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I am serious yaar
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I am serious yaar
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If Reliance or tata or anyone else wants to manufacture Rafale, it is more than welcome to set up it's production facility in india, and sell it to IAF at prices cheaper than HAL or Dassualt Breguet.... I don't think anyone has stopped them.
When HAL sells a MKI or a Jaguar or an AJT, It profits from the sale, Guess where that profit goes? Back to MoD.Of course govt is against reliance doing it and favours HAL .my point is that there is absolutely nothing to be gained for hal in this but a private player would have benefitted heavily and that was good for long term.
Hal has demonstrated amply that it cannot absorb tech at all .also it needs to focus on mki,pakfa and tejas.
how can they make 3 -4 diff planes at same time.it will lead to delays again-i am convinced
The figure is around $15-20BN. The $30BN figure is factoring in the total life cycle costs so entirely redundant.I too like Rafale but not at that cost !!! 30 billion is supposed to be cost of jets + training + service infra + weapons package. If not what you say is the figure ????
On rest parts Lets wait and watch.
I'd prefer if it went to TATA or L&T over Reliance. As it is Reliance will be making the wings and many other parts for the Rafale in India along with many other pvt entities in India (i believe I've heard the figure of around 150 companies have been identified and signed up). Sir, the work-share agreement between Dassualt and HAL has all been sorted out now so that's a sticking point anymore.Just give the damn thing to reliance to manufacture, that is all the fuss is about.... If HAL manufactures the entire system, no private party benefits.
Plan is to buy 60/80 PAK-FA off shelf and speed up LCA MK-2 and AMCA .
According to source the Russians have promised to consider the request.
What you guies think ??? BS or is it feasible ??? I definalty like it though
I too like Rafale but not at that cost !!! 30 billion is supposed to be cost of jets + training + service infra + weapons package. If not what you say is the figure ????
If IAF would had wanted the early Pak Fa, they would had ordered it instead of the additional 42 x MKIs, but they rejected them as not fitting to their requirements. Personally I think that was a mistake but that's how it is now.
The relation to MMRCA doesn't exist, MMRCA and Pak Fa are meant for completely different roles, the operational costs are far higher and the benefits for Indian industry is not available. The latter is the most important part of MMRCA, which neither no other fighter other than Rafale or the EF can offer.
By the way, the Russians would not consider a minute, if we really put had forwarded such a request, they would have directly started building them, because any additional Pak Fa that will be produced on their production line, helps them to reduce the costs of it.
That is the possible price including weapons and that over several years of operations, but that is not the price of the MMRCA competition. That lies between $15 and 20 billion, depending on how many fighters will be procured at the end.
When you take the $30 billion figure to account for Rafale, you can't take the estimated $100 million (but I have some doubts that they can hold that) a piece for Pak Fa / FGFA either, but have to add a lot of things too and that ammount will be by far costlier, especially at the begining.
Of course govt is against reliance doing it and favours HAL .my point is that there is absolutely nothing to be gained for hal in this but a private player would have benefitted heavily and that was good for long term.
Hal has demonstrated amply that it cannot absorb tech at all .also it needs to focus on mki,pakfa and tejas.how can they make 3 -4 diff planes at same time.it will lead to delays again-i am convinced
U are right.
Initial pakfa is also just many times better than a mki.no competition at all.
Stupid decision to wait for 2022 or so
when will this be signed, if ever?
This lame duck Govt can't do nothing
Only hope is that we have a strong & stable govt in Center
By the way who are you voting for
That's what I think as well, but more importantly, it will be important to have a stealth fighter soon, to keep an edge over PAF and keep up with PLAAF. Too bad that IAF rejected it, at least a leasing contranct of 2 x Pak Fa squads would have been great.
I really doubt rafale is worth at 100 million per piece against similarly priced pakfa
And I bet after the slow growth in last 2 years govt is thinking the same
Capability wise it won't, but as a package of operational, industrial and technological benefits it is and that's what M-MRCA is about!