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China's population growth is slowing and is close to a standstill — throwing into jeopardy its global economic and geopolitical ambitions, experts warn.

The world's second-largest economy reported an increase of 72 million people in the last 10 years in the once-a-decade census, to a total of 1.1411 billion.


But the National Bureau of Statistics said annual growth over the last decade averaged 0.53 percent, down 0.04 percent in the previous decade. The slowdown bolsters evidence of what economists refer to as a demographic time bomb, where many Chinese people could grow old before they grow rich.

Any slowdown is politically sensitive for the ruling Communist Party, which garners much of its legitimacy from a booming economy and social prosperity. For many, having the largest population and standing army in the world are a source of everyday national pride.

A dwindling population could affect China's economic domination, disturb social structures and halt foreign policy goals to become a global superpower.

The report said President Xi Jinping hailed the census, in which more than 1 billion Chinese citizens participated, as "a major survey of national conditions and strength in the new era and a major event for the Party and the country."


The highly-anticipated census, which saw officials conduct door-to-door data collection, was initially due to be published in early April. Instead it was delayed as it required "more preparation work," China's National Bureau of Statistics told The Financial Times newspaper.

NBC News did not receive a reply to a request for comment from the National Bureau of Statistics on the report's delay.

Chinese state media and official bodies pushed back after the newspaper reported the census was set to show a population decline for the first time since a famine that killed millions four decades ago.


Speaking ahead of the census release, Yi Fu-Xian, a senior reproductive scientist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, said a population decline hitting sooner than expected would impact China's "economic, social, science and technology, national defense, foreign affairs and other policies."

It would also have geopolitical implications if neighboring India quickly surpassed China as the world's most populous country, he added, causing Beijing to lose face and be overtaken by a rival.

"The Chinese authorities have so far been afraid to publish the main data of the census, probably because the data do not match expectations. The census results will shock the world," Yi, author of "Big Country with an Empty Nest," said.

With China at risk of entering an irreversible population slide, policymakers are under pressure to come up with family-planning incentives and arrest the falling birth rate.

In an encouraging sign for Chinese policymakers, the proportion of people 14 and under increased to 17.95 percent — an increase from 16.6 percent a decade ago, a low figure caused by the country's decades-old one-child policy, which was revoked in 2016.


However, despite an increase in young people, the number of older people also grew to 18.7 percent of the total, up from 13.26 percent a decade ago and about 10 percent in 2000.

Any future reduction in the proportion of young people could add increased burden to China's working-age population and weigh on productivity.

Kent Deng, professor of economic history at the London School of Economics, said China's population had shown a "clear trend" of decline at a rate between 3 and 4 percent per year over the last 50 years.


He said the dip in population would lead to a decrease in China's labor force and working population and could see more extensions to the country's retirement age.

"Less children will impact on the military," he added, and possibly the long-term stability of the ruling Communist Party.


China's birth rate has continued to fall despite public campaigns and incentives.

That is in part because urban couples, despite parental pressure to have children, increasingly value their independence and careers more than raising a family.


"I have no children and do not plan to have children," Siqi Xiang, 23, a media worker in Beijing, said.

"The cost is too high," she added. Along with "the awakening of female consciousness, we no longer think that fertility is a life-task that must be completed like the generation of our parents."

For Tang Li, 41, a legal worker from the southeastern port city of Xiamen and a mother of one, a second baby is not on her agenda "no matter what policy the government have," she said.

Tang said if she were younger and had fewer financial burdens, she may have considered another child but acknowledged that professional development, quality of life and changing expectations among women had a role to play in families opting for fewer offspring.


At the other end of the social spectrum, an aging population was also a worry, Tang added, with grandparents undertaking substantial child care responsibilities.

"There is nothing we can do. I just decide to save more money by ourselves and exercise better," she added. "I am a staunch patriot ... it would be good to rely on the country but it will definitely not work to rely solely on children."


An unusually frank report from the People's Bank of China in March urged the ruling Communist Party to "fully liberalize and encourage childbirth," it said, citing fears over pension deficits and an expensive, aging population to maintain.

The report also said China could lose out to neighboring India and to the United States as it nears the end of its 'demographic divide' — an economic benefit where the working age population outnumbers the nonworking population.

The research noted that the U.S. also benefits from mass immigration, unlike China.

Last month, the U.S. Census Bureau published its own data that showed overall the American population stood at 331,449,281 as of April 2020 — although slowing, a 7.4 percent increase over the previous decade. The American birth rate also plunged last year, government data released in May found.

"China's aging problem is much more serious than officially announced," scientist Yi said, warning increasing retirement ages could put undue pressure on the economy and "lead to social unrest."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-s-population-still-growing-barely-n1266904
 
1 billion is already quite a lot. America during its hayday in the 1980s was less than 250 million people. After 1990 America was the on the way down.
 
1 billion is already quite a lot. America during its hayday in the 1980s was less than 250 million people. After 1990 America was the on the way down.
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its not about number of people but young people

who is going to take care of 1billion old peoples? robots?

pakistan has 7% population above 60, china almost 20% and growing fast by 2030 this will be almost 30%
 
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its not about number of people but young people

who is going to take care of 1billion old peoples? robots?

pakistan has 7% population above 60, china almost 20% and growing fast by 2030 this will be almost 30%

Life expectancy is going up a lot, which is the reason of the population growth. The old folk are still alive and kicking while the young people are popping out kids. The more technologically advanced a country, the older people will live, the higher the % of older people. As a matter of fact, if you want to know how technologically advanced is a country, need to look no further than % of older people.
 
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China's population growth is slowing and is close to a standstill — throwing into jeopardy its global economic and geopolitical ambitions, experts warn.

The world's second-largest economy reported an increase of 72 million people in the last 10 years in the once-a-decade census, to a total of 1.1411 billion.


But the National Bureau of Statistics said annual growth over the last decade averaged 0.53 percent, down 0.04 percent in the previous decade. The slowdown bolsters evidence of what economists refer to as a demographic time bomb, where many Chinese people could grow old before they grow rich.

Any slowdown is politically sensitive for the ruling Communist Party, which garners much of its legitimacy from a booming economy and social prosperity. For many, having the largest population and standing army in the world are a source of everyday national pride.

A dwindling population could affect China's economic domination, disturb social structures and halt foreign policy goals to become a global superpower.

The report said President Xi Jinping hailed the census, in which more than 1 billion Chinese citizens participated, as "a major survey of national conditions and strength in the new era and a major event for the Party and the country."


The highly-anticipated census, which saw officials conduct door-to-door data collection, was initially due to be published in early April. Instead it was delayed as it required "more preparation work," China's National Bureau of Statistics told The Financial Times newspaper.

NBC News did not receive a reply to a request for comment from the National Bureau of Statistics on the report's delay.

Chinese state media and official bodies pushed back after the newspaper reported the census was set to show a population decline for the first time since a famine that killed millions four decades ago.


Speaking ahead of the census release, Yi Fu-Xian, a senior reproductive scientist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, said a population decline hitting sooner than expected would impact China's "economic, social, science and technology, national defense, foreign affairs and other policies."

It would also have geopolitical implications if neighboring India quickly surpassed China as the world's most populous country, he added, causing Beijing to lose face and be overtaken by a rival.

"The Chinese authorities have so far been afraid to publish the main data of the census, probably because the data do not match expectations. The census results will shock the world," Yi, author of "Big Country with an Empty Nest," said.

With China at risk of entering an irreversible population slide, policymakers are under pressure to come up with family-planning incentives and arrest the falling birth rate.

In an encouraging sign for Chinese policymakers, the proportion of people 14 and under increased to 17.95 percent — an increase from 16.6 percent a decade ago, a low figure caused by the country's decades-old one-child policy, which was revoked in 2016.


However, despite an increase in young people, the number of older people also grew to 18.7 percent of the total, up from 13.26 percent a decade ago and about 10 percent in 2000.

Any future reduction in the proportion of young people could add increased burden to China's working-age population and weigh on productivity.

Kent Deng, professor of economic history at the London School of Economics, said China's population had shown a "clear trend" of decline at a rate between 3 and 4 percent per year over the last 50 years.


He said the dip in population would lead to a decrease in China's labor force and working population and could see more extensions to the country's retirement age.

"Less children will impact on the military," he added, and possibly the long-term stability of the ruling Communist Party.


China's birth rate has continued to fall despite public campaigns and incentives.

That is in part because urban couples, despite parental pressure to have children, increasingly value their independence and careers more than raising a family.


"I have no children and do not plan to have children," Siqi Xiang, 23, a media worker in Beijing, said.

"The cost is too high," she added. Along with "the awakening of female consciousness, we no longer think that fertility is a life-task that must be completed like the generation of our parents."

For Tang Li, 41, a legal worker from the southeastern port city of Xiamen and a mother of one, a second baby is not on her agenda "no matter what policy the government have," she said.

Tang said if she were younger and had fewer financial burdens, she may have considered another child but acknowledged that professional development, quality of life and changing expectations among women had a role to play in families opting for fewer offspring.


At the other end of the social spectrum, an aging population was also a worry, Tang added, with grandparents undertaking substantial child care responsibilities.

"There is nothing we can do. I just decide to save more money by ourselves and exercise better," she added. "I am a staunch patriot ... it would be good to rely on the country but it will definitely not work to rely solely on children."


An unusually frank report from the People's Bank of China in March urged the ruling Communist Party to "fully liberalize and encourage childbirth," it said, citing fears over pension deficits and an expensive, aging population to maintain.

The report also said China could lose out to neighboring India and to the United States as it nears the end of its 'demographic divide' — an economic benefit where the working age population outnumbers the nonworking population.

The research noted that the U.S. also benefits from mass immigration, unlike China.

Last month, the U.S. Census Bureau published its own data that showed overall the American population stood at 331,449,281 as of April 2020 — although slowing, a 7.4 percent increase over the previous decade. The American birth rate also plunged last year, government data released in May found.

"China's aging problem is much more serious than officially announced," scientist Yi said, warning increasing retirement ages could put undue pressure on the economy and "lead to social unrest."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-s-population-still-growing-barely-n1266904

for fucks sake, one day ago, they say china population goes down, another minute, they say growth slows. Why you spread the fake news in the first place?

and why the heck every china story is "china try to dominate the world" angle? Don't project white colonists onto others, our goal is improve ourselves. Quote “China never seeks to surpass the United States. Our goal is to improve ourselves, surpass ourselves and become a better China,” she said.

Nowadays, anything China does, west media can spin a bad and negative story out of it.

Regarding the population, 1.5 billion is enough and if China wants, we will have more population by doling out benefits to encourage childbirth unlike your incompetent west government can't get anything done
 
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Economic growth will come from productivity increase from automation
and AI. Not from population growth. Having a young and high population growth will be a burden in the future, not an advantage. Manufacturing will be almost fully automated by 2035. People will be losing their manufacturing jobs and moving to service sector jobs. Even many service sector jobs will be automated. As life expectancy increases due to technology advances in healthcare, retirement age will be increased. People will be working well into their 70s in the future. Retiring in your 60s is ridiculous when you have a high average life expectancy.
 
Life expectancy is going up a lot, which is the reason of the population growth. The old folk are still alive and kicking while the young people are popping out kids. The more technologically advanced a country, the older people will live, the higher the % of older people. As a matter of fact, if you want to know how technologically advanced is a country, need to look no further than % of older people.
Yeah...but CN is still far from developed status. CN cars are terrible, cant compete with Toyota, BMW, Huyndai etc, CN ̀5G is boycotted in EU-US-JP-Aussie etc ,CN still cant make advantage chips (5nm) and has to pay alot of $$$ to buy chips from Samsung, TSCM

When CN has less young men, it also means the technology gaps between CN vs EU-US-JP will be much widen bcs old CNese simply cant invent any advance chips, cars etc

Finnally, CN will run out of Dollar to buy chips/ car/ raw materials etc and will be crushed by US due to trade war/ tech war.
 
In the age of AI ,surplus population is likely to be destabilizing agent rather than an asset if not managed properly, especially in nations like India. Where will people get jobs when automation takes over? we are at the brink of AI revolution where AI is about to wipe out most parts of manual jobs.
Manual labour which fueled the growth of china will not be an option for development for the current underdeveloped countries. Only thing that can be of concern for china is the consumer base,but that can be negated by increase in living standard and purchasing power.
 
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In the age of AI ,surplus population is likely to be destabilizing agent rather than an asset. Where will people get jobs when automation takes over? we are at the brink of AI revolution where AI is about to wipe out most parts of manual jobs.
Manual labour which fueled the growth of china will not be an option for development for the current underdeveloped countries. Only thing that can be concern is the consumer base,but that can be negated by change in living standard and purchasing power.

AI enables the population to be freed from the burden of labor. Now people can stay home and enjoy life. Think about it. People in the west now work at home instead of at offices like they used to. All thanks to internet.
 
AI enables the population to be freed from the burden of labor. Now people can stay home and enjoy life. Think about it. People in the west now work at home instead of at offices like they used to. All thanks to internet.
Even in age of AI big population can be an asset if managed properly,but those that can't manage it with a plan,will face the direst of challenges for sustenance.So ,population growth isn't an asset unless they have mapped the plan for the AI age;this is unlikely for most part of the world.
 
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In the age of AI ,surplus population is likely to be destabilizing agent rather than an asset if not managed properly, especially in nations like India. Where will people get jobs when automation takes over? we are at the brink of AI revolution where AI is about to wipe out most parts of manual jobs.
Manual labour which fueled the growth of china will not be an option for development for the current underdeveloped countries. Only thing that can be of concern for china is the consumer base,but that can be negated by increase in living standard and purchasing power.

A.I will force my nation of Bangladesh to actually industrialize lol , it's almost like too much people will cause serious issues for South Asia in the future
AI enables the population to be freed from the burden of labor. Now people can stay home and enjoy life. Think about it. People in the west now work at home instead of at offices like they used to. All thanks to internet.

Easier said then done , not everyone will have the certain skills needed unless luckily people adapt to that way of making money.
 
AI enables the population to be freed from the burden of labor. Now people can stay home and enjoy life. Think about it. People in the west now work at home instead of at offices like they used to. All thanks to internet.
But Cnese cant enjoy life now, you guys still must work hard in shoes/phones factories, coal mines to survive . Of course CN still cant make good cars/ 5nm chips when having less young men and CN 5G/6G will still be boycotted in the future .

Its just the matter of time before CN running out of $$$ and got crushed in trade war/cold war :pop:
 
In the age of AI ,surplus population is likely to be destabilizing agent rather than an asset if not managed properly, especially in nations like India. Where will people get jobs when automation takes over? we are at the brink of AI revolution where AI is about to wipe out most parts of manual jobs.
Manual labour which fueled the growth of china will not be an option for development for the current underdeveloped countries. Only thing that can be of concern for china is the consumer base,but that can be negated by increase in living standard and purchasing power.

Economic growth come from productivity.

In the past everyone worked in agriculture but as technology advanced, productivity increased and less people were involved in agriculture. More agricultural produce with less workers in much faster time. Now agricultural sector is almost fully automated in developed economies. Manufacturing sector is rapidly being automated too. Automated high tech manufacturing will replace manufacturing by people. Factories will be able to run 24/7 with no human involvement. More units produced in a much faster time. Only sector for jobs for humans will be in the service sector. But even in service sector jobs are being replaced by automation and AI.

This is the era of automation and AI. Countries that transition to these 2 technologies will have a huge economic advantage and growth for decades to come. These countries will have a very high standard of living.

Transportation will become fully automated. Even in military, you will need less humans and it will be more about a battle of machine vs machine.

In the future even smaller population countries will be able to compete with larger population countries because of automation and AI. Having large population is good for having large consumer market. It won’t be an advantage for production of goods like in the past. The advantage of large population will not be as big of an advantage as in the past.

Technology upgrading is the most crucial element to stay globally competitive. Not increasing the population.
 
Productivity in the developed world historically grew at 1% per year----so it will take a lot of time before automation will replace humans and a lot lot of money

"At a macroeconomic level, based on our scenario modeling, we estimate automation could raise productivity growth on a global basis by as much as 0.8 to 1.4 percent annually."
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According to this study, China's population will be 731mln by 2100...India 1100mln....Japan 60mln...South korea 24mln...USA 335mln and Pakistan 250mln

Look at the table in this study
 
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