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Chinese Vaccine: Does It Benefit Indonesia?

Muhammad Rakhmat M Habib Pashya
14 November 2020
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A doctor shows the box of a COVID-19 coronavirus vaccine produced by Chinese company Sinovac Biotech at Sao Lucas Hospital in Porto Alegre, southern Brazil. (AFP Photo)

Indonesia has the largest number of COVID-19 infections in Southeast Asia. As a solution, the populous ASEAN member state has tried to obtain a vaccine as a way to minimise the spread of the coronavirus in its population of over 273.5 million.

The recent visit of the Coordinating Minister for Maritime Affairs and Investment, Luhut Binsar Panjaitan to China is one of Indonesia's steps to obtain a vaccine from the country. In fact, the government in Beijing has stated that it wants to make Indonesia a vaccine hub in Southeast Asia.

Foreign Minister, Wang Yi has said that China "will continue to increase cooperation, especially sharing technology and experience, so that Indonesia can become a vaccine production centre in the Southeast Asia region."


Until now, Indonesia has been used as a trial site for vaccine development by Chinese firm, Sinovac, which has collaborated with local vaccine and serum manufacturer, Bio Farma.

Although some say that China-Indonesia cooperation on vaccine development would benefit Indonesia, the latter needs to be careful given China's limited experience in vaccine production. And even if the outcome is successful, it would only increase Indonesia's dependence on China.

China Has No Experience

Vaccine production is expected to improve China's image on the international stage.

However, historically China has a negative record in developing vaccines.

A major incident occurred in 2018, when 200,000 children inadvertently became guinea pigs for a failed diphtheria vaccine used for cough and tetanus. The Institute of Biological Products was also penalised for incorrectly administering the manufacturing procedure for its 2016 DPT vaccine, a combination vaccine against three infectious diseases in humans: diphtheria, pertussis (whooping cough), and tetanus.

The above incidents are just some of the examples that China is not truly ready to become a producer and leader in providing a COVID-19 vaccine.

Not only that, most Chinese have also rejected participation in vaccine trials due to China’s limited experience in the field. That fact was conveyed by David Broniatowski, chair of the George Washington University laboratory in the United States (US), who said that, “Many Chinese residents express their concern about the possible threat posed by the vaccine. The concern is growing not only for the rabies vaccine but for all vaccines from Changchun Changsheng Biotechnology. "

This is one of the reasons why China has tried to carry out its human vaccine trials in other countries such as Indonesia and Brazil.

Some of these countries, nonetheless, have decided to halt the trials. Brazil has decided to do so on the grounds that the vaccine trials could harm its people. On 21 October, 2020, through his official twitter account, President Bolsonaro said, "The Brazilian people will not be anyone's guinea pig. So, Brazil will not buy the Sinovac vaccine."
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Despite Brazil's refusal, Indonesia has not seen this as a warning sign and is probably only looking at the vaccine as an opportunity to get its economy back on track faster. A report from the Central Statistics Agency (BPS) stated that Indonesia’s economy experienced a contraction of 3.49 percent in the third quarter of 2020. Hence, the Sinovac vaccine is possibly something that the Indonesian government sees as a tool to indirectly revive the economy.

With China’s limited vaccine experience, rejections from countries like Brazil and even resistance from the Chinese people themselves, Indonesia should take a careful and measured approach when cooperating with China on vaccine trials given the large number of volunteers involved in the process.

Indonesia should not use its people as a tool for testing a vaccine that has yet to be proven successful for the sake of reviving its economy.

Growing Dependence On China

In the last five years, China’s foothold in Indonesia has increased.

It was reported that in 2019, China had become the second largest investor in Indonesia with a total investment of US$4.7 billion; equivalent to 17 percent of total foreign investment in the country.

Before the COVID-19 pandemic, China was Indonesia's biggest trade partner. In 2019, Chinese exports to Indonesia were worth US$25.8 million, equivalent to 16.68 percent of total exports.

The two countries recently signed an agreement to promote the use of local currencies – the Chinese Yuan (RMB) and Indonesian Rupiah (Rp) – in trade and investment transactions.

China has also expanded its cultural efforts through various events and initiatives, and has established Confucius Institutes across Indonesia.

Mohammad Faisal, Director at the Center of Reform on Economics (CORE) Indonesia, has warned that Indonesia is becoming increasingly reliant on China.

With the new vaccine deal, Indonesia has empowered China to provide a solution to its growing COVID-19 crisis; raising the possibility that Indonesia will become even more dependent on China as the superpower gains an increased foothold in the country.

This does not mean that Indonesia should reject the vaccine plan outright. If the Chinese vaccine works, it could be a great solution to not only ending the COVID-19 pandemic in Indonesia, but also a great step towards restoring the economy. However, Indonesia needs to be prepared for the possible consequences of such a scenario.

this could be a win or bruh moment for Jokowi.

let's see
 
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Chinese Vaccine: Does It Benefit Indonesia?

Muhammad Rakhmat M Habib Pashya
14 November 2020
WhatsAppFacebookTwitterLinkedIn
6PM%20SAT%2014112020.jpg

A doctor shows the box of a COVID-19 coronavirus vaccine produced by Chinese company Sinovac Biotech at Sao Lucas Hospital in Porto Alegre, southern Brazil. (AFP Photo)

Indonesia has the largest number of COVID-19 infections in Southeast Asia. As a solution, the populous ASEAN member state has tried to obtain a vaccine as a way to minimise the spread of the coronavirus in its population of over 273.5 million.

The recent visit of the Coordinating Minister for Maritime Affairs and Investment, Luhut Binsar Panjaitan to China is one of Indonesia's steps to obtain a vaccine from the country. In fact, the government in Beijing has stated that it wants to make Indonesia a vaccine hub in Southeast Asia.

Foreign Minister, Wang Yi has said that China "will continue to increase cooperation, especially sharing technology and experience, so that Indonesia can become a vaccine production centre in the Southeast Asia region."


Until now, Indonesia has been used as a trial site for vaccine development by Chinese firm, Sinovac, which has collaborated with local vaccine and serum manufacturer, Bio Farma.

Although some say that China-Indonesia cooperation on vaccine development would benefit Indonesia, the latter needs to be careful given China's limited experience in vaccine production. And even if the outcome is successful, it would only increase Indonesia's dependence on China.

China Has No Experience

Vaccine production is expected to improve China's image on the international stage.

However, historically China has a negative record in developing vaccines.

A major incident occurred in 2018, when 200,000 children inadvertently became guinea pigs for a failed diphtheria vaccine used for cough and tetanus. The Institute of Biological Products was also penalised for incorrectly administering the manufacturing procedure for its 2016 DPT vaccine, a combination vaccine against three infectious diseases in humans: diphtheria, pertussis (whooping cough), and tetanus.

The above incidents are just some of the examples that China is not truly ready to become a producer and leader in providing a COVID-19 vaccine.

Not only that, most Chinese have also rejected participation in vaccine trials due to China’s limited experience in the field. That fact was conveyed by David Broniatowski, chair of the George Washington University laboratory in the United States (US), who said that, “Many Chinese residents express their concern about the possible threat posed by the vaccine. The concern is growing not only for the rabies vaccine but for all vaccines from Changchun Changsheng Biotechnology. "

This is one of the reasons why China has tried to carry out its human vaccine trials in other countries such as Indonesia and Brazil.

Some of these countries, nonetheless, have decided to halt the trials. Brazil has decided to do so on the grounds that the vaccine trials could harm its people. On 21 October, 2020, through his official twitter account, President Bolsonaro said, "The Brazilian people will not be anyone's guinea pig. So, Brazil will not buy the Sinovac vaccine."
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Despite Brazil's refusal, Indonesia has not seen this as a warning sign and is probably only looking at the vaccine as an opportunity to get its economy back on track faster. A report from the Central Statistics Agency (BPS) stated that Indonesia’s economy experienced a contraction of 3.49 percent in the third quarter of 2020. Hence, the Sinovac vaccine is possibly something that the Indonesian government sees as a tool to indirectly revive the economy.

With China’s limited vaccine experience, rejections from countries like Brazil and even resistance from the Chinese people themselves, Indonesia should take a careful and measured approach when cooperating with China on vaccine trials given the large number of volunteers involved in the process.

Indonesia should not use its people as a tool for testing a vaccine that has yet to be proven successful for the sake of reviving its economy.

Growing Dependence On China

In the last five years, China’s foothold in Indonesia has increased.

It was reported that in 2019, China had become the second largest investor in Indonesia with a total investment of US$4.7 billion; equivalent to 17 percent of total foreign investment in the country.

Before the COVID-19 pandemic, China was Indonesia's biggest trade partner. In 2019, Chinese exports to Indonesia were worth US$25.8 million, equivalent to 16.68 percent of total exports.

The two countries recently signed an agreement to promote the use of local currencies – the Chinese Yuan (RMB) and Indonesian Rupiah (Rp) – in trade and investment transactions.

China has also expanded its cultural efforts through various events and initiatives, and has established Confucius Institutes across Indonesia.

Mohammad Faisal, Director at the Center of Reform on Economics (CORE) Indonesia, has warned that Indonesia is becoming increasingly reliant on China.

With the new vaccine deal, Indonesia has empowered China to provide a solution to its growing COVID-19 crisis; raising the possibility that Indonesia will become even more dependent on China as the superpower gains an increased foothold in the country.

This does not mean that Indonesia should reject the vaccine plan outright. If the Chinese vaccine works, it could be a great solution to not only ending the COVID-19 pandemic in Indonesia, but also a great step towards restoring the economy. However, Indonesia needs to be prepared for the possible consequences of such a scenario.

this could be a win or bruh moment for Jokowi.

let's see
Why ID need this dangerous vaccine from CN while u guys just need to do social distancing in 25 days ??

Covid in VN is under control without any vaccine after 25 days lock down.
 
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It's the best to delay to get a vaccine around half a year.

Wait until many people got it first and see.

Well, this is my personal suggestion.


But as a matter of state, I don't know.

Since all important persons, like president, military, medical staffs, etc get it first.


For the article above.

I can already predict the West will smear it.

It's not about to eliminate coronavirus forever.

But for their own personal gain, whatever how many people die worldwide.

If this worldwide mass vaccine program fail, the karma will return back to Western countries.

It's Western countries who are among the top list of coronavirus infection and death rate.

Up to today, in USA, new coronavirus infection hit 150.000+ and death rate around 1000+ daily.

In Europe, the new infection hit 200.000+ and death rate around 3000+ daily.

I can't imagine 1-2 years later.

Not to mention the economic impact.


As many Holy Books said about the end of an era.

The whole world is destroyed because of bad human behavior.

From coronavirus case, we can already see it.

We don't even need to have a supernatural ability, just a bit of logic to predict.

The worst of all, for their own incompetency, they will blame others and started the nuclear war.

Amazing!
 
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Chinese Vaccine: Does It Benefit Indonesia?

Muhammad Rakhmat M Habib Pashya
14 November 2020
WhatsAppFacebookTwitterLinkedIn
6PM%20SAT%2014112020.jpg

A doctor shows the box of a COVID-19 coronavirus vaccine produced by Chinese company Sinovac Biotech at Sao Lucas Hospital in Porto Alegre, southern Brazil. (AFP Photo)

Indonesia has the largest number of COVID-19 infections in Southeast Asia. As a solution, the populous ASEAN member state has tried to obtain a vaccine as a way to minimise the spread of the coronavirus in its population of over 273.5 million.

The recent visit of the Coordinating Minister for Maritime Affairs and Investment, Luhut Binsar Panjaitan to China is one of Indonesia's steps to obtain a vaccine from the country. In fact, the government in Beijing has stated that it wants to make Indonesia a vaccine hub in Southeast Asia.

Foreign Minister, Wang Yi has said that China "will continue to increase cooperation, especially sharing technology and experience, so that Indonesia can become a vaccine production centre in the Southeast Asia region."


Until now, Indonesia has been used as a trial site for vaccine development by Chinese firm, Sinovac, which has collaborated with local vaccine and serum manufacturer, Bio Farma.

Although some say that China-Indonesia cooperation on vaccine development would benefit Indonesia, the latter needs to be careful given China's limited experience in vaccine production. And even if the outcome is successful, it would only increase Indonesia's dependence on China.

China Has No Experience

Vaccine production is expected to improve China's image on the international stage.

However, historically China has a negative record in developing vaccines.

A major incident occurred in 2018, when 200,000 children inadvertently became guinea pigs for a failed diphtheria vaccine used for cough and tetanus. The Institute of Biological Products was also penalised for incorrectly administering the manufacturing procedure for its 2016 DPT vaccine, a combination vaccine against three infectious diseases in humans: diphtheria, pertussis (whooping cough), and tetanus.

The above incidents are just some of the examples that China is not truly ready to become a producer and leader in providing a COVID-19 vaccine.

Not only that, most Chinese have also rejected participation in vaccine trials due to China’s limited experience in the field. That fact was conveyed by David Broniatowski, chair of the George Washington University laboratory in the United States (US), who said that, “Many Chinese residents express their concern about the possible threat posed by the vaccine. The concern is growing not only for the rabies vaccine but for all vaccines from Changchun Changsheng Biotechnology. "

This is one of the reasons why China has tried to carry out its human vaccine trials in other countries such as Indonesia and Brazil.

Some of these countries, nonetheless, have decided to halt the trials. Brazil has decided to do so on the grounds that the vaccine trials could harm its people. On 21 October, 2020, through his official twitter account, President Bolsonaro said, "The Brazilian people will not be anyone's guinea pig. So, Brazil will not buy the Sinovac vaccine."
View attachment 688431

Despite Brazil's refusal, Indonesia has not seen this as a warning sign and is probably only looking at the vaccine as an opportunity to get its economy back on track faster. A report from the Central Statistics Agency (BPS) stated that Indonesia’s economy experienced a contraction of 3.49 percent in the third quarter of 2020. Hence, the Sinovac vaccine is possibly something that the Indonesian government sees as a tool to indirectly revive the economy.

With China’s limited vaccine experience, rejections from countries like Brazil and even resistance from the Chinese people themselves, Indonesia should take a careful and measured approach when cooperating with China on vaccine trials given the large number of volunteers involved in the process.

Indonesia should not use its people as a tool for testing a vaccine that has yet to be proven successful for the sake of reviving its economy.

Growing Dependence On China

In the last five years, China’s foothold in Indonesia has increased.

It was reported that in 2019, China had become the second largest investor in Indonesia with a total investment of US$4.7 billion; equivalent to 17 percent of total foreign investment in the country.

Before the COVID-19 pandemic, China was Indonesia's biggest trade partner. In 2019, Chinese exports to Indonesia were worth US$25.8 million, equivalent to 16.68 percent of total exports.

The two countries recently signed an agreement to promote the use of local currencies – the Chinese Yuan (RMB) and Indonesian Rupiah (Rp) – in trade and investment transactions.

China has also expanded its cultural efforts through various events and initiatives, and has established Confucius Institutes across Indonesia.

Mohammad Faisal, Director at the Center of Reform on Economics (CORE) Indonesia, has warned that Indonesia is becoming increasingly reliant on China.

With the new vaccine deal, Indonesia has empowered China to provide a solution to its growing COVID-19 crisis; raising the possibility that Indonesia will become even more dependent on China as the superpower gains an increased foothold in the country.

This does not mean that Indonesia should reject the vaccine plan outright. If the Chinese vaccine works, it could be a great solution to not only ending the COVID-19 pandemic in Indonesia, but also a great step towards restoring the economy. However, Indonesia needs to be prepared for the possible consequences of such a scenario.

this could be a win or bruh moment for Jokowi.

let's see
Maybe not.
But Trump's rushed vaccine. Certainly won't help Americans.

It's sad and funny when your own President makes your job(being a propoganda bot) exponentially difficult.
 
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Brazil restarted the trial.

Indonesia continued the trial even though Brazil stopped it, then restarted it, as if nothing happened.
 
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Maybe not.
But Trump's rushed vaccine. Certainly won't help Americans.

Trump's rushed vaccine? How has Trump rushed anything? The elections are over and the vaccine isn't out yet and Trump lost.
And how do you know the vaccine isn't going to help?
Have you bothered to do the research before pronouncing judgement over what will and will not help Americans?
 
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Well. It is a free world. Indonesia has every right to wait for the more expensive vaccines from Pfizer, Modena, etc.
Why politicized the vaccine?
In fact the priority of China vaccines should be its own people and yet they are prepared to offers it at cost plus to many poorer nations.

There are many third world nations lining up for China produced vaccines in the world today and Indonesia can stand in line if that is really The Indonesia official Government position and stance.

I guess Indonesia must be very rich like India or Vietnam as some of our posters claimed :sarcastic: :sarcastic:
 
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Well. It is a free world. Indonesia has every right to wait for the more expensive vaccines from Pfizer, Modena, etc.
Why politicized the vaccine?
In fact the priority of China vaccines should be its own people and yet they are prepared to offers it at cost plus to many poorer nations.

There are many third world nations lining up for China produced vaccines in the world today and Indonesia can stand in line if that is really The Indonesia official Government position and stance.

I guess Indonesia must be very rich like India or Vietnam as some of our posters claimed :sarcastic: :sarcastic:
The vaccine of german company Biontec costs $10 per injection. Chinese vaccine from company as Sinovac costs $100. Talking about costs.
 
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Chinese Vaccine: Does It Benefit Indonesia?

Muhammad Rakhmat M Habib Pashya
14 November 2020
WhatsAppFacebookTwitterLinkedIn
6PM%20SAT%2014112020.jpg

A doctor shows the box of a COVID-19 coronavirus vaccine produced by Chinese company Sinovac Biotech at Sao Lucas Hospital in Porto Alegre, southern Brazil. (AFP Photo)

Indonesia has the largest number of COVID-19 infections in Southeast Asia. As a solution, the populous ASEAN member state has tried to obtain a vaccine as a way to minimise the spread of the coronavirus in its population of over 273.5 million.

The recent visit of the Coordinating Minister for Maritime Affairs and Investment, Luhut Binsar Panjaitan to China is one of Indonesia's steps to obtain a vaccine from the country. In fact, the government in Beijing has stated that it wants to make Indonesia a vaccine hub in Southeast Asia.

Foreign Minister, Wang Yi has said that China "will continue to increase cooperation, especially sharing technology and experience, so that Indonesia can become a vaccine production centre in the Southeast Asia region."


Until now, Indonesia has been used as a trial site for vaccine development by Chinese firm, Sinovac, which has collaborated with local vaccine and serum manufacturer, Bio Farma.

Although some say that China-Indonesia cooperation on vaccine development would benefit Indonesia, the latter needs to be careful given China's limited experience in vaccine production. And even if the outcome is successful, it would only increase Indonesia's dependence on China.

China Has No Experience

Vaccine production is expected to improve China's image on the international stage.

However, historically China has a negative record in developing vaccines.

A major incident occurred in 2018, when 200,000 children inadvertently became guinea pigs for a failed diphtheria vaccine used for cough and tetanus. The Institute of Biological Products was also penalised for incorrectly administering the manufacturing procedure for its 2016 DPT vaccine, a combination vaccine against three infectious diseases in humans: diphtheria, pertussis (whooping cough), and tetanus.

The above incidents are just some of the examples that China is not truly ready to become a producer and leader in providing a COVID-19 vaccine.

Not only that, most Chinese have also rejected participation in vaccine trials due to China’s limited experience in the field. That fact was conveyed by David Broniatowski, chair of the George Washington University laboratory in the United States (US), who said that, “Many Chinese residents express their concern about the possible threat posed by the vaccine. The concern is growing not only for the rabies vaccine but for all vaccines from Changchun Changsheng Biotechnology. "

This is one of the reasons why China has tried to carry out its human vaccine trials in other countries such as Indonesia and Brazil.

Some of these countries, nonetheless, have decided to halt the trials. Brazil has decided to do so on the grounds that the vaccine trials could harm its people. On 21 October, 2020, through his official twitter account, President Bolsonaro said, "The Brazilian people will not be anyone's guinea pig. So, Brazil will not buy the Sinovac vaccine."
View attachment 688431

Despite Brazil's refusal, Indonesia has not seen this as a warning sign and is probably only looking at the vaccine as an opportunity to get its economy back on track faster. A report from the Central Statistics Agency (BPS) stated that Indonesia’s economy experienced a contraction of 3.49 percent in the third quarter of 2020. Hence, the Sinovac vaccine is possibly something that the Indonesian government sees as a tool to indirectly revive the economy.

With China’s limited vaccine experience, rejections from countries like Brazil and even resistance from the Chinese people themselves, Indonesia should take a careful and measured approach when cooperating with China on vaccine trials given the large number of volunteers involved in the process.

Indonesia should not use its people as a tool for testing a vaccine that has yet to be proven successful for the sake of reviving its economy.

Growing Dependence On China

In the last five years, China’s foothold in Indonesia has increased.

It was reported that in 2019, China had become the second largest investor in Indonesia with a total investment of US$4.7 billion; equivalent to 17 percent of total foreign investment in the country.

Before the COVID-19 pandemic, China was Indonesia's biggest trade partner. In 2019, Chinese exports to Indonesia were worth US$25.8 million, equivalent to 16.68 percent of total exports.

The two countries recently signed an agreement to promote the use of local currencies – the Chinese Yuan (RMB) and Indonesian Rupiah (Rp) – in trade and investment transactions.

China has also expanded its cultural efforts through various events and initiatives, and has established Confucius Institutes across Indonesia.

Mohammad Faisal, Director at the Center of Reform on Economics (CORE) Indonesia, has warned that Indonesia is becoming increasingly reliant on China.

With the new vaccine deal, Indonesia has empowered China to provide a solution to its growing COVID-19 crisis; raising the possibility that Indonesia will become even more dependent on China as the superpower gains an increased foothold in the country.

This does not mean that Indonesia should reject the vaccine plan outright. If the Chinese vaccine works, it could be a great solution to not only ending the COVID-19 pandemic in Indonesia, but also a great step towards restoring the economy. However, Indonesia needs to be prepared for the possible consequences of such a scenario.

this could be a win or bruh moment for Jokowi.

let's see
This is just a propaganda article with selective writing. First of all , from Brazil highest health authority, sinovac is the vaccine that proves the best with least side effect and highest antibodies effect among others vaccine tested together.

Secondly, brazil president is extremely biased against China and is influencing the vaccine testing especially when a fatality involved in sinovac vaccine testing that link to suicide and not vaccine. The brazil heath minister has order the resume of testing.

End of the day, the country need vaccine most are indonesia and not China. If somebody decide to put national interest below personal gain by selecting vaccine based on political clout rather than clinical result. So be it. End of the day, it's your resident dying if they choose the incompetent vaccine that couldn't solve the problem.
 
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End of the day, the country need vaccine most are indonesia and not China. If somebody decide to put national interest below personal gain by selecting vaccine based on political clout rather than clinical result. So be it. End of the day, it's your resident dying if they choose the incompetent vaccine that couldn't solve the problem.
there's always pfizer and moderna
 
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there's always pfizer and moderna
They are not as effective as sinovac. Not claim by China but Clinical trial from Brazil health authority. Use your political vaccine at your own risk if u ignore science and facts.


Ask yourself this simple question. If u have an illness, which medicine will u choose with a success rate of 90% or 96%.
 
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Ask yourself this simple question. If u have an illness, which medicine will u choose with a success rate of 90% or 96%.
off course I choose 90%, what IQ do you have ?? 60???
 
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