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China's two aircraft carriers in apparent simultaneous exercises for 1st time: reports
By Liu Xuanzun Source: Global Times Published: 2020/9/6 18:32:27

After China's second aircraft carrier, the Shandong, embarked on a training voyage in the Bohai Sea last week, the country's first carrier, the Liaoning, was spotted leaving its base and sailing in the Yellow Sea during the weekend. This was the first time known to the general public that China had two active aircraft carriers out at sea for apparent simultaneous exercises.

With the Shandong gradually gaining combat capability and the two carriers training together, China will eventually be capable of deploying a dual carrier combat group, a tactic useful in high-intensity warfare — including possible reunification-by-force operations on the island of Taiwan and resistance against US provocations in the South China Sea, analysts predicted on Sunday.

Citing foreign commercial satellite images, Beijing-based Modern Ships magazine reported on Saturday that the Liaoning recently set out from its base in Qingdao, East China's Shandong Province for exercises.

The Liaoning was in the Yellow Sea not far from its base as of Saturday, according to foreign commercial satellite services openly accessible to the general public. Photos taken by local residents and circulated on social media also showed the Liaoning had recently embarked on a voyage.

The ship's movement came shortly after the country's other carrier — the Shandong — set out from a shipyard on Tuesday for military exercises in the Bohai Sea, Hong Kong-based news website wenweipo.com reported at that time.

The Shandong's presence in the Bohai Sea was also confirmed by satellite images on Thursday.

This was apparently the first time China's two aircraft carriers have been on training missions simultaneously since the country's second carrier Shandong entered service in December 2019, the Modern Ships report said.

China has not yet officially confirmed the two carriers' operations, not to mention details on their missions

The wenweipo.com report predicted the Shandong would likely conduct integrated training with fighter jets, and observers speculated that the Liaoning could be just conducting routine training missions, since it is not far away from its port.

The report by Modern Ships magazine said whether the two carriers for the first time form a combat group for exercises, conduct back-to-back confrontational exercises, or hold long-range coordination exercises as two independent combat groups, the latest move will open a new chapter for the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) Navy to deploy carriers.

A Chinese military expert told the Global Times on Sunday on condition of anonymity that since China has launched its second carrier, it is only a matter of time before the PLA Navy gains the capability to simultaneously operate two carriers in multiple approaches, including a dual carrier combat group.

Compared with two separate carrier combat groups, a dual carrier combat group offers a significant boost in efficiency and capability, particularly in the deployment of fighter jets, the expert said.

Even if these simultaneous exercises do not see the two carriers interact with each other this time, it will be another significant step toward a true dual carrier era for the PLA Navy, the expert said.

Beijing-based naval expert Li Jie told the Global Times that China's two carriers will become key forces at a time when China has been facing military pressure from countries like the US in the Taiwan Straits and the South China Sea, and potentially from India on China's key maritime transport lanes.

Two aircraft carriers can squeeze the island of Taiwan from different angles, and together with the DF-21D and DF-26 anti-ship ballistic missiles of the PLA Rocket Force, they can lock down the island and deny possible US intervention, Li said. They can also play a role in protecting crucial maritime transport lanes like the Strait of Malacca.

 
Impressive capability China has attained. Looking forward to witnessing China's first CATOBAR Aircraft Carrier in the not too distant future!!
 
I say double the amount of steel to hit the ocean floor
Big talk is cheap, US is all talking, why didn't you try to save you ally South Vietnam in 1974 when China sent every single of their ships to hit the ocean floor? why your whole seventh fleet was just sitting very close to the battle field and did nothing other than watching them burn and sink?
 
Big talk is cheap, US is all talking, why didn't you try to save you ally South Vietnam in 1974 when China sent every single of their ships to hit the ocean floor? why your whole seventh fleet was just sitting very close to the battle field and did nothing other than watching them burn and sink?

whose side is Vietnam is on now ?

Who cared about S. Vietnam during the cold war ?
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whose side is Vietnam is on now ?

Who cared about S. Vietnam during the cold war ?
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Yeah interests do change. Funny enough the best policy for China should have been to support the Vietnamese Communists but to a minimum degree just so they can keep the north, while the US allies keep south Vietnam. That way Vietnam would have been divided and weaker and so less of a hindrance to the Chinese interests in the region. If I was ruling Beijing that is the policy I would have adopted.😁
 
Yeah interests do change. Funny enough the best policy for China should have been to support the Vietnamese Communists but to a minimum degree just so they can keep the north, while the US allies keep south Vietnam. That way Vietnam would have been divided and weaker and so less of a hindrance to the Chinese interests in the region. If I was ruling Beijing that is the policy I would have adopted.😁
Brilliant idea. So your idea would have allow US troops to set up base in South Vietnam just like South Korea right in your backyard.
 
here a question? how many J15 Carrier Fighter jets do they have?

Having two Carriers is great. Having enough Fighters to launch from it is even better.
 
whose side is Vietnam is on now ?

Who cared about S. Vietnam during the cold war ?

US and South Vietnam were treaty allies on the level of South Korea and just below NATO/Japan. It was far beyond what Taiwan has today. US abandoned them.
 
Yeah interests do change. Funny enough the best policy for China should have been to support the Vietnamese Communists but to a minimum degree just so they can keep the north, while the US allies keep south Vietnam. That way Vietnam would have been divided and weaker and so less of a hindrance to the Chinese interests in the region. If I was ruling Beijing that is the policy I would have adopted.😁
From what I see that is the policy in Korea
 
I do not know what American policy on Taiwan is. If I was China I do not want to find out in a war
I doubt the US would go to war with China if they invade Taiwan, especially if it is a surprise attack and the US does not have enough assets in the area. Most likely total sanctions on China including kicking it out of the dollar system and freezing all Chinese assets. If a massive Chinese buildup was detected early on, the US could have begun to move much greater forces in the Pacific region and thus a showdown would be more likely, since the US would be fighting on greater footing than normal strength.
here a question? how many J15 Carrier Fighter jets do they have?

Having two Carriers is great. Having enough Fighters to launch from it is even better.
24 to 36 ... probably around 28.
 
Brilliant idea. So your idea would have allow US troops to set up base in South Vietnam just like South Korea right in your backyard.
Yep that would have been better than having a hostile neighbour that is United in challenging my claims and interests in the region. Big powers can always negotiate when their interests converge on some issues and even make concessions. However when you are dealing with smaller weaker players that are united then it's far more difficult to come to any sort of agreement and much less get them to compromise, since they tend to be far more emotional on such Issues. You can see this from the Indian-Pakistani conflicts over the years, compare it with the relatively peaceful border China has had with India.
 
From what I see that is the policy in Korea
Well, not really, Korea is different from Vietnam. Had China succeeded in pushing the US out of Korea and uniting Korea under the Kim regime then it would have been the best outcome for China. Since Koreans have always had a bigger enmity and hatred of Japan and thus always regarded Japan as their biggest enemy/threat even to this day(they have been kept from open conflict and hostility only because of the US so far). So both Chiba and Korea have common interests. So a united Korea that is communist would have been an even better outcome for Beijing and this would have served as a big ally for China on the region to use against Japan and by extension the US. The fact that China doesn't have a big territorial dispute with Korea helps even more.
Compare this with Vietnam , a country that has always had fights, issues and disagreement with the Chinese and coupled to a large land and sea dispute between the 2 countries. Only a fool couldn't have foreseen that uniting Vietnam (under any regime) would have been against Chinese interests in the region. 😁
 

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