China’s state rocket company unveils rendering of a [SpaceX] Starship look-alike

[F-22Raptor]

Bahahahahahaha

China isn’t doing anything close to what SpaceX is building in Boca Chica Texas. And SpaceX is doing it rapidly.

 

[Beidou2020]

China isn’t doing anything close to what SpaceX is building in Boca Chica Texas. And SpaceX is doing it rapidly.

Muahahahahahahahaha

 

[Beast]

China isn’t doing anything close to what SpaceX is building in Boca Chica Texas. And SpaceX is doing it rapidly.

Has space x landed on mars or moon? Or return any lunar sample? Not to mention building a space station enough for 3-4 crew for long duration in space... Tell me.

 

[Goritoes]

Indeed. Anybody that speaks Chinese virus will need to be banned too.

Agreed

 

[War Thunder]

Why couldn't you think of this back in 2000?
Are the Chinese truly that helpless that you can't have enough imagination on your own to think out of the box...like we do all the time???

Why are we never getting ideas from YOU?

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At least you attempted thinking something new with this. Obviously not going to handle corners but seems doable in straight lines if you have autonomous cars and no pedestrians.

What's so bad in learning from what works and making it work and some times work even better?

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

What's so bad in learning from what works and making it work and some times work even better?

The problem is you end up with a society mindset of not willing to explore new solutions resulting in having an agrarian society that barely moved forward after thousands of years. Only when seeing others having gotten something to work do you embrace/risk a change.

 

[j20blackdragon]

Are the Chinese truly that helpless that you can't have enough imagination on your own to think out of the box...like we do all the time???

Why are we never getting ideas from YOU?

There is no "we" in any of SpaceX's achievements. The SpaceX engineers get all the credit. You and the 18-20 million Americans STILL receiving unemployment benefits (now over a year into the pandemic) have never innovated ANYTHING from your trailer park.

The Chinese are excellent followers. I’ll give them that much.

What is there to follow?

Starship SN8: exploded on landing.
Starship SN9: exploded on landing.
Starship SN10: hard landing, exploded eight minutes after landing.
Starship SN11: explodes in mid-air, debris falls from the sky.
Starship SN15: will launch maybe tomorrow.

Four Tries, four Failures. Shouldn't China at least wait for a successful landing before they start copying?

Here's a hypothetical. When the dust finally settles in 10 years, and China ends up with a fully commercialized Starship (along with possibly TSTO and SSTO spaceplanes), and SpaceX continues to struggle with a spotty launch record, would China still be copying? Or would China be ahead?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1386956794409353217

 

[patero]

The problem is you end up with a society mindset of not willing to explore new solutions resulting in having an agrarian society that barely moved forward after thousands of years. Only when seeing others having gotten something to work do you embrace/risk a change.

A highly controlled risk averse society will lead to stagnation, much like the Soviet Union.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

What is there to follow?

Starship SN8: exploded on landing.
Starship SN9: exploded on landing.
Starship SN10: hard landing, exploded eight minutes after landing.
Starship SN11: explodes in mid-air, debris falls from the sky.
Starship SN15: will launch maybe tomorrow.

Four Tries, four Failures. Shouldn't China at least wait for a successful landing before they start copying?

All I can say is please read these words of wisdom very very very carefully.

In other words if you don't attempt/risk taking any shots you may as well be a spectator up in the stands simply watching the game.


So SpaceX is shooting for a 100% reusable heavy lift spaceship.

So far the puck has not gone in the net...but at least they are out on the ice taking shots instead of up in the stands doing nothing. You aren't ruining your record/reputation by missing shots...you are ruining it by not taking any shots.

The same can be said of all the innovators who move mankind forward.

 

[antonius123]

All I can say is please read these words of wisdom very very very carefully.

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In other words if you don't attempt/risk taking any shots you may as well be a spectator up in the stands simply watching the game.


So SpaceX is shooting for a 100% reusable heavy lift spaceship.
So far the puck has not gone in the net...but at least they are out on the ice taking shots instead of up in the stands doing nothing.

The same can be said of all the innovators who move mankind forward.

China first attempt and was successful is a distinctive achievement

What's so bad in learning from what works and making it work and some times work even better?

Who said so?

Why should we invent new shape of wheel if the round is already effective shape for a rod?

Or, do you have any other example of the possible alternative shape/system of the rocket that you think effective but not tried yet?

 

[Beast]

All I can say is please read these words of wisdom very very very carefully.

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In other words if you don't attempt/risk taking any shots you may as well be a spectator up in the stands simply watching the game.


So SpaceX is shooting for a 100% reusable heavy lift spaceship.

So far the puck has not gone in the net...but at least they are out on the ice taking shots instead of up in the stands doing nothing. You aren't ruining your record/reputation by missing shots...you are ruining it by not taking any shots.

The same can be said of all the innovators who move mankind forward.

US will not have unlimited funds forever. Sooner or later, risk assessment need to take into consideration rather than reckless and blind tried or foolish attempt of any innovation.

 

[antonius123]

US will not have unlimited funds forever. Sooner or later, risk assessment need to take into consideration rather than reckless and blind tried or foolish attempt of any innovation.

This will keep hapenning, as long as US dollar remain the most preferred foreign reserve currency hence US can run deficit budget on and on.

That is the good explanation why US is so lavish in military expenditure including in research & development recklessly @Hamartia Antidote

 

[Beast]

This will keep hapenning, as long as US dollar remain the most preferred foreign reserve currency hence US can run deficit budget on and on.

That is the good explanation why US is so lavish in military expenditure including in research & development recklessly @Hamartia Antidote

There is a limit. If not, why US need to restrict CVN only to 10. US space shuttle cancel. Many old Tico destroyer awaiting to be replaced cannot retired becos no budget for new ships.

There is a limit to printing money. US Federal knows that. They are now under a lot more pressure to keep everything in budget. The Chinese yuan will only further aggregate the situation for US.

 

[j20blackdragon]

Or, do you have any other example of the possible alternative shape/system of the rocket that you think effective but not tried yet?

It's not about the shape of the rocket. It's about SpaceX's ability to demonstrate long term reusability of their so-called reusable rockets. The Falcon 9 has been flying since 2010, but the most-flown Falcon 9 booster currently in SpaceX’s inventory only has logged nine launches and landings, they call this the life leader. The Falcon 9 rocket’s upper stage remains a single-use component. NOBODY in the commercial launch industry has successfully re-flown an orbital-class booster.

Even Musk himself admits that the Falcon 9 is NOT a rapidly reusable rocket because turnaround time between Falcon 9 booster flights is more than a month.

“But landing out to sea, and then having to bring it back, and then taking a month or so to get it ready for launch, I wouldn’t call that rapid by aircraft standards,” Musk said.

What is the cost of refurbishment between flights? We have no idea.
Is SpaceX making any money at all? We have no idea LOL.

 

[antonius123]

It's not about the shape of the rocket. It's about SpaceX's ability to demonstrate long term reusability of their so-called reusable rockets. The Falcon 9 has been flying since 2010, but the most-flown Falcon 9 booster currently in SpaceX’s inventory only has logged nine launches and landings, they call this the life leader. The Falcon 9 rocket’s upper stage remains a single-use component. NOBODY in the commercial launch industry has successfully re-flown an orbital-class booster.

Even Musk himself admits that the Falcon 9 is NOT a rapidly reusable rocket because turnaround time between Falcon 9 booster flights is more than a month.

“But landing out to sea, and then having to bring it back, and then taking a month or so to get it ready for launch, I wouldn’t call that rapid by aircraft standards,” Musk said.

What is the cost of refurbishment between flights? We have no idea.
Is SpaceX making any money at all? We have no idea LOL.

But he is talking about shape and method of vertical launch and vertical landing that resemble between that of spacex and that of china.