What's new

CPEC and Russia’s quest for warm water ports

Devil Soul

ELITE MEMBER
Joined
Jun 28, 2010
Messages
22,931
Reaction score
45
Country
Pakistan
Location
Pakistan
CPEC and Russia’s quest for warm water ports
By Naveed Ahmad
Published: December 13, 2016
3145SHARES
SHARE TWEET EMAIL
Pakistan’s point-man for China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), Ahsan Iqbal, just concluded an exhaustive visit to Moscow. What would have been the point of a sojourn if there was no talk about the corridor and access to the warm waters of the Arabian Sea? A fortnight ago, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif attended the Global Conference on Sustainable Transport in Ashgabat, Turkmenistan. Islamabad not only offered its land route to landlocked Central Asian states but also extended the olive branch to Russia. Moscow tried a different strategy to reach the warm waters of the Arabian Sea for three decades, but spectacularly failed courtesy the Afghans and Pakistan.

Russian foreign ministry denied any negotiations with Pakistan on joining the China-sponsored corridor to the Arabian Sea via the Gwadar port. The federal minister’s visit 10 days later offered a blunt rejoinder. On its part, the Central Asia Regional Economic Cooperation member state showed its willingness to work with Russia, thus the meeting with Maksim Sokolov, the Russian transport minister.

Turbulent ties

Islamabad and Moscow first interacted on the fringes of the UN General Assembly meeting on May 1, 1948, when Foreign Minister Sir Zafarullah Khan met his counterpart. Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto aspired to create a better bargain for Pakistan by wooing Russia, when he first visited the country in 1960 as Minister of Fuel Power and Natural Resources. Later, he remained actively engaged with Moscow as a foreign minister as well. The engagement eventually led to post-1965 war Tashkent Declaration. Kremlin backed Delhi outrightly as it sponsored Bengali secessionist militancy in 1971. Despite this, the controversial populist leader visited Moscow in 1972 as premier. Later, Russia launched a proxy war against Pakistan after it sided with the Afghan resistance against its military intervention as well as the capitalist bloc.

Moscow not mulling to join CPEC: Russian foreign ministry

Following his father’s footstep, Premier Benazir Bhutto tried to warm relations with Russia in 1994-1995. However, political infighting at home and Moscow’s annoyance over the rise of Taliban factored in adversely. Just months prior to the coup, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif visited Russia in 1999. But General Musharraf pressed reset on almost everything the Nawaz government was pursuing, and ties with Russia were no exception.

Since Musharraf’s Russia visit in 2003, relations have steadily improved without considerable turbulence. While almost every Pakistan president or premier has visited Moscow since, none were reciprocated at the same level.

In 2015, commandoes from both sides held war-games, while their navies conducted a joint exercise in the northern Arabian Sea. These increasing comfort levels are leading the two nations to previously unchartered waters, the most notable being the sale of MiG-29’s engines, RD-33, for en masse production and likely export of JF-17 Thunder.

The move was preceded by a deal to buy Russian Mil Mi-35 gunships and electronic warfare equipment. Besides inducting initial deliveries of four rotary-wing aircrafts, Islamabad may order another 16 subject to the platform’s performance and budgetary conditions.

Partnership for mutual benefit

Russia’s prime interest in Pakistan has been investment in the energy sector, symbolised by financing of the 850km North-South (Lahore-Karachi) pipeline to securing investment in the Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline. And it remains to be seen if Moscow agrees to invest in the Thar coal field.

If the overview of complicated bilateral relations can be any guide, both the countries are steadily developing ties but are still far from becoming strategic and economic partners. Russia’s defense cooperation with India is at a far advanced level, which for now remains un-deterred by Delhi’s advances to Washington.

CPEC’s western route: Protests may erupt over unkept promises

Of late, Moscow has not shared India’s hardened position against Pakistan, may it be the BRICS summit in Goa or Heart of Asia conference in Amritsar. Islamabad’s recent abstention on the UN resolution regarding Syria was also an effort to stay out of the Pandora’s box.

The offer to join CPEC is too enticing for Russia to out-rightly reject. Its energy projects, such as the pipeline network, may eventually culminate in Russian oil being shipped to the east and the west from Gwadar port. Even if Kremlin may not benefit from the CPEC in the short term, it won’t back India’s rhetoric against the logistical corridor.

Naveed Ahmad is a Pakistani investigative journalist and academic with extensive reporting experience in the Middle East and North Africa. He is based in Doha and Istanbul. He tweets @naveed360
 
why Russia need warm water port? In past they may needed it for their central asian empire aka colonies.. But now?
 
why Russia need warm water port? In past they may needed it for their central asian empire aka colonies.. But now?
russia has few warm water ports, there is one on easter side vladivostok. But on western /northern side they are
blocked by the ice. As such if they want to trade or flex their naval might in europe it is not possible.

carte_russie_ville.jpg
 
russia has few warm water ports, there is one on easter side vladivostok. But on western /northern side they are
blocked by the ice. As such if they want to trade or flex their naval might in europe it is not possible.

carte_russie_ville.jpg

what route they use for trade with South Asia, ME, Africa? And where our ports fits in Russian future trade strategy?
 
This laughable fantasy was initially sold to the brainwashed and dimwitted Pakistani Awam ( by the Pakistani Army) to justify the sale of Pakistani territory and manpower in support of US imperialism ( CENTO SEATO etc). It received tens of billions from the US whose only purpose was the breakup of the Soviet Union. The US and GHQ carried through with support of a terrorist group, the Taliban, to unravel Russia and its union with Afghanistan as road kill in pursuit of this goal.
Afghanistan was ultimately abandoned by the US when the goal of destroying the Soviet and Union was achieved, Pakistan however decided that the Taliban were the perfect proxy ( Like its other many proxies across South Asia) to keep Afghanistan for itself
That fantasy is still being played out
Russia has no need for a "Pakistani warm water port" that delusion is just for the brainwashed.
Russia never forgot and will never forget Stalingrad, The siege of Moscow the 20 million killed in the second world war.
It has a long term plan to pay back those that wronged them and yes Pakistan does feature in that, EVENTUALLY.

Straight out of bollywood!
 
This laughable fantasy was initially sold to the brainwashed and dimwitted Pakistani Awam ( by the Pakistani Army) to justify the sale of Pakistani territory and manpower in support of US imperialism ( CENTO SEATO etc). It received tens of billions from the US whose only purpose was the breakup of the Soviet Union. The US and GHQ carried through with support of a terrorist group, the Taliban, to unravel Russia and its union with Afghanistan as road kill in pursuit of this goal.
Afghanistan was ultimately abandoned by the US when the goal of destroying the Soviet and Union was achieved, Pakistan however decided that the Taliban were the perfect proxy ( Like its other many proxies across South Asia) to keep Afghanistan for itself
That fantasy is still being played out
Russia has no need for a "Pakistani warm water port" that delusion is just for the brainwashed.
Russia never forgot and will never forget Stalingrad, The siege of Moscow the 20 million killed in the second world war.
It has a long term plan to pay back those that wronged them and yes Pakistan does feature in that, EVENTUALLY.



The biggest laughable fantasy was the one sold by the entire indian establishment pre-May 1998, that Pakistan will NEVER EVER become a nuclear weapons state with or without Chinese assistance. Just as that indian bollywood fantasy failed so will this one :azn:
 
why Russia need warm water port? In past they may needed it for their central asian empire aka colonies.. But now?
There is something called trade...ever heard about that? yeah Russia wants warm water port for that which is open for trade the year round.
 
This laughable fantasy was initially sold to the brainwashed and dimwitted Pakistani Awam ( by the Pakistani Army) to justify the sale of Pakistani territory and manpower in support of US imperialism ( CENTO SEATO etc). It received tens of billions from the US whose only purpose was the breakup of the Soviet Union. The US and GHQ carried through with support of a terrorist group, the Taliban, to unravel Russia and its union with Afghanistan as road kill in pursuit of this goal.
Afghanistan was ultimately abandoned by the US when the goal of destroying the Soviet and Union was achieved, Pakistan however decided that the Taliban were the perfect proxy ( Like its other many proxies across South Asia) to keep Afghanistan for itself
That fantasy is still being played out
Russia has no need for a "Pakistani warm water port" that delusion is just for the brainwashed.
Russia never forgot and will never forget Stalingrad, The siege of Moscow the 20 million killed in the second world war.
It has a long term plan to pay back those that wronged them and yes Pakistan does feature in that, EVENTUALLY.
Never knew u guys (indians) are so fukced up in ur mind vis-à-vis de Pakistan
 
They need it to have economic access to east African Republics, East Asian & Middle East.
 
This laughable fantasy was initially sold to the brainwashed and dimwitted Pakistani Awam ( by the Pakistani Army) to justify the sale of Pakistani territory and manpower in support of US imperialism ( CENTO SEATO etc). It received tens of billions from the US whose only purpose was the breakup of the Soviet Union. The US and GHQ carried through with support of a terrorist group, the Taliban, to unravel Russia and its union with Afghanistan as road kill in pursuit of this goal.
Afghanistan was ultimately abandoned by the US when the goal of destroying the Soviet and Union was achieved, Pakistan however decided that the Taliban were the perfect proxy ( Like its other many proxies across South Asia) to keep Afghanistan for itself
That fantasy is still being played out
Russia has no need for a "Pakistani warm water port" that delusion is just for the brainwashed.
Russia never forgot and will never forget Stalingrad, The siege of Moscow the 20 million killed in the second world war.
It has a long term plan to pay back those that wronged them and yes Pakistan does feature in that, EVENTUALLY.

Wait, didn't India just sign a deal with the US giving it unrestricted access to its military bases? Also your history is pathetic just like your post. Taliban was formed in 1996, before that there were mujahideens that constitute all the factions that are now fighting each other including the Northern Alliance and Pakistan had no hand in Stalingrad or the siege of Moscow because Pakistan didn't exist then.

Please take your nonsense with you to the Indian defence forum which will have the target audience you seek.

Russia need warm water ports.. But why they need a warm water port to access Arabian Sea??
They desperately need access to Mediterranean Sea through black sea (for Europe & Africa).. Cremea annexation & Syria wars are likely for that goal..Turkey is a problem there..
Then they need to access Baltic Sea.. But there is no warm water ports available there..
They have warm water ports in Pacific ocean.. So there is no problem..
For accessing central Asia & thus Arabian Sea they have a better option Iran..
But if they get access of a port in Arabian Sea without any cost, they will accept it.

A sensible post, and yes you raise a valid point and i also agree with your assessment that Russia has better options available to it than the route through Pakistan
 

Back
Top Bottom