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Chinese cyber spy network hacks into 103 nations

You're doing wonders for the aussie stereotype of being a tad slow.

I am not being slow at all. You are simply not understanding that posting saying "The U.S airforce does it" is not discussing the topic, it's just going off topic.

All i want you to do is to stop hijacking the thread.

All your posting is crap about the U.S airforce and how they have cyber warefar divisions. THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT THE U.S AIRFORCE. Talking about the U.S Airforce is not discussing the topic.

How can you not understand?

Discuss the article, or don't post here.

P.S This thread is now onto it's second page of me asking you not to hijack the thread. You have totally destroyed it. I have reported your posts to the admin. Theres no chance for constructive discussion now. Thanks alot.
 
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Man you guys drive me crazy. You act as if the posting of this news article is some how an insult towards you so you try to defend yourself by saying "OHHH OTHER COUNTRIES DO IT" This isn't a ******* insult, it's simply a discussion about China and it's cyber warefare activities.

IT'S NOT ABOUT THE U.S AIRFORCE OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY AND WEATHER OR NOT THEY USE CYBER WAREFARE. IT'S ABOUT CHINA AND IT'S RECENT ACTIVITY.


It's not that freaking hard to understand. Stop hijacking the thread. You have just destroyed any possible discussion with your crap.
 
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If a thread is made talking about the floods in pakistan, would i come in and start talking about floods in China? NO, the thread is about the pakistan floods.

So it's the same damn thing.

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT CHINA. NOT THE U.S OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY.

All posts have been reported for hijacking the thread and taking it off topic and for your trolling.

I will be reposting this thread so a discussion can actually happen.
 
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God, you are dense!

Go over the posts again. You post something about Chinese cyber spying, I say no big deal! pretty much everyone does it, hence it is pretty pointless to say such and such hack this country.

I go on to give an example of how other major powers also conduct cyber espionage, as a normal part of its intelligence gather. Hence the articles about the US Airforce's dedicated cyberwarfare brigade (which was conveniently in the news)

I can't believe I had to spell it out word for word.
A diversion of Internet traffic is not the same as securing one's own network from intrusions. The diversion of Internet traffic for 18 min is what China allegedly did. Your (snail)mail, despite the envelope being outside of your sovereign domicile, is supposed to be protected from being diverted to another address, unlike it is a mistake, and if the envelope is diverted to my house, and I eyeballed it for 18 min, you would be up in arms and scream bloody murder. The USAF cyberwarfare division does not have the capability to divert Internet traffic to its own servers.
 
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You're doing wonders for the aussie stereotype of being a tad slow.
That's a personal attack, but I still laughed my @$$ off. :lol:

You are not getting my point, i know why you are talking about the U.S AirForce, but what i am saying is that this is not the place for it. This thread is a discussion on the recent actions of the chinese cyber spy network, NOT about if the U.S does it or not. This is what your trying to turn the thread into.
I am not being slow at all. You are simply not understanding that posting saying "The U.S airforce does it" is not discussing the topic, it's just going off topic.
IT'S NOT ABOUT THE U.S AIRFORCE OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY AND WEATHER OR NOT THEY USE CYBER WAREFARE. IT'S ABOUT CHINA AND IT'S RECENT ACTIVITY.
It's kind of like discussing the British involvement in the Gulf War, but refusing to discuss anyone else who were involved in it, like the Saudis or Saddam Hussein.

If a thread is made talking about the floods in pakistan, would i come in and start talking about floods in China? NO, the thread is about the pakistan floods.
People have talked about the Chinese floods, and even the Indian floods, without much opposition in those threads. You know why? BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL RELATED TO EACH OTHER.

The USAF cyberwarfare division does not have the capability to divert Internet traffic to its own servers.
Oh, they most likely do have the capability. I think you meant that they don't do it.
 
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Chinese Firm 'Hijacked' U.S. Data - WSJ.com

By MICHAEL R. CRITTENDEN And SHAYNDI RAICE

A state-owned Chinese telecom firm "hijacked" massive volumes of Internet traffic earlier this year by redirecting it unnecessarily through servers in China, a congressionally appointed panel said Wednesday.

During an 18-minute stretch on April 8, China Telecom rerouted traffic sent to about 15% of the Internet's destinations, including branches of the U.S. armed services, the U.S. Senate and companies like Microsoft Corp., the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission said in its annual report.

The commission, set up by Congress a decade ago to examine the security implications of growing economic ties with China, said it couldn't determine whether the misdirection was malicious or how the messages might have been used. But it said the incident appeared to be part of a broader pattern of computer and Internet exploitation, possibly sponsored by the Chinese government.

"Persistent reports of that nation's use of malicious computer activities raise questions about whether China might seek intentionally...to assert some level of control over the Internet, even for a brief period," the report said.

China Telecom, in a statement, denied "any hijack of Internet traffic."

A Chinese government spokesman didn't immediately respond to requests for comment.

State-run Chinese newspaper Global Times reported that Chinese experts were saying the reports have little merit because the majority of data in the world is routed through the U.S.

The incident highlights the security vulnerabilities of the public Internet, which uses a trust-based system to route data from one server to another. Information follows the most efficient path, not necessarily the shortest, and servers advertise their ability to handle traffic.

In the incident on April 8, China Telecom sent erroneous messages that led servers around the world to route traffic through the country, the commission said. The tactic could be used to spy on specific users, disrupt communications or conceal a separate attack, the commission said.

"That is where the flaw is," said Paul Strassmann, a professor of information sciences at George Mason School of Information Technology and Engineering and a former director of defense information at the Pentagon. "There are 100,000 routers in the world. Any router can be spooked to do this."

While it is difficult to establish direct responsibility for such incidents, the sophistication, size and targets of the attacks suggest some level of state support, commission Vice Chairman Carolyn Bartholomew told reporters Tuesday.

The incident comes amid growing concerns on Capitol Hill and in the Pentagon about China's heightened technological capabilities. The Senate version of the annual defense-spending bill includes a provision that would heighten its oversight of technology vendors' supply chains, many of which begin in China. Sprint Nextel Corp. recently rejected bids by Chinese equipment suppliers, largely due to security concerns in Washington.

"Our concern is the potential," said Larry Wortzel, a member of the commission and most recently director of Asian studies at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank. "We really don't know whether it was malicious. And what we're doing is saying that if it was, these are the concerns we have. And even if it wasn't, we need to protect against it in the future."
 
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US' Web-hijacking claim is 'ridiculous' - People's Daily Online November 18, 2010

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The US-China Economic and Security Review Commission pointed at China Telecom, saying that the company redirected about 15 percent of the world's Web traffic in April for 18 minutes through servers in China.Photo:Xinhua

IT experts in Beijing Wednesday blasted a report accusing a Chinese State-run telecom company of hijacking massive Internet traffic toward US military and government sites earlier this year.

The US-China Economic and Security Review Commission pointed at China Telecom, saying that the company redirected about 15 percent of the world's Web traffic in April for 18 minutes through servers in China, according to US-based ABC News, which obtained a draft copy of the report.

The report was submitted to US Congress and was scheduled to be published in the US this morning.

Chinese experts call such assertion "ridiculous and unreasonable," as they say the United States, with the world's most advanced technology, controls the majority of the digital information flow.

It affected Internet traffic toward websites, including those of government-owned sites such as the office of the secretary of defense, NASA and four military branches - the army, navy, marine corps and air force - as well as commercial sites such like Yahoo, Dell and Microsoft, the ABC News report said, citing the draft.

The Internet visits to these websites, most of which originated in the US, should have gone through the shortest available route instead of via China, according to the draft.

"Although the commission has no way to determine what, if anything, the Chinese telecommunications firm did to the hijacked data, incidents of this nature could have a number of serious implications. This level of access could enable surveillance of specific users or sites," according to the draft.

"Any attempt to do this would likely be counter to the interests of the United States and other countries," it added.

Song Guixiang, chief press officer at China Telecom, told the Global Times by phone Wednesday that she had taken note of the media reports, and the company was investigating the situation.

An engineer with China Telecom, who declined to be named, told the Global Times Wednesday that it is absurd to allege that an Internet service provider could disrupt the world's Internet traffic by rerouting 15 percent of it through its own servers, since such a vast amount of information would greatly lag the operation of the servers or even paralyze it.

Lü Benfu, director of the Internet Development Research Center at the Chinese Academy of Sciences, told the Global Times that "there are nine major routers in the world, and eight of them are in the US and one is in Europe. The Web information flow is controlled by the US, while China just holds a branch line of the global traffic. So this kind of accusation is technically unfeasible."

The draft report alluded to a Google incident from earlier this year, by saying China's history of "malicious computer activities raise questions about whether China might seek intentionally to leverage this ability to assert some level of control over the Internet, even for a brief period."

In January, Google had a falling out with the Chinese government after Google claimed that it had detected a highly sophisticated and targeted attack on Gmail accounts of some activists in China.

The Internet search engine powerhouse threatened to pull out of China. The standoff over alleged content censorship ended up with Google redirecting its site to Hong Kong.

Hu Yanping, director of the Data Center of China Internet, also told the Global Times Wednesday that the latest accusation is "ridiculous and unreasonable."

"Politicizing the incident is a way to bash China, which it believes poses a security threat," Hu said.

Lü commented that, despite the US' dominant position in the flow of information online, it is still highly concerned about Internet security and is using the data-diversion incident to call attention to the issue and criticize China again.


Liu Linlin and Guo Qiang contributed to this story
By Zhu Shanshan, Global Times
 
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Guy's let's stop derailing the thread for now and actually LISTEN TO what Xdrive has to say. He posted the news but before he can say anything you guys jumped.

So let's listen to what he has to say.

So Xdrive, what comments do you have about the allegation that China cyber spy network hacks into 103 nations.

We're all ears.
 
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