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China’s Space Program Suggests Decoupling Won’t Work Like the US Hopes
The U.S. has long frozen China out of space cooperation. That hasn’t stopped China from making substantial progress.
By Brantly Womack
December 16, 2020

China’s space program – a long-time victim of political distancing from NASA – is completing a trip to the moon to bring back lunar samples. As part of the Chang’e 5 mission, a lander gathered rocks from the surface of the moon and then transferred them to the orbiter, which plans to return to earth December 17. This is a first for China’s ambitious space program, though a modest one by American standards. On the same day the Chinese landed, NASA rather peevishly announced contracts for as little as one dollar for lunar soil to be collected by private space companies in the next few years, and a few days later it named the astronauts for future manned American lunar missions.

But though U.S. astronauts reached the moon in 1969, China is not 50 years behind in the space race. In 2019, it completed 33 successful orbital launches while the United States did 20. Next year it plans to launch the core unit of its own modular space station, to be finished by 2022 over the course of 10 missions. Further down the road, it has plans for Mars exploration and for a gigantic space-based solar power generator.

China’s progress in space has been achieved in spite of a complete decoupling by the United States. In contrast to NASA’s successful space collaboration with the Russians, the American agency has shunned China. Joint space missions between the U.S. and the Soviets began in 1975, when the two nations were Cold War enemies. The International Space Station (ISS), the pinnacle of this collaboration, was proposed in 1984 and became operational in 2000. But the United States kept China out of the ISS. Congress then drove the decoupling home in 2011 with a law forbidding any collaboration between NASA and any Chinese entity, even to the point of barring Chinese visitors from entering NASA facilities. And there can be no U.S. components in any satellite launched by China.

China’s space program is thus the perfect test case for current American discussions of the advantages and disadvantages of decoupling. Is it a good idea to minimize collaboration and to cut China off from high-tech inputs? Can the United States get its allies to cooperate? Can China be isolated? Can its progress be stopped?

The short answer is that attempts to isolate China are more likely to result in American self-isolation and the loss of collaborative opportunities. Clearly NASA has not kept China earth-bound. But China would rather not go it alone in space. It is building its space station modules to be compatible with the docking requirements of the ISS, just in case the American mood changes. Meanwhile, NASA’s space exploration is chronically underfunded. Cooperation with Russia has been essential to ISS operations, despite continuing political tensions. Similarly, China’s enthusiasm as a first-timer could have been coupled with American know-how as an old-timer.

It is certainly the case that China benefits from access to American technological innovation as well as to its markets and capital. Forcing China to do without critical American inputs has caused severe crises in its high-tech industries. But reinventing the wheel is not as difficult as inventing it the first time. As Simon Kuznets, the guru of economic development, pointed out long ago, innovation produces needs as well as means. China has the need, and will find the way to re-engineer its American components. With decoupling, China loses time and gains an enemy, but neither is a game-changer.

What does the United States lose by decoupling? China is the world leader in terms of the scale and efficiency of goods production. The old saw that “China produces 80 percent of the quality for 60 percent of the price” is still mostly true, though both quality and price are inching upwards. A “made in USA” economy would become a boutique of expensive domestic substitutes, and its exports would price themselves out of competition. If, for example, the United States can’t keep Chinese furniture out of its own market except by shutting it out, then why would Belgium buy U.S. furniture? In space, American restrictions on satellite content are making other countries, including Europeans, go to China for their satellites as well as for the launch vehicles needed to get them into orbit. And to the extent that the United States becomes a self-centered boutique economy, its prestige and role as a global economic center will diminish. Thinking that America can close its eyes and China will go away is reminiscent of the famous London headline long ago: “Fog in Channel; Continent Isolated.”

The planned Chinese space station is a good metaphor for what is happening here on Earth. It was inconvenienced but not stopped by NASA’s decoupling – in fact, it was made necessary by decoupling. It is not a threat to the ISS, but the exclusivity of the ISS has created a rival. There is room out there for two space stations, but cooperation would be more effective, as it already is within the ISS itself.

 
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The reason why the USA wants to go back to the moon, is because the US never went in the first place. The photos and videos of the landing were done in studios as photographers pointed out the photos were fake.

10 years ago, the US still did not develop the technology to send anybody to the moon. As US own "government" documentary pointed out.

China should seek to beat the US to the moon. Do the mission as the second country to the moon when you know you will be first.
 
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Even the hardliner american media soften their stance. American only respect power. U show them power and they will treat u as one.

Chang e 5 is the power. It is not modest by American standard. In fact, it set the bar for American space to follow. Artemis mission badly need deep space autonomous docking technology to succeed, for resupplying. I seriously doubt NASA is capable of that. Sending a manned resupply module to lunar orbit is risky,expensive and ill efficient. The american are eyeing this technology from China.

Chang e 5 and Long March 5 rocket gives CNSA the exclusive qualification to reach first tier space level with American and Russian.
 
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China collects Moon samples, may not share with NASA due to Wolf Amendment
The country returned about 2kg of rocks from the Moon's surface.
ERIC BERGER - 53 minutes ago


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Enlarge / Workers at the landing site of the return capsule of China's Chang'e 5 probe in Siziwang Banner, north China's Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region, on Dec. 17, 2020.


China's increasingly ambitious space program completed a 23-day mission on Wednesday that culminated in the return of about 2kg of rocks from the Moon. During the final phase of the mission, a singed spacecraft carrying the lunar cargo landed in Mongolia and was recovered by Chinese teams.

This Chang'e 5 mission represents a significant success for China and its space program, becoming only the third nation—after the United States with its crewed Apollo program and the Soviet Union with a robotic program in the 1970s—to return samples from the Moon.

During a post-landing news conference, Chinese officials said they would emulate the United States and Soviet Union in sharing the samples with international partners, including the United Nations. However, sharing material with the United States seems unlikely due to the Wolf Amendment, a law passed by Congress in 2011 that prohibits direct cooperation with China.

"The Chinese government is ready to share samples, including data, with all like-minded institutions from other countries," said Wu Yanhua, vice administrator of the China National Space Administration. However, he then called the Wolf Amendment adopted by Congress "unfortunate" and indicated direct cooperation with NASA would probably not occur.


Some US space officials, including former NASA Administrator Charles Bolden, have called for the Wolf Amendment to be rescinded and said the space agency should be allowed to work with China on current and future problems. The US Congress, however, has continued to block this due to concerns about the potential theft of US technology that might arise from such partnerships. It is not clear whether the Biden administration will review these rules.

Now that this mission is complete, China intends to continue expanding its lunar program. Next up, in a few years, the Chang'e 6 mission will seek to return 2kg of rocks from the Moon's South Pole and investigate the prevalence of water ice in the region. Future missions will include landers, bases, and more opportunities for scientific research.

During the news conference, Wu said the country would eventually send humans—called taikonauts in China—to the Moon but did not set a date for this mission. The country still must develop several technologies to make this happen. However, he said, when China does go to the Moon, it will be to conduct research and benefit humanity, not as part of some "space race" like the United States and Soviet Union undertook in the 1960s.

NASA is also interested in returning to the Moon with humans during the 2020s. Whether China's increasing interest in Earth's companion spurs Congress or the Biden administration to more fully fund NASA's Artemis program ambitions, however, will not be clear until the next couple of budget cycles are complete.

 
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It won't. I said this many times before but Trumpers are too Low IQ and ignorant about the world to understand this. Trump woke up a sleeping dragon. We will only see the damage from his idiotic actions many years from now.
 
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Even the hardliner american media soften their stance. American only respect power. U show them power and they will treat u as one.

Chang e 5 is the power. It is not modest by American standard. In fact, it set the bar for American space to follow. Artemis mission badly need deep space autonomous docking technology to succeed, for resupplying. I seriously doubt NASA is capable of that. Sending a manned resupply module to lunar orbit is risky,expensive and ill efficient. The american are eyeing this technology from China.

Chang e 5 and Long March 5 rocket gives CNSA the exclusive qualification to reach first tier space level with American and Russian.

I would still give USA 10 years ahead of china in space. 2015 Space X landed a rocket back on earth. China is planning it on 2025 despite Long march 8 this year. Morover USA started building a private space sector almost 10 years ago whereas china started only in 2018 or so i think (ispace etc). To be a space player you need a robust pvt sector which takes care of all LEO, GEO commercial satellite and a national space player who takes care of moon lauches and mars lanuches and provides tech guidance to pvt players.
 
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I would still give USA 10 years ahead of china in space. 2015 Space X landed a rocket back on earth. China is planning it on 2025 despite Long march 8 this year. Morover USA started building a private space sector almost 10 years ago whereas china started only in 2018 or so i think (ispace etc). To be a space player you need a robust pvt sector which takes care of all LEO, GEO commercial satellite and a national space player who takes care of moon lauches and mars lanuches and provides tech guidance to pvt players.
I seriously disagree. Space X is only good in showing payload capacity. While their project of retrieve sample and deep space exploration capabilities r yet to be proven.

CNSA has just prove its deep space coordination and exploration very mature. They even attempt a deep space lunar orbit autonomou docking which is a feat. This require strong hardware and censor as it's out of range of earth based position system like for ISS. Before that nobody ever dare to attempt it.

I would say each space agency has its strong point but to put one has a 10years ahead of another is an overstatement.

Just like to claim India space agency is far ahead of JAXA is an overstatement just becos of a Mars orbiter success as ISRO has yet to prove its payload capacity matching Japanese counterpart.
 
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I seriously disagree. Space X is only good in showing payload capacity. While their project of retrieve sample and deep space exploration capabilities r yet to be proven.

CNSA has just prove its deep space coordination and exploration very mature. They even attempt a deep space lunar orbit autonomou docking which is a feat. This require strong hardware and censor as it's out of range of earth based position system like for ISS. Before that nobody ever dare to attempt it.

I would say each space agency has its strong point but to put one has a 10years ahead of another is an overstatement.

Just like to claim India space agency is far ahead of JAXA is an overstatement just becos of a Mars orbiter success as ISRO has yet to prove its payload capacity matching Japanese counterpart.

Yes but in payload delivery they got a 10 year lead with re-usable rockets. But lets see if china maintaines it autonomous docking lead and catches up in payload delivery.
 
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Yes but in payload delivery they got a 10 year lead with re-usable rockets. But lets see if china maintaines it autonomous docking lead and catches up in payload delivery.
China don't lack engine but configuration. They are trying our project 921 which will triple current long March 5 payload.

 
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China don't lack engine but configuration. They are trying our project 921 which will triple current long March 5 payload.


Very different topics. CHina does lack engine applications for rocket re-use. It is working on them but not there yet. Project 921 is still a secret apparently.
 
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I seriously disagree. Space X is only good in showing payload capacity. While their project of retrieve sample and deep space exploration capabilities r yet to be proven.

CNSA has just prove its deep space coordination and exploration very mature. They even attempt a deep space lunar orbit autonomou docking which is a feat. This require strong hardware and censor as it's out of range of earth based position system like for ISS. Before that nobody ever dare to attempt it.

I would say each space agency has its strong point but to put one has a 10years ahead of another is an overstatement.

Just like to claim India space agency is far ahead of JAXA is an overstatement just becos of a Mars orbiter success as ISRO has yet to prove its payload capacity matching Japanese counterpart.
Yet to be proven? Spacex is going to Mars, not retrieving lunar samples that NASA did in its first launch to the moon in the 1960s. Spacex is not interested in that goal. Send a drone to Mars, then I will be impressed what China has done. And Spacex deep exploration capability should not be questioned when they can send a car into deep space.
 
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Yet to be proven? Spacex is going to Mars, not retrieving lunar samples that NASA did in its first launch to the moon in the 1960s. Spacex is not interested in that goal. Send a drone to Mars, then I will be impressed what China has done. And Spacex deep exploration capability should not be questioned when they can send a car into deep space.
Lol.. send a car to space is not deep space exploration. :rofl:

Deep space exploration require huge extensive net work and high robust of your equipment capable of performing adjustment themselves to perfect the task since earth are too far away to send correction or interfere with their work.

Here we are talking about different module doing autonomous docking themselves far from earth in moon orbit unlike manned mission where man judgement can intervene and correct it.
 
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Lol.. send a car to space is not deep space exploration. :rofl:

Deep space exploration require huge extensive net work and high robust of your equipment capable of performing adjustment themselves to perfect the task since earth are too far away to send correction or interfere with their work.
You mean like the Voyager probe leaving our solar system?
 
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Your voyager can land on planet of dock with others in deep space? Tell me?
Depends on the probes mission. Voyager goes taking pictures of planets and goes to solar system. Others land on Mars and explore its surface. China done anything like that yet?
 
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