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COAS warns foreign states, agencies against involvement in Balochistan

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Oh now I can understand your problem and frustration.Dude not all men are like you.Perhaps have been divorce in multiple times,old man.

I am not even married yet.I am just a teenager compared to you.

And Stay on topic .

you said it.. i knew you were not mature enough.. people like you sudnt come up there and destroy your own country .. many indian's degrade by your immature performance and mentality..
and suggestion if you are not married dont do it .. first you cant second no one would live with you!
 
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@pakdefender @doppelganger @ @Malik Abdullah

No Shit Sherlock

enough nappy talk now behave like adults.

Sir sorry.

But again by a quirk of fate by happenstance perhaps you have hauled me up for the misbehavior of others.

No issues. I know your heart is in the right place.

No. It is not a fact. At the time of partition Baluchistan was not a single entity being ruled by a single person. The were negotiations ibetween MA Jinnah and Baloch leaders who decided to join Pakistan based on that Agreement. Qalat had anassembly and the resolution was being discussed there. Khan of Qalat held meetings with Jinnah and agreed to accession. Most population of Baluch resides around Sibbi the original seat of Baluch power (read 30 years Baloch war). They agreed to accession immediately. Then there are areas of Sindh and Punjab who hold majority Baloch population. All of them joined.

First conflict 1948 (the term War of Independence is used by some for all 5 separate "conflicts" and by others only for the one in the 70 and the second in the first decade of this century. Depending on the respective allegiances and lyalties, this term is therefore used interchangeably. Baloch nationalists thus refer to the war of 1973 as Fourth War of Independence, while other more leaning towards the state of Pakistan refer to it as the firs full blown War of Independence.

Be that as it may, Balochistan consisted of four princely states under the British Raj. Three of these, Makran, Las Bela and Kharan willingly joined with Pakistan in 1947 after Independence. The Khan of Kalat, Ahmed Yaar Khan chose Independence as this was one of the options given to all of the 535 princely states by Clement Attlee. Shortly after Pakistan's Independence in 1947, the Pakistan Army began operations to subdue Kalat-based insurgents who had rejected the King of Kalat's decision to accede to Pakistan.

You claim legitimacy of accession of the ruler in the case of Balochistan. Ignoring the will of the people.

And you do exactly the opposite for Kashmir? Exactly diametrically a polar reversal!


Joining Pakistan is not contested by even separatist. They are of the view that Federal Govt did not give what was promised by Jinnah. Jinnah commands a lot of respect among Baloch btw. It is that wilful accession to Pakistan that gives legitimacy to Balochistan as being part of Pakistan.

Second conflict 1958–59

Nawab Nowroz Khan took up arms in resistance to the One Unit policy, which decreased government representation for tribal leaders. He and his followers started a guerrilla war against Pakistan, and were arrested, charged with treason, and imprisoned in Hyderabad. Five of his family members (sons and nephews) were subsequently hanged under charges of treason and aiding in the murder of Pakistani troops. Nawab Nowroz Khan later died in captivity.

Third conflict 1963–69

After the second conflict, the federal government tasked the Pakistan Army with building several new bases in key areas of Balochistan. Sher Muhammad Bijrani Marri led like-minded militants into guerrilla warfare by creating their own insurgent bases, spread out over 45,000 miles (72,000 km) of land, from the Mengal tribal area in the south to the Marri and Bugti tribal areas in the north. Their goal was to force Pakistan to share revenue generated from the Sui gas fields with the tribal leaders. The insurgents bombed railway tracks and ambushed convoys. The Army retaliated by destroying vast areas of the Marri tribe's land. This insurgency ended in 1969, with the Baloch separatists agreeing to a ceasefire. In 1970 Pakistani President Yahya Khan abolished the "One Unit" policy,[33] which led to the recognition of Balochistan as the fourth province of West Pakistan (present-day Pakistan), including all the Balochistani princely states, the High Commissioners Province, and Gwadar, an 800 km2 coastal area purchased from Oman by the Pakistani government.
Most of tribes in favour of separation? Come to my tribe. Little do people know (including Pakistanis) that Balochistan erupted with rallies in support of Pakistan army in war of 1965. If they wanted separation there was no better chance than 1971 when Pakistan was downboth militarily and internationally. We did not and we would not. People here know Balochistan separts we willbeworst than Yemen. Located at a straegic location we will bebattleground for Pakistan, Iran, Arabs, China, India, US, Afghanistan and Russia. All fighting to turn it in their Satellite state. You and me know what happens then to people of such countries. So thanks we are Pakistanis and shall remain so always. We won't hand over our lands to foreigners.

I will come to your point of the people not rising in 1971 in my next post .....

Most of tribes in favour of separation? Come to my tribe. Little do people know (including Pakistanis) that Balochistan erupted with rallies in support of Pakistan army in war of 1965. If they wanted separation there was no better chance than 1971 when Pakistan was downboth militarily and internationally. We did not and we would not. People here know Balochistan separts we willbeworst than Yemen. Located at a straegic location we will bebattleground for Pakistan, Iran, Arabs, China, India, US, Afghanistan and Russia. All fighting to turn it in their Satellite state. You and me know what happens then to people of such countries. So thanks we are Pakistanis and shall remain so always. We won't hand over our lands to foreigners.

Fourth conflict 1973–77

In 1973, citing treason, President Bhutto dismissed the provincial governments of Balochistan and NWFP and imposed martial law in those areas, which led to armed insurgency. Khair Baksh Marri formed the Balochistan People's Liberation Front (BPLF), which led large numbers of Marri and Mengal tribesmen into guerrilla warfare against the central government. According to some authors, the Pakistani military lost 300 to 400 soldiers during the conflict with the Balochi separatists, while between 7,300 and 9,000 Balochi militants and civilians were killed.

1970s operation in Balochistan

1970s operation in Balochistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is very obvious from the above that 1971 created ripples that reverberated till Balochistan and even Iran.

Ripples that continue unabated till this day.

I do wish @Irfan Baloch would also participate in this thread as a member and not only as a mod. We could really benefit from his on the ground experience as part of the state but one who is a baloch as well.
 
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RAW chief will be pissing his pants munna tera din gaai tu kamasutra daikha and RAW ki job choor

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You're funny!!
 
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I think people here have really short memory, India has not one but two units working in Pakistan i.e. RAW and a younger TSD (Tactical Support Division). And These are not just the two, probably Khaad as well as Iranians. If we'd remember a while ago, even the Danish or Swedish -Dont remember precisely- agency was also active. So was the German Intel.
 
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Of course we knows that.'Pakistanis are indeed suicidal' That is why I said that we dont need to interfere in anywhere.

hum to doobain hain sanam tum ko bhi le ke jain gye :)
even if there is no issue left :) hehehe
 
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Sir sorry.

But again by a quirk of fate by happenstance perhaps you have hauled me up for the misbehavior of others.

No issues. I know your heart is in the right place.



First conflict 1948 (the term War of Independence is used by some for all 5 separate "conflicts" and by others only for the one in the 70 and the second in the first decade of this century. Depending on the respective allegiances and lyalties, this term is therefore used interchangeably. Baloch nationalists thus refer to the war of 1973 as Fourth War of Independence, while other more leaning towards the state of Pakistan refer to it as the firs full blown War of Independence.

Be that as it may, Balochistan consisted of four princely states under the British Raj. Three of these, Makran, Las Bela and Kharan willingly joined with Pakistan in 1947 after Independence. The Khan of Kalat, Ahmed Yaar Khan chose Independence as this was one of the options given to all of the 535 princely states by Clement Attlee. Shortly after Pakistan's Independence in 1947, the Pakistan Army began operations to subdue Kalat-based insurgents who had rejected the King of Kalat's decision to accede to Pakistan.

You claim legitimacy of accession of the ruler in the case of Balochistan. Ignoring the will of the people.

And you do exactly the opposite for Kashmir? Exactly diametrically a polar reversal!




Second conflict 1958–59

Nawab Nowroz Khan took up arms in resistance to the One Unit policy, which decreased government representation for tribal leaders. He and his followers started a guerrilla war against Pakistan, and were arrested, charged with treason, and imprisoned in Hyderabad. Five of his family members (sons and nephews) were subsequently hanged under charges of treason and aiding in the murder of Pakistani troops. Nawab Nowroz Khan later died in captivity.

Third conflict 1963–69

After the second conflict, the federal government tasked the Pakistan Army with building several new bases in key areas of Balochistan. Sher Muhammad Bijrani Marri led like-minded militants into guerrilla warfare by creating their own insurgent bases, spread out over 45,000 miles (72,000 km) of land, from the Mengal tribal area in the south to the Marri and Bugti tribal areas in the north. Their goal was to force Pakistan to share revenue generated from the Sui gas fields with the tribal leaders. The insurgents bombed railway tracks and ambushed convoys. The Army retaliated by destroying vast areas of the Marri tribe's land. This insurgency ended in 1969, with the Baloch separatists agreeing to a ceasefire. In 1970 Pakistani President Yahya Khan abolished the "One Unit" policy,[33] which led to the recognition of Balochistan as the fourth province of West Pakistan (present-day Pakistan), including all the Balochistani princely states, the High Commissioners Province, and Gwadar, an 800 km2 coastal area purchased from Oman by the Pakistani government.
Most of tribes in favour of separation? Come to my tribe. Little do people know (including Pakistanis) that Balochistan erupted with rallies in support of Pakistan army in war of 1965. If they wanted separation there was no better chance than 1971 when Pakistan was downboth militarily and internationally. We did not and we would not. People here know Balochistan separts we willbeworst than Yemen. Located at a straegic location we will bebattleground for Pakistan, Iran, Arabs, China, India, US, Afghanistan and Russia. All fighting to turn it in their Satellite state. You and me know what happens then to people of such countries. So thanks we are Pakistanis and shall remain so always. We won't hand over our lands to foreigners.

I will come to your point of the people not rising in 1971 in my next post .....



Fourth conflict 1973–77

In 1973, citing treason, President Bhutto dismissed the provincial governments of Balochistan and NWFP and imposed martial law in those areas, which led to armed insurgency. Khair Baksh Marri formed the Balochistan People's Liberation Front (BPLF), which led large numbers of Marri and Mengal tribesmen into guerrilla warfare against the central government. According to some authors, the Pakistani military lost 300 to 400 soldiers during the conflict with the Balochi separatists, while between 7,300 and 9,000 Balochi militants and civilians were killed.

1970s operation in Balochistan

1970s operation in Balochistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is very obvious from the above that 1971 created ripples that reverberated till Balochistan and even Iran.

Ripples that continue unabated till this day.

I do wish @Irfan Baloch would also participate in this thread as a member and not only as a mod. We could really benefit from his on the ground experience as part of the state but one who is a baloch as well.

You are young and very far away from the region you are talking about. I am not sure about the source you are quoting from but I can immediately see how less it knows about Balochistan.

Nauroz Khan was not a Nawab. He held no title. The title Baloch Chieftain could be Meer, Sardar, Nawab or Tumandar. He did not have any of it. Most Baloch call him Chacha Nauroz, as an elder. He led a small rebellion and a strength of no more than Battalion overwhelmed them. He surrendered to a Pak Army Major and was tried for treason. The incident and the rebellion was so small in scale that most other tribes came to know years later!

When we talk of an area of the size of Texas then these incidents don't represent rebellion. I know very well how much water this so called sentiment holds. If this sentiment had any popular support they would be asking Refrendum and so would India. Why they never say that? Because they will loose miserably. Only places where it holds any ground is Marri, Bugti and Mengal tribes. Jamali and Leghari tribes are 10 times their numbers and dead loyal to Pakistan!
 
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Lol :lol .Dont cry like this .I dont mean to harm you emotionally :D.
Read my post again.Compared to YOU I am.just a teenager.When compared to normal person I am just a college youth .
But your are too matured with multiple divorce.:D.Pakistan needs old guys like you for F up ,something that is still going on while we talking about .
you said it.. i knew you were not mature enough.. people like you sudnt come up there and destroy your own country .. many indian's degrade by your immature performance and mentality..
and suggestion if you are not married dont do it .. first you cant second no one would live with you!

That was China ,a totally different nation that dont have any relation with Pakistan except friendly relation.
And we repayed that debt dealy in 1967 and 1987 :D
Can they also search 1962
 
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Lol :lol .Dont cry like this .I dont mean to harm you emotionally :D.
Read my post again.Compared to YOU I am.just a teenager.When compared to normal person I am just a college youth .
But your are too matured with multiple divorce.:D.Pakistan needs old guys like you for F up ,something that is still going on while we talking about .


That was China ,a totally different nation that dont have any relation with Pakistan except friendly relation.
And we repayed that debt dealy in 1967 and 1987 :D

And that was Bangladesh with whole of India in between.
 
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