Chinese Missiles News & Discussions

[星海军事]

Most of the missile’s flight time during the November 1 flight test was powered by the HGV during the glide phase, the source said.

The article about DF-17 seems to be self-contradictory.

 

[52051]

China's new short-range missile size DF-17 has extended range thanks to its glide vehicle warhead.

The glide vehicle warhead has a power system that can actually allow the warhead travelling much longer than traditional hypersonic glide vehicle design.

Thanks to the glide vehicle warhead, DF-17 (which is basically DF-16 with hypersonic glide vehicle warhead) can achieve a range of 2500 km with only a short-ranged ballistic missile's size.

According to the US intelligence, China's DF-17 is the first product-grade weapon design in the world that using HGVs.

https://thediplomat.com/2017/12/int...issile-armed-with-a-hypersonic-glide-vehicle/

China carried out the first flight-tests of a new kind of ballistic missile with a hypersonic glide vehicle (HGV) in November, The Diplomat has learned.

According to a U.S. government source who described recent intelligence assessments on the People’s Liberation Army Rocket Force (PLARF) on the condition of anonymity, China recently conducted two tests of a new missile known as the DF-17.

The first test took place on November 1 and the second test took place on November 15. The November 1 test was the first Chinese ballistic missile test to take place after the conclusion of the first plenum of the Communist Party of China’s 19th Party Congress in October.
During the November 1 test flight, which took place from the Jiuquan Space Launcher Center in Inner Mongolia, the missile’s payload flew to a range of approximately 1,400 kilometers with the HGV flying at a depressed altitude of around 60 kilometers following the completion of the DF-17’s ballistic and reentry phases.

HGVs begin flight after separating from their ballistic missile boosters, which follow a standard ballistic trajectory to give the payload vehicle sufficient altitude.

Parts of the U.S. intelligence community assess that the DF-17 is a medium-range system, with a range capability between 1,800 and 2,500 kilometers. The missile is expected to be capable of delivering both nuclear and conventional payloads and may be capable of being configured to deliver a maneuverable reentry vehicle instead of an HGV.

Most of the missile’s flight time during the November 1 flight test was powered by the HGV during the glide phase, the source said. The missile successfully made impact at a site in Xinjiang Province, outside Qiemo, “within meters” of the intended target, the source added. The duration of the HGV’s flight was nearly 11 minutes during that test.

The HGV payload that China tested in November was specifically designed for the DF-17, the source told The Diplomat, while noting that parts of the U.S. intelligence community assess that the DF-17 is heavily based on the PLARF’s DF-16B short-range ballistic missile, which is already deployed.

“The missile is explicitly designed for operational HGV implementation and not as a test bed,” the source said, describing U.S. intelligence assessments of the DF-17. This was “the first HGV test in the world using a system intended to be fielded operationally,” the source added.

 

[星海军事]

The article about DF-17 seems to be self-contradictory.

https://twitter.com/x/status/946454657836179456

Update. The author has corrected the error.

 

[52051]

So basically China's HGV can double the range of a missile, with a hit accucy in meters, and the even better news is that according to the US intel, China is the first country to develop a production-grade HGV.

Just imagine if China put thest HGV on stuffs like DF-21/26 and double their range... I am almost feel sorry about any enemy ship within their 8000+ km range then.

 

[clarkgap]

China conducts 'WORLD FIRST' nuclear missile test that could hit target in SECONDS
CHINA has conducted a “world first” ballistic missile test that can come “within metres” of its target, US officials have confirmed.
By DAN FALVEY
PUBLISHED: 03:08, Fri, Dec 29, 2017 | UPDATED: 03:45, Fri, Dec 29, 2017

In November, China’s People’s Liberation Army Rocket Force conducted two flight tests of a new ballistic missile that was attached to a hypersonic glide vehicle (HGV).

A HGV is a form of aircraft that is capable of reaching speeds five times faster than the speed of sound, allowing it to deliver nuclear weapons to their target in a matter of seconds.

According to the US official the test was “the first HGV test in the world using a system intended to be fielded operationally”.

Both the US and Russia have been working hard on their own tests of HGVs, but neither are believed to have conducted tests for a system that could be operational.

James Syring, Director of the US Missile Defence Agency, said in June that attempts to harness HGVs span back over seventy years but are only now being tested with the intention of being used.

He said: “Although hypersonic glide vehicles and missiles flying non-ballistic trajectories were first proposed as far back as World War Two, technological advances are only now making these systems practicable.”

The new tests conducted by China are their first since the ruling Communist Party’s annual Congress in October.

The HGV tested on November 1 is said to have been specifically designed for a medium-range ballistic missile called DF-17 and landed “within metres” of its intended target.

A second test of the missile took place on November 15.

According to US officials the missile is expected to become fully operational by 2020.

A National Air and Space Intelligence Centre report released in June warned that HGVs could be more dangerous as they were harder to defend against due to the speed the missile travels at.

It said: “The combination of high speed, manoeuvrability, and relatively low altitudes makes HGVs challenging targets for missile defence systems.”

The planned introduction of the HGV into China’s nuclear arsenal comes after President Xi Jinping used the Communist Party’s 19th conference to unveil his plans to make a “world-class military”.

Centred around a new, condensed structure of 84 military units, the military reshuffle builds on Xi's years-long efforts to modernise the PLA with greater emphasis on new capabilities including cyberspace, electronic and information warfare.

As chair of the Central Military Commission, Xi is also commander-in-chief of China's armed forces.

President Xi told commanders of the new units at the PLA headquarters in Beijing the test “has profound and significant meaning in building a world-class military”.

All 84 new units are at the combined-corps level, which means commanders will hold the rank of major-general or rear-admiral, and unit members would likely be regrouped from existing forces.

The Chinese military is currently cutting its troops by 300,000, as part of a number of wide-ranging military reforms introduced by President Xi in late 2015.

Those reforms include establishing a joint operational command structure by 2020 and rejigging existing military regions, as well as streamlining troop numbers particularly in non-combat facing roles.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...e-test-world-first-xi-jinping-donald-trump-us

From yankeesama's source, it is not DF-17, it should be CJ-XX or YJ-XX.

 

[星海军事]

From yankeesama's source, it is not DF-17, it should be CJ-XX or YJ-XX.

Not true. Reason seen above.

 

[first77]

With one report claiming China could build 1,227 DF-21Ds for every carrier the U.S. military sends to sea, Beijing and other nations will have ample budgetary room to challenge our mighty carriers for decades to come.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com

 

[Genesis]

With one report claiming China could build 1,227 DF-21Ds for every carrier the U.S. military sends to sea, Beijing and other nations will have ample budgetary room to challenge our mighty carriers for decades to come.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com

If China did that then, maybe it doesn't deserve its place in the sun. Then again, any nation stupid enough to do that would not have the capability to be where we are now.

DF-21D is a propaganda piece, whether it works or not is irrelevant. As a great power, the job isn't to scare the super powers, it is to assert your mark on the rest of the world.

70 years since the start of the cold war, the super powers have gone to war for exactly 0 times. Do you know how many times they gone to war with non super powers? Not 0 times. So that should tell you all you need to know about what kind of a military China needs.

 

[first77]

If China did that then, maybe it doesn't deserve its place in the sun. Then again, any nation stupid enough to do that would not have the capability to be where we are now.

That huge explosion at China' sea port in 2015 had 700 tonnes of military explosives. China has missiles program

 

[Brainsucker]

That huge explosion at China' sea port in 2015 had 700 tonnes of military explosives. China has missiles program

What do you mean with the huge explosion at China Sea Port in 2015?

 

[Beast]

What do you mean with the huge explosion at China Sea Port in 2015?

Tianjin port super explosion

 

[Brainsucker]

Tianjin port super explosion

You mean that Tianjin Port was exploded or something?

 

[Figaro]

That huge explosion at China' sea port in 2015 had 700 tonnes of military explosives. China has missiles program

That is not true. The 2015 Tianjin explosions had nothing to do with military explosives or China’s missile programs but rather improper storage of civilian chemicals.

With one report claiming China could build 1,227 DF-21Ds for every carrier the U.S. military sends to sea, Beijing and other nations will have ample budgetary room to challenge our mighty carriers for decades to come.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com

This is an overhyped article trying to inflate the China threat perception. You would think the “American conservative” name would’ve given it away. We don’t know the effectiveness of the DF-21D ... and won’t truly know until it goes into combat against American carriers. If aircraft carriers were entirely useless, then why would China be developing carriers and catapults of its own? Simple fact is aircraft carriers will remain the centerpiece of the USN and the PLAN for a very long time

You mean that Tianjin Port was exploded or something?

August 2015 New Binhai area explosion ...

 

[Brainsucker]

That is not true. The 2015 Tianjin explosions had nothing to do with military explosives or China’s missile programs but rather improper storage of civilian chemicals.

This is an overhyped article trying to inflate the China threat perception. You would think the “American conservative” name would’ve given it away. We don’t know the effectiveness of the DF-21D ... and won’t truly know until it goes into combat against American carriers. If aircraft carriers were entirely useless, then why would China be developing carriers and catapults of its own? Simple fact is aircraft carriers will remain the centerpiece of the USN and the PLAN for a very long time

August 2015 New Binhai area explosion ...

@Beast, @Figaro, Thank for the info.

For the carrier, nobody can argue that it won't be obsolute, even to the next century. Because Carrier is just a simple mobile airfield on the sea. If the fixed airfield on the ground still considered useful (even when they have been flattened again and again in the history), then the same thing goes to Aircraft Carrier.

 

[first77]

You mean that Tianjin Port was exploded or something?

Yes