again wat other major reason can their be for your withdrawl from afghanistan which set the stage for other central asian states getting independence.

 

[Moscow]

These questions are to be addressed after this question in my opinion.

WHY are North Caucasus fighting against Russian main land?


I know for independence but answer in depth is required.


After this question other questions are answered.

what who told you this joke are you based in the region?
how much do you know about the region ?

let me tell you if i talk about balouchistan issue would it be stupid for me i know nothing about it just saw some posts on forum based on that i will not make assumptions since i know nothing about the topic nor do i know the details

so please keep this independence bullshit to yourself do not try and take advantage of amateur reporting

first you need to know in detail what is the whole truth make a trip to the region or talk to people from there and then read try and understand

 

[SekrutYakhni]

Soviets were not defeated in military ground. It is a wrong perception among people that they went from Afghanistan because they lost the war military wise.
Soviets during that time had worse relations with the U.S. and NATO which led to economic sanctions on Soviet Union. Western Europe was pro American at that time which led Soviets to battle on two fronts i..e economic and military.
You cannot defeat countries from stinger missiles or other small weapons.
If the U.S. was in Afghanistan and Europe along with Russia imposed sanctions on the U.S. than the fate of the U.S. would have been the same. Not to mention about the former Soviet States demanding independence at the same time.
However, by saying that Soviet Union did suffer massive military causalities.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

what who told you this joke are you based in the region?
how much do you know about the region ?

let me tell you if i talk about balouchistan issue would it be stupid for me i know nothing about it just saw some posts on forum based on that i will not make assumptions since i know nothing about the topic nor do i know the details

so please keep this independence bullshit to yourself do not try and take advantage of amateur reporting

first you need to know in detail what is the whole truth make a trip to the region or talk to people from there and then read try and understand

I have friends from Dagestan and my gf (converted Muslim) is from Russia (Sverdlovsk Oblast)

I know a lot about Russia so refrain from such comments.
Do not abuse
Understand?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

I'm afraid I can't answer this question accurately; apart from the religious undertones, it's also ethnic in nature.

Past few years have been relatively peaceful if you look at how bad things were especially in late 1980s/1990s.


Do most Chechens support Ramazhan Kadyrov? Some do view him as a pro-Russia puppet ---he even had a militia called the Kadyrovtsy; they used to kill many fellow Chechens who challenged the center.

 

[Moscow]

well again wat other major reason can their be for your withdrawl from afghanistan which set the stage for other central asian states getting independence.

the CARs did not want to break away from the union the nationalist movement started in the baltics even during gorbachev,s last plan CARs were very much a part of the scheme
they never wanted independence because they relied heavily on other soviets to fullfill their needs

even post soviet era the CARs were the first to form the CIS

there are much more thats beyond the scope of this thread so the notion about afgan war is nothing but fantasy it did hurt the ecinomy but it was trival to what happened later on


one last point the central asian republics are still closer to russia than they will ever be to any other country shows my point clearly

 

[Moscow]

I have friends from Dagestan and my gf (converted Muslim) is from Russia (Yekaterinburg)..

I know a lot about Russia so refrain from such comments.
Do not abuse me
Understand?

when did i abuse you ?in my 1.5 years on this forum i have never abused anybody if you do not like my post counter it but dont accuse as it spoils the discussions

now ask your gf or your friend a honest question do they care more about a peaceful day to day life and earnings and breakfast or they want a independence marred by violence , infighting and trouble

i am sure about the answer ....
and dont accuse me next time bullshit is not an abuse in any part of the world

cheers

 

[ajpirzada]

the CARs did not want to break away from the union the nationalist movement started in the baltics even during gorbachev,s last plan CARs were very much a part of the scheme
they never wanted independence because they relied heavily on other soviets to fullfill their needs

even post soviet era the CARs were the first to form the CIS

there are much more thats beyond the scope of this thread so the notion about afgan war is nothing but fantasy it did hurt the ecinomy but it was trival to what happened later on


one last point the central asian republics are still closer to russia than they will ever be to any other country shows my point clearly

so wat made Soviet union withdraw from those countries?

 

[gambit]

Soviets were not defeated in military ground. It is a wrong perception among people that they went from Afghanistan because they lost the way military wise.
Soviets during that time had worse relations with the U.S. and NATO which led to economic sanctions on Soviet Union. Western Europe was pro American at that time which led Soviets to battle on two fronts i..e economic and military.

And Eastern Europe was allied to who?

If the U.S. was in Afghanistan and Europe along with Russia imposed sanctions on the U.S. than the fate of the U.S. would have been the same.

This is an absurd comment. Sanctions are effective only when the targeted country have been buying something from the offended country. Sanctions are denials of goods and services. When the US imposed sanctions on Cuba, that does not prevent other countries from trading with Cuba, such as Canada or Spain. So what is it that the US have been buying from the Soviet Union that sanctions imposed on US can hurt US? Nothing.