CNN: China delegate hits back at Trump's climate change hoax claims

[Shotgunner51]

China delegate hits back at Trump's climate change hoax claims
By Angela Dewan and Serenitie Wang, CNN
Updated 1718 GMT (0118 HKT) November 17, 2016

(CNN) Beijing has turned the tables on US President-elect Donald Trump over his accusation that climate change is a Chinese hoax, claiming that it was the Republican's own party that initiated global warming negotiations.

Trump in 2012 infamously claimed China had created the concept of climate change to make America's manufacturing sector less competitive, dubbing the global phenomenon "bulls**t" and "non-existent".

The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 6, 2012

We can't destroy the competitiveness of our factories in order to prepare for nonexistent global warming. China is thrilled with us!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 5, 2012

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During international climate change talks in Marrakech on Wednesday, Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Liu Zhenmin reminded reporters that climate change negotiations began with the UN's International Panel for Climate Change in the 1980s, supported by the US Republican-led administrations under Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush.

It was the EU and the US who brought full climate change awareness to China, he said, according to notes sent to CNN by a Chinese delegate traveling with him.​

Liu reiterated that climate change was not a hoax and that it was possible for Republicans to continue to support the process of addressing it, the delegate said.​

The comments are something of a slap in the face to Trump, who painted China as an enemy of America, claiming the Asian powerhouse was "taking our jobs and taking our money".​

US Secretary of State John Kerry tried to reassure delegates on Washington's stance on climate change.

"I know the election has left some uncertainty about the future. I can't speculate about what policies the President-elect will pursue, but I've learned that some issues look a little bit different when you're in office compared to campaign. Climate change should not be a partisan issue in the first place," he said in Marrakech.​

"No one has a right to make decisions that affect billions based solely on ideology or without proper input," he said.​

China and the US are the world's biggest emitters of greenhouse gases that are causing the earth's temperatures to rise, according to UN data.

The two powers were not signatories to the Kyoto protocol that obliged developed nations to cut emissions by a certain percentage between the years 2005 and 2020.

The US refused to sign the protocol and any other such binding agreement unless China was included.
The two nations did, however, sign the Paris agreement in climate change talks last year, which involves both developed and developing countries. It aims to keep the world's rise in temperatures to 1.5 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels and to create a carbon-neutral world by 2100.

Trump has said he plans to dump the agreement, which he described as a "bad deal."

Scientists say a 2-degree Celsius rise would be dangerous for the planet.


Can America dump the Paris agreement?

Liu capped off his comments on America by saying the country should be more positive on climate change, considering it had a huge market from green energy and the technology to prosper from a low-carbon economy.

Former US Special Envoy for Climate Change Todd Stern -- considered the architect of President Barack Obama's climate strategy -- said that it would take the United States at least four years to formally pull out of the Paris agreement if Trump did gain support to do so.

"What President-elect Trump could do is to essentially de facto walk away from it. And that would be a hugely bad idea on his part -- it would be foolish," Stern told CNN's Robyn Curnow in an interview with "International Desk," to air Friday.​

He also said that shunning the agreement would create "collateral damage" for the United States, and that it was "completely plausible" that China could step in as leader of climate change talks in the US' place.​

"I think the Chinese have made it clear and, to their credit, that they intend to stick by this agreement and to push it forward," he said.​

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/17/africa/china-climate-change-hoax-us-trump/index.html

 

[powastick]

China delegate hits back at Trump's climate change hoax claims
By Angela Dewan and Serenitie Wang, CNN
Updated 1718 GMT (0118 HKT) November 17, 2016

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(CNN) Beijing has turned the tables on US President-elect Donald Trump over his accusation that climate change is a Chinese hoax, claiming that it was the Republican's own party that initiated global warming negotiations.

Trump in 2012 infamously claimed China had created the concept of climate change to make America's manufacturing sector less competitive, dubbing the global phenomenon "bulls**t" and "non-existent".

The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 6, 2012

We can't destroy the competitiveness of our factories in order to prepare for nonexistent global warming. China is thrilled with us!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 5, 2012

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During international climate change talks in Marrakech on Wednesday, Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Liu Zhenmin reminded reporters that climate change negotiations began with the UN's International Panel for Climate Change in the 1980s, supported by the US Republican-led administrations under Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush.

It was the EU and the US who brought full climate change awareness to China, he said, according to notes sent to CNN by a Chinese delegate traveling with him.​

Liu reiterated that climate change was not a hoax and that it was possible for Republicans to continue to support the process of addressing it, the delegate said.​

The comments are something of a slap in the face to Trump, who painted China as an enemy of America, claiming the Asian powerhouse was "taking our jobs and taking our money".​

US Secretary of State John Kerry tried to reassure delegates on Washington's stance on climate change.

"I know the election has left some uncertainty about the future. I can't speculate about what policies the President-elect will pursue, but I've learned that some issues look a little bit different when you're in office compared to campaign. Climate change should not be a partisan issue in the first place," he said in Marrakech.​

"No one has a right to make decisions that affect billions based solely on ideology or without proper input," he said.​

China and the US are the world's biggest emitters of greenhouse gases that are causing the earth's temperatures to rise, according to UN data.

The two powers were not signatories to the Kyoto protocol that obliged developed nations to cut emissions by a certain percentage between the years 2005 and 2020.

The US refused to sign the protocol and any other such binding agreement unless China was included.
The two nations did, however, sign the Paris agreement in climate change talks last year, which involves both developed and developing countries. It aims to keep the world's rise in temperatures to 1.5 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels and to create a carbon-neutral world by 2100.

Trump has said he plans to dump the agreement, which he described as a "bad deal."

Scientists say a 2-degree Celsius rise would be dangerous for the planet.


Can America dump the Paris agreement?

Liu capped off his comments on America by saying the country should be more positive on climate change, considering it had a huge market from green energy and the technology to prosper from a low-carbon economy.

Former US Special Envoy for Climate Change Todd Stern -- considered the architect of President Barack Obama's climate strategy -- said that it would take the United States at least four years to formally pull out of the Paris agreement if Trump did gain support to do so.

"What President-elect Trump could do is to essentially de facto walk away from it. And that would be a hugely bad idea on his part -- it would be foolish," Stern told CNN's Robyn Curnow in an interview with "International Desk," to air Friday.​

He also said that shunning the agreement would create "collateral damage" for the United States, and that it was "completely plausible" that China could step in as leader of climate change talks in the US' place.​

"I think the Chinese have made it clear and, to their credit, that they intend to stick by this agreement and to push it forward," he said.​

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/17/africa/china-climate-change-hoax-us-trump/index.html

Carbon tax and sanction against rogue state.

 

[AndrewJin]

Carbon tax and sanction against rouge state.

Good news for China, green energy is becoming increasingly affordable now.

 

[GeraltofRivia]

OK, it appears that China has to lead the world in fighting global warming.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Boooom. And suddenly China is more sympathetic than the US.

 

[Dungeness]

China delegate hits back at Trump's climate change hoax claims
By Angela Dewan and Serenitie Wang, CNN
Updated 1718 GMT (0118 HKT) November 17, 2016

View attachment 353031

(CNN) Beijing has turned the tables on US President-elect Donald Trump over his accusation that climate change is a Chinese hoax, claiming that it was the Republican's own party that initiated global warming negotiations.

Trump in 2012 infamously claimed China had created the concept of climate change to make America's manufacturing sector less competitive, dubbing the global phenomenon "bulls**t" and "non-existent".

The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 6, 2012

We can't destroy the competitiveness of our factories in order to prepare for nonexistent global warming. China is thrilled with us!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 5, 2012

View attachment 353032
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During international climate change talks in Marrakech on Wednesday, Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Liu Zhenmin reminded reporters that climate change negotiations began with the UN's International Panel for Climate Change in the 1980s, supported by the US Republican-led administrations under Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush.

It was the EU and the US who brought full climate change awareness to China, he said, according to notes sent to CNN by a Chinese delegate traveling with him.​

Liu reiterated that climate change was not a hoax and that it was possible for Republicans to continue to support the process of addressing it, the delegate said.​

The comments are something of a slap in the face to Trump, who painted China as an enemy of America, claiming the Asian powerhouse was "taking our jobs and taking our money".​

US Secretary of State John Kerry tried to reassure delegates on Washington's stance on climate change.

"I know the election has left some uncertainty about the future. I can't speculate about what policies the President-elect will pursue, but I've learned that some issues look a little bit different when you're in office compared to campaign. Climate change should not be a partisan issue in the first place," he said in Marrakech.​

"No one has a right to make decisions that affect billions based solely on ideology or without proper input," he said.​

China and the US are the world's biggest emitters of greenhouse gases that are causing the earth's temperatures to rise, according to UN data.

The two powers were not signatories to the Kyoto protocol that obliged developed nations to cut emissions by a certain percentage between the years 2005 and 2020.

The US refused to sign the protocol and any other such binding agreement unless China was included.
The two nations did, however, sign the Paris agreement in climate change talks last year, which involves both developed and developing countries. It aims to keep the world's rise in temperatures to 1.5 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels and to create a carbon-neutral world by 2100.

Trump has said he plans to dump the agreement, which he described as a "bad deal."

Scientists say a 2-degree Celsius rise would be dangerous for the planet.


Can America dump the Paris agreement?

Liu capped off his comments on America by saying the country should be more positive on climate change, considering it had a huge market from green energy and the technology to prosper from a low-carbon economy.

Former US Special Envoy for Climate Change Todd Stern -- considered the architect of President Barack Obama's climate strategy -- said that it would take the United States at least four years to formally pull out of the Paris agreement if Trump did gain support to do so.

"What President-elect Trump could do is to essentially de facto walk away from it. And that would be a hugely bad idea on his part -- it would be foolish," Stern told CNN's Robyn Curnow in an interview with "International Desk," to air Friday.​

He also said that shunning the agreement would create "collateral damage" for the United States, and that it was "completely plausible" that China could step in as leader of climate change talks in the US' place.​

"I think the Chinese have made it clear and, to their credit, that they intend to stick by this agreement and to push it forward," he said.​

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/17/africa/china-climate-change-hoax-us-trump/index.html

Is CNN trying to make the President-Elect look like an idiot, or assume the world he IS an idiot?

 

[ahojunk]

My observation / opinion:-

- the recent US presidential elections has exposed deep division that was simmering all along.

- great chance for China to lead the world with renewable and green energy industry.

Carbon tax and sanction against rogue state.

- LOL, what? A taste of one's own medicine. But this is not likely to happen, US is a superpower.

 

[TaiShang]

In fact, we can outsource some of the heavy and polluting industries like textile to the US to help Mr. Trump with his promise to give every one of the millions of uneducated and under-talented jobless US person a decent job.

Of course the US, as much as any body else, can compete China in clean energy investment and technology. The best will win eventually.

Therefore, we can redirect some of the industries that leave China for "dirtier" pastures to the US, in all sincerity. This way, we keep our promise of helping global ecology and Trump keeps his promise of giving every US person a job.

Win-win.

 

[Akasa]

OK, it appears that China has to lead the world in fighting global warming.

Ironically, it is the Chinese who are the biggest contributors to pollution. While Trump's comment may be a bit short-sighted, the blame that has been heaped on China isn't unjustified.

 

[TaiShang]

Ironically, it is the Chinese who are the biggest contributors to pollution. While Trump's comment may be a bit short-sighted, the blame that has been heaped on China isn't unjustified.

China will pollute as much as its development and prosperity requires. China, does not in the business of saving the world. Save the world is Obama's job).

By the way, nevertheless, here is in your face and sub-par logic:

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Premier Li urges greening China's energy mix
Xinhua, November 18, 2016

Chinese Premier Li Keqiang has called for China's energy mix to be more in tune with the sustainable development of the economy.

Addressing a meeting of the State Energy Commission in Beijing on November 17, Chinese Premier Li Keqiang says China should foster an energy system that is clean, low-carbon, secure and efficient. [Xinhua]

Addressing a meeting of the State Energy Commission on Thursday, Li said China should foster an energy system that is clean, low-carbon, secure and efficient.

"Given the profound changes in the global energy sector and a burgeoning technological revolution, China, as a major energy producer and consumer, must seize the opportunity [...] to optimize our energy structure and fix weak areas, including restrictions of resources and the environment, low quality and efficiency, poor infrastructure, and a lack of core technology," Li said.

China still relies on coal for nearly two thirds of its power supply, making the greening of the energy supply both necessary and urgent.

A plan approved at the meeting on development of the energy sector until 2020 highlights clean coal and new energy technology.

Li urged promoting cleaner and more efficient utilization of coal, which he said is the foremost task in transformation of the energy sector, and called for accelerating the development of hydro, wind, solar and biomass energy.

Nuclear energy shall be developed in safe and efficient way, he said.

Major sectors such as industrial production, construction and transportation must save energy and reduce emissions, Li said.

Outdated production facilities will be upgraded or closed down, according to the premier.

He said the government will actively support private companies to enter the energy sector, currently dominated by state-owned enterprises.

He also called for deepening international cooperation in the energy sector.

 

[Akasa]

China will pollute as much as its development and prosperity requires. China, does not in the business of saving the world. Save the world is Obama's job).

By the way, nevertheless, here is in your face and sub-par logic:


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Premier Li urges greening China's energy mix
Xinhua, November 18, 2016

Chinese Premier Li Keqiang has called for China's energy mix to be more in tune with the sustainable development of the economy.

Addressing a meeting of the State Energy Commission in Beijing on November 17, Chinese Premier Li Keqiang says China should foster an energy system that is clean, low-carbon, secure and efficient. [Xinhua]

Addressing a meeting of the State Energy Commission on Thursday, Li said China should foster an energy system that is clean, low-carbon, secure and efficient.

"Given the profound changes in the global energy sector and a burgeoning technological revolution, China, as a major energy producer and consumer, must seize the opportunity [...] to optimize our energy structure and fix weak areas, including restrictions of resources and the environment, low quality and efficiency, poor infrastructure, and a lack of core technology," Li said.

China still relies on coal for nearly two thirds of its power supply, making the greening of the energy supply both necessary and urgent.

A plan approved at the meeting on development of the energy sector until 2020 highlights clean coal and new energy technology.

Li urged promoting cleaner and more efficient utilization of coal, which he said is the foremost task in transformation of the energy sector, and called for accelerating the development of hydro, wind, solar and biomass energy.

Nuclear energy shall be developed in safe and efficient way, he said.

Major sectors such as industrial production, construction and transportation must save energy and reduce emissions, Li said.

Outdated production facilities will be upgraded or closed down, according to the premier.

He said the government will actively support private companies to enter the energy sector, currently dominated by state-owned enterprises.

He also called for deepening international cooperation in the energy sector.

The pie chart that you've posted corroborates with my point; the Chinese are the biggest contributors to global pollution. The United States see no rationale in curbing its own emissions and paying fees to the UNFCCC if the Chinese choose to be less stringent.

 

[GeraltofRivia]

Ironically, it is the Chinese who are the biggest contributors to pollution. While Trump's comment may be a bit short-sighted, the blame that has been heaped on China isn't unjustified.

I dont think China dodges the fact and her responsibility, which is the reason why she joined Paris agreement with the intention to manage emission. She has been honoring her commitment by actions while another major emissioner is looking for excuse to back out.

 

[TaiShang]

The pie chart that you've posted corroborates with my point; the Chinese are the biggest contributors to global pollution. The United States see no rationale in curbing its own emissions and paying fees to the UNFCCC if the Chinese choose to be less stringent.

Not in historical terms. For example, you Indians still do have a good chance of (and responsibility for) further development, hence, are more entitled to pollute than the developed west which has already used up their quote of polluting the environment for economic growth.

The climate change talks are based this general understanding although China appears to be assuming more responsibility than it normally has to.

I dont think China dodges the fact and her responsibility, which is the reason why she joined Paris agreement with the intention to manage emission. She has been honoring her commitment by actions while another major emissioner is looking for excuse to back out.

Nonetheless, the agreement also recognizes the difference between developed and developing countries, and ascribes more responsibility on those who are already developed and enjoy the fruits of complete industrialization.

Developing countries still need development and improvement in their lives.

 

[ahojunk]

The climate change talks are based this general understanding although China appears to be assuming more responsibility than it normally has to.

.
When it comes to managing climate change, it is generally acknowledged by most that
China under promises but always over delivers on its commitments.

That's a sign of a leader.

You can't be a leader and call the shots when you are trying to backout on your commitments.