Dawn.com: Xinjiang crackdown on ethnic minorities at the heart of China's Belt and Road

[Lincoln]

I think the confusion is in the different definition of "standard of living".

There is no confusion, the standard of living is much higher in China, even in Xinjiang.

 

[beijingwalker]

I think the confusion is in the different definition of "standard of living".

I think people around the world share some general idea of it.

 

[Andhadhun]

Its wrong to label it as a Muslim problem, its more ethnic related, the religious identity is simply collateral.

If that was the case then china would not have banned keeping long beard, naming kids as muhammed, teaching quran or keeping a fast during ramzan.

It has more to do with religion than ethnicity.

Their ethnicity does not represent a danger to the communist, its their religion which is in opposition to communist philosophies and principles which is the problem.

I think people around the world share some general idea of it.

NO they don't.

Do you seriously believe that ?

There is no confusion, the standard of living is much higher in China, even in Xinjiang.

Like I said, it depends on the definition of standard of living.

 

[beijingwalker]

NO they don't.

Do you seriously believe that ?

Compare to Indians? They earn several times more, they enjoy free education from preschool all the way to high school with free healthy school meals and daily diary, free accomoation and healthcare, poor families are subsidized on their daily cost and free government housing, Indian government covers all these ?

 

[Andhadhun]

Compare to Indians? They earn several times more, they enjoy free education from preschool all the way to high school with free healthy school meals and daily diary, free accomoation and healthcare, poor families are subsidized on their daily cost and free government housing, Indian government covers all these ?

"Standard of living" is not a comparison or a competition. It is an objective "Standard".

Even if you want to make it into one, I am pretty sure a devout muslim will choose freedom of religion over any of the things you have mentioned.

Why do you think devout monks go live in monasteries and reject all the things you mentioned above ?

If what you claimed was true, then you wouldn't be having issues with chinese muslims. Your own example proves the fallacy of your argument.

 

[beijingwalker]

"Standard of living" is not a comparison or a competition.

Even if you want to make it into one, I am pretty sure a devout muslim will choose freedom of religion over any of the things you have mentioned.

Why do you think devout monks go live in monasteries and reject all the things you mentioned above ?

If what you claimed was true, then you wouldn't be having issues with chinese muslims. Your own example proves the fallacy of your argument.

When I say standard of living I mean generally accepted idea by most people around the world. and we don't have issues with Muslims in China, you keep forgetting that Hui Muslims are the biggest Muslim group in China.

 

[Andhadhun]

When I say standard of living I mean generally accepted idea by most people around the world. and we don't have issues with Muslims in China, you keep forgetting that Hui Muslims are the biggest Muslim group in China.

You may or may not have problems with muslims in china, but they have a problem with you and how you treat them.

That is the whole point.

 

[beijingwalker]

You may or may not have problems with muslims in china, but they have a problem with you and how you treat them.

That is the whole point.

A very few of them, if they all have problems with us, we'll see rebels and insurgents spring up all over China like you see in India.

 

[Andhadhun]

A very few of them, if they all have problems with us, we'll see rebels and insurgents spring up all over China like you see in India.

I think that is why you have a million of them in "re-education" camps.

 

[beijingwalker]

I think that is why you have a million of them in "re-education" camps.

You can say billion next time,cause western media said one million the first week and 3 million the second,by far it should be billions by my calculation.

 

[Lincoln]

If that was the case then china would not have banned keeping long beard, naming kids as muhammed, teaching quran or keeping a fast during ramzan.

It has more to do with religion than ethnicity.

Their ethnicity does not represent a danger to the communist, its their religion which is in opposition to communist philosophies and principles which is the problem.



NO they don't.

Do you seriously believe that ?



Like I said, it depends on the definition of standard of living.

1. No, it doesn't. Otherwise Hui Muslims would have also been targeted, as well as few Han Muslims. Nothing like this happens in rest of China and there are plenty of Muslims studying in China, there are facilities of Halal food even present. This enforce wasn't due to "some hate for religion," it was due to the terrorism attacks and rebellion in Xinjiang.

2. Under every definition on standard of living, even if you want to pull one out of thin air, China will be the highest in this region of Asia. In whole Asia it will be definitely be up there at the top with South Korea and Japan.

 

[Deathstar]

Chinese are doing a good job , every country has a right to protect itself from terrorism. The Chinese should instead export its counter terrorism to other countries like India , Pakistan , middle east

 

[Andhadhun]

You can say billion next time,cause western media said one million the first week and 3 million the second,by far it should be billions by my calculation.

And you are merely trying to mock the media reports in the hope that people will disbelieve them and you can continue your program.

1. No, it doesn't. Otherwise Hui Muslims would have also been targeted, as well as few Han Muslims. Nothing like this happens in rest of China and there are plenty of Muslims studying in China, there are facilities of Halal food even present. This enforce wasn't due to "some hate for religion," it was due to the terrorism attacks and rebellion in Xinjiang.

Hui Muslims are facing the heat too and are targeted.

https://bitterwinter.org/then-they-came-for-the-hui-china-tightens-its-persecution-of-islam/

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/jan/15/china-crackdown-fears-xian-muslim-quarter

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/soci...lims-fear-theyre-next-face-crackdown-religion


The terrorism and rebellion in xingjiang is due to the oppressive policies of the chinese govt. w.r.t. practice of islam. Why else do they rebel ??? Since as per the chinese posters they have "high standard of living" and have no reason to complain.

2. Under every definition on standard of living, even if you want to pull one out of thin air, China will be the highest in this region of Asia. In whole Asia it will be definitely be up there at the top with South Korea and Japan.

In your earlier point 1. you said there are "terrorism attacks and rebellion in Xinjiang."

Why is that ?

Do you find the same in South Korea and Japan too ? Why not ?

So clearly the "standard of living" is not the same since SK and Japan does not have such issues.

 

[Arabi]

The only language that communist terror party in China knows is language of power.
There should be some proxy and rebels to support inside China, but unfortunately it seems the Uighurs are not people of war that's why we haven't seen a single Uighrian rebel/rebellion movement against the communist terror-like government of China and I certainly wouldn't waste my time and money on those who don't even show the least of what they can to defend themselves.

 

[beijingwalker]

Hui Muslims are facing the heat too and are targeted.
.

You can say Han is facing heated cause most social disturbance of various issues with the local governments were caused by Han Chinese.

And you are merely trying to mock the media reports in the hope that people will disbelieve them and you can continue your program.

LOL, I just say what I want, the last thing I intend to do is to change an Indian's mind.

The terrorism and rebellion in xingjiang is due to the oppressive policies of the chinese govt. w.r.t. practice of islam. Why else do they rebel ??? Since as per the chinese posters they have "high standard of living" and have no reason to complain.

Unlike what happens in India, there's no rebellion in Xinjiang. and terrorism is word of the past now, Xinjiang now is China's safest place with booming industry and highest GDP growth. that's shows how successfully China solved radicalism problems in a short of span of only several years time.

The only language that communist terror party in China knows is language of power.
There should be some proxy and rebels to support inside China, but unfortunately it seems the Uighurs are not people of war that's why we haven't seen a single Uighrian rebel/rebellion movement against the communist terror-like government of China and I certainly wouldn't waste my time and money on those who don't even show the least of what they can to defend themselves.

Xinjiang people are defending their lives and some gave up their own lives for this cause, most police died fighting separatism and terrorism in Xinjiang were Uighur officers.