Chinese Z19 facts and export predictions

[Muhammad Omar]

Why Don't FC and Rangers Buy these Heli's will help a lot in Balochistan Counter Terrorism operations and Against Afghanistan and to provide Security for the CPEC projects

WZ-19 with Z-11 WB heli Perfect for Balochistan

 

[Zarvan]

Why Don't FC and Rangers Buy these Heli's will help a lot in Balochistan Counter Terrorism operations and Against Afghanistan and to provide Security for the CPEC projects

WZ-19 with Z-11 WB heli Perfect for Balochistan

In future as economy improves and budget increases yes they should be equipped with Attack Helicopters

 

[HAIDER]

Why Don't FC and Rangers Buy these Heli's will help a lot in Balochistan Counter Terrorism operations and Against Afghanistan and to provide Security for the CPEC projects

WZ-19 with Z-11 WB heli Perfect for Balochistan

Drone and armed Mashak is best solution right now.

 

[帅的一匹]

Drone is better

well, look fine with medium strike capability. It low cost and low maintenance . But, yes its missing gun and its huge drawback. May be adopt later.

Pak Fennec use detachable gun

The payload capacity of Z19E is not bad, and it's not expensive about 6 million Per.

The price of T129 dooms that Pakistan army won't induct it in very large number.

 

[DJ_Viper]

Drone and armed Mashak is best solution right now.

I agree. But, I never understood this very point about Mashak and other platforms like the K-8. You guys build the Mashak. Why not arm it like the one US gave to the Afghans? You own your platform, just add ATGM's to it, which you guys easily can. Plus, create a bigger variant of Mashak with two engines on the Wing and expanded airframe to carry a few people with more oil storage. That can serve as an excellent platform for cheaper AEW as you'd only need a Radar from the Chinese to mount on, and that shouldn't be too bad. Add a naval variant too with a MAD and Sonar, and you get a great yet super cheap platform you can internally build and mass produce and enhance as need be. The possibility of mass producing these by using Western or advance Chinese sensors for these operations, is awesome. And you own the platform. How cool is that? But how come no one does these things as they are cheap to do and don't require significant R&D.

I've been proposing for many years that K-8 be upgraded to serve as a light jet point defense and ground attack aircraft. And its now coming true. Why not pay attention to these things internally and builder cheaper yet capable platforms internally?

 

[帅的一匹]

The current output of type 9 turbo shaft engine increases from 1000HP to 1300HP, and let's looking forward to Turbomeca ArdidenIII/Type16 Turboshaft engine with 1600HP. Steady progress.

@HAIDER what is the price of T129?

We all know that Armed helicopter is like flying coffin and vulnerable to manpads. Quantity matters, my two cents. I wish China could invest more in UAV than helicopters.

The original prototype of Z10 with HP PT6c engine. Very sad the engine supply being cut off by USA. Thanks God we never give it up, Type 16 Turboshaft is incoming.

 

[HAIDER]

The current output of type 9 turbo shaft engine increases from 1000HP to 1300HP, and let's looking forward to Turbomeca ArdidenIII/Type16 Turboshaft engine with 1600HP. Steady progress.

@HAIDER what is the price of T129?

We all know that Armed helicopter is like flying coffin and vulnerable to manpads. Quantity matters, my two cents. I wish China could invest more in UAV than helicopters.

View attachment 403345 The original prototype of Z10 with HP PT6c engine. Very sad the engine supply being cut off by USA. Thanks God we never give it up, Type 16 Turboshaft is incoming.

No one knows the export price of T129. As you know price assess on number of machine produce. What type of maintenance package is offered.

 

[-------]

Yes, but engine and avionic issue is not resolved. Where China is importing engine with TOT without any problem.

I understand Pakistani concerns for engines, those concerns have not been confirmed officially to be an issue, yet. But what's the concern on the Avionics? I would say Turkish Avionics which is developed to western standards and officiated by Augusta Westland for T-129 platform is better then anything China can offer. I mean, there is a reason why Pakistan prefers western platforms to Chinese, but for political reasons has to go Chinese.

 

[HAIDER]

I understand Pakistani concerns for engines, those concerns have not been confirmed officially to be an issue, yet. But what's the concern on the Avionics? I would say Turkish Avionics which is developed to western standards and officiated by Augusta Westland for T-129 platform is better then anything China can offer. I mean, there is a reason why Pakistan prefers western platforms to Chinese, but for political reasons has to go Chinese.

Right avionics can be develop with passage of time per regional requirements. But, engine is main issue. Because Turkish built the helo according to engine specs. If engine is changed then whole structure will be re modified. Because, with helo engine will be over power or under power and you know both are bad. Anyway, hopefully Turkey built own engine or work with any other country which has good background in this field.

 

[ZY-CN-CA]

I don't think so ,becasue PK aready have many types of helicopters ,don't need too much Z19,only few Z19 will bring logistics and maintenance costs.maybe CH-4 is a good choose.（Cost-effective），what do you think?

 

[HAIDER]

I don't think so ,becasue PK aready have many types of helicopters ,don't need too much Z19,only few Z19 will bring logistics and maintenance costs.maybe CH-4 is a good choose.（Cost-effective），what do you think?

May be , its my guess , Z19 might be deployed on CPEC route in Baluchistan and financed by Chinese govt.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Those can be handled eventually, the T-129 is simply a much mucb better product

The other issue is that the scouting and light attack role is assumed by the Fennec. It seems the Army is content with the Fennec for that role, preferring that its new attack helos maintain good TWR with weapons. It's a sharp bifurcation, much like the US Army and USMC.