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It works, with near real time monitoring, and beidou, we can sink a carrier.

Agree. The missiles are very expense, the whole system are much more expense including satellite, over-the-horizon radar, sonar, and so on.

China keep investing resources on this project, which mean it works.
 
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Agree. The missiles are very expense, the whole system are much more expense including satellite, over-the-horizon radar, sonar, and so on.

China keep investing resources on this project, which mean it works.
It definitely works. They are long operation and not just prototype. Such test had long conducted in yellow sea area before. This is not new.

 
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The NBC news quoted the Pentagon report, which is as good as the China's 300 nuclear warheads. In essence it said China only has the DF-21D ballistic missile that can function as anti-ship missile. The report simply ignores the "Guam Express" DF-26 :p: well, just believe as one wishes. I posted about the DF-26 earlier. It may not be in line with the USN posturing with all its carriers in the AsPac!
 
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The NBC news quoted the Pentagon report, which is as good as the China's 300 nuclear warheads. In essence it said China only has the DF-21D ballistic missile that can function as anti-ship missile. The report simply ignores the "Guam Express" DF-26 :p: well, just believe as one wishes. I posted about the DF-26 earlier. It may not be in line with the USN posturing with all its carriers in the AsPac!
The DOD reports don't dive deep into details since it is an unclassified report - Only features trends. I am sure they know stuff that they can't share because it will risk their sources.
However, and as a result, most of those reports are recycled and almost boring after you read just one report.
DF-21D is something that most government sources never referred to. We don't know estimated numbers and deployment for sure.
 
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La Chine lance 6 missiles ASBM vers la mer de Chine méridionale
China launches 6 ASBM missiles towards South China Sea

East Pendulum/ Henry K 8th July 2019

Translated from French to English by Google translator:-

Details are beginning to be found about the recent firing of Chinese anti-ship ballistic missile towards the South China Sea, which took place on Monday, July 1 in southern China.

First revealed by the American media CNBC before being confirmed by the Pentagon, these ASBM launches of the Chinese Rocket Force finally concern six missiles that hit two different areas in the sea. The identification of the exact pattern used in these shots is still ongoing.

The CNBC text, published on July 2, citing two U.S. officers with knowledge of the matter, first referred to a "series of ASBM tests" of which at least one was pulled out to sea over the weekend, and they were potentially waiting for others until Wednesday, July 3.

Several U.S. Navy ships were present at the time in the South China Sea but none were near the area or endangered, according to one of the officers who is not authorized to reveal further details.

First described as "concerning" by these early U.S. officers, Lieutenant-Colonel Dave Eastburn, a Pentagon spokesman, then used the word "disturbing" when commenting on the event.

"The Pentagon was aware of the launch of Chinese missiles from the artificial structures of the South China Sea near the Spratlys Islands," Eastburn said. "What is really disturbing about this act is that it is in direct contradiction to President XI's statement. . . . that it would not militarize these artificial outposts."

But this first statement that the departure of Chinese anti-ship ballistic missiles would be on the Spratlys, south of the South China Sea, seems both unlikely and unfounded - deploying weapons of this category and deploying them use from seriously missing sites of strategic depth, such as Subi Reef with its 5.52 km2 yet already the largest among the Spratly islands, would be rather a mistake because TEL gear have nowhere to shelter and then become very vulnerable targets to pre-emptive strikes, while on the continent these same ASBMs can blend into the mass easily with the extent of the Chinese road network and thanks to the numerous underground fortifications.

It should also be noted that to reach major naval targets such as aircraft carriers and helicopter carriers sailing in the South China Sea, positioning the ASBBs on the fortified reefs at the Spratleys does not have any more tactical advantages. if only in terms of scope. A deployment to the island of Hainan or to the mountainous provinces of Guizhou and Yunnan will be more than enough.

Is it, then, a personal misunderstanding of the spokesman, a wilful misinformation of the Pentagon, or a communication war effort on the part of American institutions to discredit its adversaries? However, according to other American sources, the missiles were indeed launched from the Chinese mainland and not the Spratlys:

Faced with the Pentagon's "accusation" that the missiles were fired from the Spratlys Islands, the Chinese Ministry of Defense was quick to give its version of events - In the first response provided to the Global Times, the communications office of MoD Chino is states that "According to the annual training plan, the Southern Theatre Command of the People's Liberation Army recently conducted a real-fire exercise near the island of Hainan. This is not aimed at any particular country or target" ).

The second reply, sent to the Reuters news agency, essentially repeats the same message to the Global Times that it was only a planned live shooting exercise, adding to this: "The reports do not agree with the facts" (The relevant reports do not agree with the facts).
However, the precise point of this "denial" - does it concern the location of the firing, or the fact that it is highly sensitive anti-ship ballistic missiles? In any case the message looks curiously like a standard response that foreign journalists are used to hearing in Beijing during press conferences at this Chinese ministry...

Assuming that the Chinese MoD is true - that these firings are part of the Chinese Rocket Force's annual training plan and not a response to the joint maneuvers of the USNaval Group USS Ronald Reagan and the Japanese Navy at sea South China in June - we could then consider these ASBM launches as an extension of the exercise in January this year as the Chinese military led to southern China, where the Rockets Forces as well as other bodies (Support Force strategic, Marine...) worked together in a counter-offensive simulation. There had been rumours at the time of real shootings planned "in a few months" to put this joint work into practice.

And in reality these weekend shots of 29-30 June are more or less known in advance - indeed, a security alert had been issued by the Chinese Maritime Security Administration to signal the closure of a maritime zone for "military exercises", in the middle of the South China Sea (see red zone below).

This area, which bears the number HN-0075, prohibits access to all ships from Saturday 29 June 00:00 to Wednesday 3 July 24:00 Beijing time. It should be noted that this alert was then cancelled by HN-0078, published on 2 July, suggesting the end of the exercise.

琼航警0075
南海 2019年6月29日0000时至7月3日2400时,在
1:13-48.00N/114-10.00E
2:12-48.00N/114-10.00E
3:12-48.00N/116-02.00E
4:13-48.00N/116-02.00E
诸点连线范围内进行军事训练。禁止驶入。

琼航警0078
南海 撤销2019年琼航警0075,希各航船注意。


In parallel to this maritime access ban, we note the closure of the airspace also, this time in another area (see the yellow zone below) and at a different time. The information is described in a message to airfares (NOTAM) A3298/19 and the ban on air access at all altitudes was only valid for a short time on 1 July from 07:00 to 12:00 Beijing time.
A3298/19
Q) ZJSA/QRDCL/IV/BO/W/000/999/
A) ZJSA B) 1906302300 C) 1907010400
E) A TEMPORARY DANGER AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY:
N185006E1110248-N192230E11115812-N183342E1125736-N173533E1133544-N 171343E1133409-N163654E1121354-N175336E112200-N185006E1110248.
ALL ACFT ARE FORBIDDEN TO FLY INTO THE TEMPORARY DANGER AREA.
VERTICAL LIMITS: SFC-UNL.
F) SFC G) UNL

The combination of the HN-0075 marine safety alert and the NOTAM A3298/19 then allows the exact window of fire to be found, which is in fact the same as that indicated in the NOTAM. The Chinese ASBBs are therefore expected to have taken off on Monday, July 1st in the morning.

And that date is also confirmed by a U.S. military officer on condition of anonymity, quoted by Japanese media NHK, according to which six ballistic missiles were launched from the mainland towards the South China Sea on Sunday, June 30 Pacific.

Given the 15-hour difference between Beijing time (UTC-8) and Pacific time (UTC-7), this means that the tests were listed by the Americans on July 1st Beijing time.

This same source has also added an additional element - the six ASBMs have in fact struck two distinct areas at sea. But the missile type or types - namely DF-16x, DF-21D or DF-26C if not more - is still being identified.


Apart from this open question about the type or types of ASBM used, the Chinese missile departure site also remains an interesting point to study. No authentic photos or videos are available at the moment to allow the identification of the places, but by drawing a line connecting the two no-reach zones this takes us to the mountainous province of Guizhou, especially near Anshun, where new anti-ship units of the Chinese Rocket Force would be based.

The question will also be examined on the usefulness of the two zones in question - did the missile heads strike the yellow zone or the red zone instead? Knowing that the shallowest place in the red zone is still at -293 meters deep, this makes any recovery operation more difficult than if it had been in the yellow zone.


Then, at the time of the firing, where are the optical, radar and electromagnetic space satellites and constellations that China had launched over the last 10 years to trace and identify the "big ships"? Has the supersonic reconnaissance drone designed by the 611 Chengdu Institute to assess strike damage been deployed? Did the Chinese military use manoeuvrable or fixed targets at sea?

These are all questions that remain to be studied, we will not fail to return to these subjects in the near future.

To follow.
Henry K.


 
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Science
How China could use bio-waste to mass-produce cheap super-fuel for missiles
  • Scientists’ large-scale conversion of agricultural waste into fuel offers savings up to 60 per cent, they say
  • Discovery could slash military costs and bring civilian applications of hypersonic flight technology closer

Stephen Chen

Published: 11:30pm, 15 Jul, 2019

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Super-fuel for military aircraft costs nearly 10 times as much as ordinary jet fuel for commercial planes. Photo: Shutterstock.

Chinese scientists say they have developed a technology to convert bio-waste into fuel for missiles and hypersonic planes, reducing fuel costs by as much as 60 per cent.

The existing JP-10 super-fuel for military aircraft has numerous advantages including high energy density, good thermal stability and low freezing point, but it costs more than US$7,000 per tonne – nearly 10 times as much as ordinary jet fuel for commercial aircraft.

It is used mainly in cruise missiles and ramjet or scramjet engines on new-generation aircraft travelling at hypersonic speed, or five times faster than sound.

Scientists from the Dalian Institute of Chemical Physics, at the Chinese Academy of Sciences in the northeastern province of Liaoning, predicted using the new technology in the near future could reduce the cost to as low as US$2,547 per tonne.

The secret, according to their paper, published in the latest issue of German chemistry journal Angewandte Chemie, lies in cheap bio-waste.

Using agricultural and forestry residues including bran, chaff and mill dust, Professor Zhang Tao, Li Ning and colleagues discovered new chemical processes that can turn the waste to JP-10 fuel on a large scale with unprecedented efficiency.

At present, the super-fuel comes from coal tar or naphtha, and the synthesis is extremely costly and unfriendly to the environment.

The bio-JP-10 fuel can be produced by two different methods, one involving six steps of chemical reactions and the other only four, according to the paper.

China’s plan to make jet fuel from restaurant leftovers

Combining these methods with the latest technology in biomass conversion, the researchers said, the super-fuel can be mass-produced at a price equivalent to that of some of the bio-jet fuels already in commercial use, thanks to government subsidies provided for their environmental benefits.

“We believe that the future commercialisation of bio-JP-10 fuel is very promising, especially taking policy support and exemption from CO2 emission tax into consideration,” the authors wrote in the paper.

Liu Huoxing, professor at the school of energy and power engineering at Beijing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics, said civilian applications of hypersonic flight technology faced many challenges that remained to be solved, with the problem of high fuel prices being one of the headaches.

“No airline will buy a plane if the fuel costs too much, however fast it can fly,” he said.

Liu, who conducts research on engine technology for hypersonic
vehicles but was not involved in the Dalian study, said the reduction of production costs for jet fuel was usually incremental and it was quite rare to see a significant drop.
“This can be an important development,” he said of the Dalian findings.

China is developing various models of hypersonic speed aircraft for military and civilian use. Some are aimed at flying distances such as Shanghai to Los Angeles in a couple of hours.
 
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From Dafeng Cao on 2019.07.25:

A supersonic drone heat resisting nose cone is on display in Anshun, Guizhou Province, which can withstand temperature as high as 350°Celcius for a long time and is 30 percent lighter than Titanium alloy.

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From Henry Kenhmann at the East Pendulum on 2019.07.25:

This could finally be the first piece in real life of the supersonic drone of the 611 Chengdu Institute that I have been looking for a long time. This is the composite front tip, exposed by a subsidiary of AVIC, able to withstand up to 350°Celcius and lighter than a Titanium alloy.

(the same pic as Cao's)

 
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Russia kicks off delivery of 2nd S-400 regiment set to China by sea, says source - Military & Defense - TASS
The delivery of the entire regiment set to China envisages "involving no less than three vessels" that will take to the sea one by one within short time intervals

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S-400 surface-to-air missile systems
© Sergei Malgavko/TASS


MOSCOW, July 24. /TASS/. Russia has launched an operation to deliver the 2nd regiment set of S-400 surface-to-air missile systems to China by sea, a source in military and diplomatic circles told TASS on Wednesday.

"A transport vessel with the first batch of hardware from the second S-400 regiment set for China has taken to the sea from the port of Ust-Luga on the Baltic coast. Therefore, like in the case with Turkey, the deliveries of the systems have started several months ahead of the term stipulated in the contract," the source said.

https://tass.com/economy/1068652
The delivery of the entire S-400 regiment set to China envisages "involving no less than three vessels" that will take to the sea one by one "within short time intervals," the source added.

Russia’s Federal Service for Military and Technical Cooperation declined to comment for TASS on the information provided by the source.

China became the first foreign buyer of Russia’s most advanced S-400 ‘Triumf’ surface-to-air missile systems. Russia signed a contract with China on the delivery of two regiment sets of S-400 air defense missile systems in 2014.

The first regiment set of S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems was delivered to China in the spring of 2018. The Chinese military successfully test-fired the missile launchers from the first S-400 regiment set, striking an aerodynamic and a ballistic target at its firing ranges.
 
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From Dafeng Cao on 2019.07.25:

A supersonic drone heat resisting nose cone is on display in Anshun, Guizhou Province, which can withstand temperature as high as 350°Celcius for a long time and is 30 percent lighter than Titanium alloy.

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From Henry Kenhmann at the East Pendulum on 2019.07.25:

This could finally be the first piece in real life of the supersonic drone of the 611 Chengdu Institute that I have been looking for a long time. This is the composite front tip, exposed by a subsidiary of AVIC, able to withstand up to 350°Celcius and lighter than a Titanium alloy.

(the same pic as Cao's)

Looks like sharkfin.
 
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