Crush F-16

[EagleEyes]

It was a chinese j-11, that is SU-27, and it is no way as advanced as the Russian Su-27, Most radars and avionics supplied to China by the Russians are degraded. Most of the stuff spewd over here are just wishful thinking. And I repeat its ike saying if I put this and that in my slow mobile,lol..it will become a world beater...duhhhh

Ok Philospher. Now its time for you to tell me why Su-27s that Chinese can build are inferior to the original Russian Su-27s.

Thanks.

 

[Adux]

Ok Philospher. Now its time for you to tell me why Su-27s that Chinese can build are inferior to the original Russian Su-27s.

Thanks.

Its always nice to see a Grim Reaper calling me a Philospher

DO you know why the russians have the export versions.

 

[EagleEyes]

Its always nice to see a Grim Reaper calling me a Philospher

DO you know why the russians have the export versions.

Why does anyone have the export versions of the planes. I will wait, so you can point me what you think why the Russians have the export versions.

Again.

Now its time for you to tell me why Su-27s that Chinese can build are inferior to the original Russian Su-27s.

Plus, its a Rider.

 

[Contrarian]

F-16 Block 50 is indeed a totally new aircraft compare to the old versions. However, i still think that J-10 has something that PAF prefers and that is why it is considering to go for it.

Its VERY simply webby, dont get side tracked by nationalism, the real reason why Pakistan is going for J-10 is geo-politics. J-10 is a good fighter, but its CHEAP, there is no fear of SANCTIONS, there would be favourable terms of payment, it would also curry some favour in China. Its not more about capabilties as the things mentioned above. Its certainly a good fighter, but in all honesty its like a Mirage 2000 now, which can be developed a lot better in the future blocks, its just the starting line for J-10 now, but what we tend to forget is by the time new blocks come, the world will also advance to the next stage. J-10 is the PERFECT LO to the F-16, there is no doubt about it. It makes a LOT OF SENSE for Pakistan to buy J-10.

J-10 can face any aircraft. Sukhois, F-18s, F-16s, without any problem. It is no wishful thinking. Hell if it couldn't, why would Chinese not just acquire some more Su-30s. What makes you think that J-10 cannot compete with these fighters?

Its VERY VERY simple again webby. J-10 is developed by China, they want to promote their own a/c, no matter how it is now. It will give a tremendous boost to their indegenous aviation industry which will in turn spew out even better fighters in the future. That is why. India will go for LCA no matter how bad it is, it is again nurturing your own industry.

Chinese already have a lot of Su-30's to meet any threat. Now what they need is to promote their own fighter, any country in the world would do the SAME thing, there are no exceptions.

The J-10 can compete, as any fighter can with any other plane, but it cant match the above mentioned planes 1 for 1 by a good margin.

BTW, the Su-27 was old, becuz the Chinese are trying now to upgrade their Su-27's to some SMT like standard that is for the MiG 29's.

 

[con]

It is not a rumour. It is a freaking fact. J-11 are the advance versions of Su-27 and not the old ones. Their production was stopped because of J-10 development and availability as a much better aircraft. PLAAF uses Su-30MK, Su-30MKK, Su-27, and J-11, all of the sukhois family, and i wont be surprised if they did test aircrafts against each other, especially against the Su-30MKK.

However, electronics needs improvements which i believe if Pakistan wants it. It will use the western avionics with AESA radar.

Alright if not rumours,we still dont have details under what scenarios it was "defeated". I am just putting my arguement in the same way as lot of Pakistani posters refuse to believe that IAF gave a tough tie to USAF in Cope excerises by reasoning that F-15 didnot have AESA on them,etc etc....

Hence I dont believe it until we have more evidence other than some reports saying J-10 walked over Su-27/30 in some excerise etc etc..

Pardon me for my skepticism,but some talk about the British AESA on a chinese built aircraft is difficult to believe. First ofcourse Euro ban and the US pressure.
Second the technical aspects: British radar on Chinese avonics and integrating Russian/Chinese weapons on them? way too much politics/complications involved

What the F? What were you trying to prove? You just wasted my 2 minutes. :wall:

I am just trying to say that advanced avonics and radar and the aircraft's ability to carry them, will out do any "airframe superiority". And we know US avonics are superior.

 

[Muradk]

Hi guys have you seen the SPECIFICATIONS of J-10 VS F-16 Block52.
If not let me know.

 

[Contrarian]

Please do let us know Murad.