You have tagged the wrong person --- All these mpas mnas sharifs zardaris and our rotten system run by ruling establishment, they all can go to HELL.You should listen to that Bhagora Scumbag Nawaz's todi.
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You have tagged the wrong person --- All these mpas mnas sharifs zardaris and our rotten system run by ruling establishment, they all can go to HELL.You should listen to that Bhagora Scumbag Nawaz's todi.
I dont generally post in these topics but just enquiring,,why n how the medical metaphors u guys r using r representative of Pakistans economy.Historically, Pakistan has always been able to take the first initial steps, followed by abject failures in the basic structural reforms needed. All the aspirin in the world does not help if the many abscesses are not drained.
Let us see how things are different this time around, or not.
I dont generally post in these topics but just enquiring,,why n how the medical metaphors u guys r using r representative of Pakistans economy.
Baseline- i dont claim to have any knowledge about commerce,,,but how the hell fever n abscess represent pak economy.
Ps- treatment continues without handling fever,,,n abscesses r excised ,,no aspirin.
Perhaps i am desi doctor n dont know civilized white medicine
This is definitely good news. But I’m also a bit sceptical as to what this might have cost us, let’s wait till we get a breakdown of what sort of imports have decreased, which exports have increased, and what’s happening with FDI, I’ve been getting worrying news on capital flight and outflows, and not much more than portfolio investments in. We need to know what this current account surplus cost us too, we know it cost us PKR devaluation, inflation and lower growth, but hopefully GFCF and inward investment wasn’t sacrificed too.
Anyway, I hope the economy adjusts to this and then we can get more sustainable growth going forward.
What kinda science is that ?Someone tell this retard that it is because of their attempts to 'engineer' a negative CAD the price of commodities and other items has further skyrocketed and it is the reason that tomatoes are selling for more than Rs. 300/kg.....some achievement indeed!
What is even more sad is the fact that this gimmick works even on the apparently educated.
Or you can say that those self proclaimed "Very Educated" actually don't know sh^t.
The commodities prices are rising because the economy is import based. The growth was fuelled by the imports rather than production to meet the demands of goods and services. The traders are raising the prices.
We also know that traders are dead against IK/PTI because of their efforts to formalise and document the economy.
The thieves know that if this government continues for few more years, eventually they would be caught out and have to cough up tax and penalties for the trillions of rupees they have made through so-called "trade" without every declaring any substantial profits in their official tax returns.
Have you forgotten the tax returns of non other than the greatest scammer, the 3 times PM of Pakistan!
Best Tax Return of his life is still less than my income. And I am just a poor Joe.
Pakistanis had been taken for a ride. Don't you dare talk about economics, about which you know jack all.
This is what Nawaz and his corruption has produced . People with zero understanding of issues but yet mouth bigger than donkey’s.
It should be mandatory for all kids to get proper iodine so no one grows up to be stupid and Patwari.
At the end harvest season tomatoes become expensive due to decrease in supply
In past vegetables were imported from India to decease prices I think patwaris want Pakistan to import tomatoes from India
What kinda science is that ?
I mean you do know simple economics right ?
Tomato prices are high due to two simple reasons
Devaluation
And
Seasonal variation
CAD should be within limits..correction isnt called engineering rather than letting it go high due to artificial high rupee is called engineering
Now i am certian that you know this stuff so its basically denial nothing else..
Please do not FORCE me to defend PML because I am a victim of their neglect of Karachi but just because NS did not pay any income tax, while he was evidently paying WEALTH tax, it does not mean that all PML policies were wrong. Their delivery on road network and power generation alone is commendable.
On the other hand you are claiming that the business community/traders are against PTI and IK; are you so naive to believe that the country can progress through war on traders?????? A sane person does not take traders on, he speaks to them and takes the traders onboard; much like the Bangladeshi PM did and look where their economy is. There are always 2 ways to do thing, the right way, the wrong way...........PTI has only a very few things which they are doing the right way and even there we know who is leading the way.
I don't know why you would assume I don't know about economy when there are renowned economists with different schools of thought. But even if I speak to you as a layman I would tell you that after the latest increment in my salary I am actually taking home less then I was taking home last year and over that my purchasing power has further been reduced by 30% easily. My plans, for the new car, for the upgrade of the house, for investment, for my children's future have all faced setbacks and the honest PTI is responsible for this mess because my life was so much easier, comparatively, under the corrupt N-league. And by 'me' I mean the common Pakistani, including ofcourse myself.
You mean the same corruption of which an iota has NOT been proved just like Imran Khan's poor sister who made billion selling sewing machines?
Sometimes, one must ponder over claims of his 'love affair' rather then post insults because one merely ends up disclosing the family and category to which he belongs.
You guys seriously need to get out of the political mentality and start thinking of Pakistan and your fellow countrymen. When tomatoes become more expensive in Pakistan, we must import just as we export tomatoes and onions when we have surplus. It is as simple as that.
Tomato prices are high because of the Government's stubbornness and reactive approach. They did not allow timely import of tomatoes from Iran (usually it is imported from India) and only allowed import after the hue and cry over Rs. 300 (and now Rs. 400) per kg of Tomatoes.
CAD should indeed be in favour but not at the cost of consumers and larger damage to economy. If I earn X and end up paying X+Y just because the Government wants to manage CAD then what is the point of it all?
I don't know which world you live in, but if you have any sense, you will never write the selfish comments you had above. You may be able to afford car etc. but there are millions upon millions of people in Pakistan, going hungry, dying from minor ailments because the medicines are not available.
A British proverb:At macro level, things do look stable and improving but this needs to be translated at micro level as well like prices of food and other daily use commodities going down.
I was not being selfish, we all have dreams and we all have plans. Some have plans to buy a goat, a sheep or a buffalo while others may have plans to buy a new car, house, yacht or Jet. And I wasn't only speaking about myself, i was speaking for the entire Pakistani nation. The intention was just to try and explain how our dreams, individually and collectively, have been shattered by PTI's 1 year in power. And the entire blame lies on PTI for this entire mess; they could have continued with the same handicaps while fixing things one by one instead of trying to fix everything all at once and wreaking havoc with our lives.........
I know that it cannot get any worse and perhaps that was the real intention of PTI all along to make things worse in the first couple of years so that people remember only the better things when economy and situation starts to stabilize in the last 2 years of the Government, right before elections. My contention is that there is a right way to do the right thing and there is a wrong way to do the right thing; PTI chose the worst way to try and do the right thing and perhaps that too after danda from Daddy.
There was no other way. We were technically bankrupt. What would you do differently? Please suggest:
- current account deficit was expected to be 18-20 billion, we were bleeding 2 billion a month
- fiscal deficit was more than 6% iirc
- we had obligations to pay 11 billion in debt repayment or default which would have been uglier than what we have been through
- rupee was over valued so hampering exports and causing block in recovery in CAD situation
- Net reserves were actually negative
Now tell me what would you have done differently?
To start off, I would have completed my homework before assuming power......and I would have gone to IMF the day I had taken oath.
As for the the rest, it is a repeat cycle after exit of every Government; for reference please look up the state in which PPP Government left the coffers.
Somehow we are always under extreme debt, always on the verge of bankruptcy and always facing threats to our existence both foreign and domestic.
As for your comments on CAD & FD, it was the same under the previous Government but they managed through exports, remittances and loans thereby expanding the economy
as opposed to the current Government which has borrowed even more and has actually managed to shrink the economy (quite possibly the first time in history of Pakistan).
With the previous way of doing things, the exports would eventually have grown with availability of cheap surplus power (which was not available during PMLs 3-4 years due to negligence by Musharraf and PPP) and the expanding economy would have made it much easier to repay the loans.
There was NEVER any serious default situation........even PTI's first Finance Minister thought he could handle the economic affairs without even going to IMF. He could have done that too, but he failed to acknowledge the fact that you do not merely go to the IMF for loans, you go to IMF for reasons different altogether.
Net reserves while Dar was the FM were over 20 Billion USD and stable.
My friend, consider the last 5 years of PML Governance; now make 1 adjustment and assume that the establishment was providing a mere 25% of support to PML of which it is providing to PTI and then imagine the difference in everything it would have made, to our economy, to our internal security and external image etc.
the proble is : If i remember correctly pmln did this too but Pakistani governments in their bid to win elections spend a lot of money on useless stuff. I just PTI wont do that otherwise we will be in that shit again.i start growing hope now
I was not being selfish, we all have dreams and we all have plans. Some have plans to buy a goat, a sheep or a buffalo while others may have plans to buy a new car, house, yacht or Jet. And I wasn't only speaking about myself, i was speaking for the entire Pakistani nation. The intention was just to try and explain how our dreams, individually and collectively, have been shattered by PTI's 1 year in power. And the entire blame lies on PTI for this entire mess; they could have continued with the same handicaps while fixing things one by one instead of trying to fix everything all at once and wreaking havoc with our lives.........
I know that it cannot get any worse and perhaps that was the real intention of PTI all along to make things worse in the first couple of years so that people remember only the better things when economy and situation starts to stabilize in the last 2 years of the Government, right before elections. My contention is that there is a right way to do the right thing and there is a wrong way to do the right thing; PTI chose the worst way to try and do the right thing and perhaps that too after danda from Daddy.
Retrospectively asad umar was right though...Look brother, I understood your intentions. But when we comment here it is not addressed to an individual, it is for everyone who reads it. So my message was aimed at people at large.
Now to answer your points, it is understandable that people have dreams and plans, and they are disappointed if they couldn't fulfil those dreams and plans. I am sure many many millions are disappointed and disillusioned. Understandable entirely.
What you have to think is what could have been the alternatives!! Lets look at it with the spectacles of reality.
1- The Reserves were artificially boosted by Dollar's borrowing at very expense interest rates. They were all short term loans. So in reality the reserves were not even enough to pay one month's import.
2- If IK and the team didn't realised the situation early, Pakistan would have run out of the reserves quickly and could have defaulted on its international commitments.
3- It was a utmost priority to address the issue immediately. Asad Umer had to be scarified because he was not prepared to deal with the dire situation Dar and Butts left Pakistan. The choices were very clear, swallow the bitter pills and face the troubles head on. I am glad PTI did that, because the consequences of the failures were unthinkable.
4- Now the haemorrhaging is stopped, Pakistan can move gradually in to the right directions. There are two different kind of challenging facing the Federal Government at the moment, apart from the development plans and expenditures to stimulate the economy when we are stable.
A- Keep decreasing the imports. Launching initiatives to increase the country's infrastructure and production capabilities. Pakistan has to encourage foreign investors, especially Chinese companies to invest in Pakistan in production plants and facilities. That approach would result in two facet benefits for Pakistan;
i- Decrease the imports, and improve balance of trade/balance of payment crisis, which could have easily destroyed everything.
ii- Increase local industrial capacity that would result in increase in the export, if we concentrate to achieve investment in the fields/industries which would result in increase in exports. Huge potential in dairy farming and deployment of better agricultural techniques could pay huge dividends if agricultural yields increases. There are technologies available which can minimise the water usage and increase the yields.
iii- New agricultural techniques have to be introduced and implemented. We have huge swathe of land in Baluchistan, Sind, South Punjab, and lower KPK which could benefit from new irrigation techniques. Pakistan can increase its agricultural yields and irrigated land by many folds. Chinese had worked on their deserts and turned them in to green pastures, we have to get that technology from the Chinese as a priority. It would save us from water shortages in the future and would increase the available agriculture land by many folds.
B- The exports would increased from the measures stated above. The dual effect would be trade surpluses, surplus in current account, increase in the reserves.
C- The above three effects would improve the Rupee's exchange against Dollar and other currencies. That would bring down the prices.
I hope you understand that to continued what Butts and Dar were doing is suicidal. All Pakistanis should be thankful that IK/PTI are changing course and saving Pakistan from imminent disaster.
Furthermore, Pakistan needs to put emphasis on tax collection, which PTI is rightly doing. That would reduced the budget deficit and eventually would result in surplus.
I don't see anything wrong with PTI's policies. The only snag is that there are many treacherous snakes and crooks in Pakistan who had been making trillions from Pakistan without paying any taxes and making common man's life hell.