Deadly explosions on Moscow Metro system

[ajpirzada]

Now Pakistan will have to host Blackwater and KGB personel

Pity about the dead. Hope that the animals who did this rot in hell

remember wat happened to KGB the last time they came close to pakistan? or should i say wat happened to soviet union?

dont try to turn this thread into flame.

 

[ajpirzada]

I dont see Pakistan refraining from screaming India- RAW - Israel at every terrorist incident in Pakistan. This mentality is not an exclusive property of India.. Is it?? It can be found in same quantity if not more on the western side of Indian border too..

And as I said earlier.. The habbit of rationalizing terrorism by murking the waters about police state mentality, illegal occupation etc is what makes most countries suspicious of the north western part of the subcontinent...

read the comment properly and then reply. picking up few words and writing everything coming to ur mind is not the rit way to go

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Pls go ahead and laugh and tell ur buddies this same thing in checnya.

This is Pakistan Defence Forum. If you know any Chechens or Dağestanys personally, by all means invite them here.

Laughing I will keep doing. Laughing is healthy, and it feels good. Though admittedly, it may come off as distasteful in such a grim topic such as this one.


It saddens me to see you tense up so much, dear neighbour.

May I suggest a cool glass of water and some Chinese acupuncture?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

KGB or many of its policies are no more but all big heads of present FSB are KGB officials VLADIMIR PUTIN is one KGB product
the major internal policing is no more there FSB deals with intelligence but inside russian terrority in matters of state they have a big say
unlike KGB ,FSB Does not interfere in day to day life nor does it have any intention but many state policies still have a big FSB say but more recently FSB is willing to do away with borders and willing to take the approach of the israeli model more details of functioning is beyond my scope

hope this helps

what are the implications of this recent terrorist attack in Moscow; is this likely to instigate military operations in the restive North Caucusus area --and if so, what are the political and security-related ramifications of such a move?

Wont it just alienate Russia-proper & the incumbent pro-russia leaning Chechen leader(s)

 

[ajpirzada]

Truly a Despicable Act by the cowards once again. I am sure the Russians will bring these terrorists to justice, I have no doubts.

One thing I would like to say here is that, right after 911 Everyone joined in condemning the act, and hell even Pakistan joined the US to fight the Al Qaeda and Taliban. No one spoke of Palestine, or Iraq or whatever, everyone just mimicked Uncle Sams thoughts. But here, when Russians are killed in cold blooded in the most horrendous of ways, We have Pakistanis say, Chechnya this, Chechnya that, and Russian Army this, Russian Army that! Why dont you all dare say it again the US Army? They killed more Muslims than Russians ever can or ever will!!! Why so? Because you will be picked up by CIA and shifted to Gitmo. The Bear doesnt do that, yet its a villain, maybe it should act like Uncle Sam, then only some folks will atleast shut their mouths and stop spewing BS and hate!! Hypocricy at its best!!! God Speed

amazing. ur knowledge is nill. even today, according to a recent survey, 80% of pakistanis dont support US war in afghanistan.

every action has a reaction my friend. US has been helping israel in killing of Palestinians and that fueled hatred againt US. similarly russia invaded Chechenya by force and according to international law any invaded territory does not become a part of invading country.

state terrorism leads to individual terrorism. they are both terrorism but you have to see which way is the causality running. change your policies and you will see how safe this world will be. but its always a hard thing to do and therefore most of the time nations resort to brute force which only provides you with a short term solution.

 

[ajpirzada]

KGB does. Changing the name of the ISI to "Aunty Fatima's Busy Bakery" wouldn't make any difference to its operations. It would still remain the ISI which has as its principal mandate to destabilise India using terrorism. Same with the KGB. Sweetening their name to FSB makes no difference. They remain the KGB. Ask PM Putin. He carried a KGB id before

no my friend. things change when you get reduced to a country in north from a super power status. and that also at the hands of a third world intelligence agency... you know the name dont you?

 

[Moscow]

no my friend. things change when you get reduced to a country in north from a super power status. and that also at the hands of a third world intelligence agency... you know the name dont you?

the highlighted part does not make sense expected better from good member like you that the soviet union demise was more ideological than military and the said third worlds country intelligence is hardly even known in this part of the world other than for the recent wrong developments post 9-11

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

its quite immature to compare this attack to 9/11.

9/11 had a HUGE psychological impact on whoever saw the planes hit the towers and watched them come down (whether it was live or on TV). Over 3,000 civilians were killed in one day -- and that too Americans

Not to imply that American lives are worth more than our lives or others' lives (in fact, this mentality infuriates me).

But the fact that the economically/militarily most advanced country was brought to its knees on that historic day -- it had much more impact than any other terrorist attack committed.

It is also wrong to imply that Pakistanis dont feel any sympathy or sorrow. There is no truth in that statement. Majority of us reject violence --especially against civilians. We ourselves have lost many innocent, wonderful people in terrorist attacks.....If anything, we can empathize the most with the Russians and their families.

As observers here in a forum, it is inevitable that the debate over Russia & Chechna will be brought up; especially now that Chechnen seperatists have claimed responsibility for the attack.

Whole world media will probably highlight this issue. It isnt as if this is a new phenonmenon. Follow the news in South Russia and you will know that the region is no stranger to tit-for-tat violence.

Deputy Interior Minister Yedelev himself admitted that 235 police officers and "interior troops" died in the region in 2009, with 686 injured -- as recorded terrorist acts, including suicide bombings, rose sharply.

When the attacks happen in Moscow however, then the story really makes the news.









p.s. I have never really followed the Chechnen struggle. But I'll be very honest with you people.

After the Beslan school hostage crisis, I had zero sympathy for the Chechen militant groups. They killed over 300 school children.

Same way I condemn when Russia sends troops to fight the militants, and instead civilians get killed.




vicious cycle!!!

 

[Arik]

Same way I condemn when Russia sends troops to fight the militants, and instead civilians get killed.




vicious cycle!!!

what can the troops do when the militants use civilians as shields.

 

[Moscow]

what are the implications of this recent terrorist attack in Moscow; is this likely to instigate military operations in the restive North Caucusus area --and if so, what are the political and security-related ramifications of such a move?

Wont it just alienate Russia-proper & the incumbent pro-russia leaning Chechen leader(s)

this is not instigate any military operations is my belief but i might be wrong the general anger will subside in few days but certain operations will be carried out which even will not be reported or told to ordinary people like us
for every crime somebody has to pay its the norm of the world lets see what happens but these foreign funded terrorists will be better dealth with is what we hope
as far as the president of cechnia, dagestan and ingutesia is concerned the administration and the common man is with russia as always these terrorists are trying to instigate violence in these regions and must be crushed with iron hands thats what i think will be done

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

where is the funding for these groups coming from

 

[ajpirzada]

the highlighted part does not make sense expected better from good member like you that the soviet union demise was more ideological than military and the said third worlds country intelligence is hardly even known in this part of the world other than for the recent wrong developments post 9-11

well i never wanted to be dragged in this discussion but these 'mighty' indians have started pakistan bashing in this thread for no reason.

as far as your argument is concerned, well it does not hold much ground. its a fact that Soviet army was hit hard in afghanistan which forced your withdrawal. and about ur part of the world knowing anything about ISI doesnt interest us. but lets not get into all this.

as far as this incident is concerned, i have already expressed my sorrow for the innocent lives lost. as far as the involvement of elements in pakistan is concerned well it first needs to be proved. and secondly many of the militants have escaped from the military operation in pakistan. big number of them have moved up north which is none of our concern just lik it was no ones concern when they moved south to bomb our cities. maximum we can do is to deny them space and kill as many as possible.

i hope things dont get messy for you guys and peace prevails.

again im sorry for this incident and sorry if i hurt your feelings while replying to indian comments.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

It is very sad to hear about the Moscow attacks. Civilians should not be targeted at all anywhere is the world..

I do not support suck attacks and condemn them at any level...

However, can someone tell me that how many Chechnyans or other North Caucasus people have been killed?

No blood is superior or inferior. Russian blood is as much important as Chechnyan ones.

Russia should work closer with North Caucasus to solve the problems...
Do not follow American foot prints (killing like a blind bull)

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

a weak attempt at comical relief:


the Turks have a saying.








Never trust your money with an Azeri

..

Never trust your sister with a Turk


..





NEVER trust your life in the hands of a Chechen

 

[Moscow]

its quite immature to compare this attack to 9/11.

i was merely replying to ISI popularity this is no way 9-11 there were bigger attacks on russia before even the recent nevsky bombings are worse

Same way I condemn when Russia sends troops to fight the militants, and instead civilians get killed.

incase of war there will always be civilian casualties cant do without thats why i keep repeating that the civilians in these areas are with russia then dont want military offensive they want to live their daily life earn a days bread
the foreign funded and supplied groups are there to harm ordinary people that needs to be curbed at all costs like minded nations should stop this one day or other it will spread it will not stop at one point but what we get is empty voices