Don't derail the thread sirYeah, we get it...
Chinese stealth fighter = all powerful and Unstoppable.
American stealth fighter = easy target and not so advanced.
Some people don't know what they're talking about. Very simple. That's like asking why a Ferrari would employ a Toyota Camry engine if its intention was to compete in the Grand Prixdelta canards platforms are specially built for air superiority then secondary mission of multi role operations, you forget MIG-1.44 and EURO-CANARDS there main missions is deny RuAF in Europe then their secondary mission of strike and CAS
Just some random blogs western news paper referencespost some articles from jane's, flight global, aviation week they are all saying that J-20 is a air superiority jet with a secondary strike and CAS missions
Martian, I've already told you that the J-20 is specifically designed for excellent subsonic, transonic, and supersonic maneuverability. The fact that CAC's J-20 won over the Shenyang prototype in 2007 due to super-maneuverability should tell you what type of fighter it is. Nuff said.Maneuverability is not that important in a modern fighter.
During the Vietnam War, a fighter's maneuverability was critical for survival in a dogfight.
In contrast, today's jet fighters carry modern off-boresight air-to-air missiles. The F-22 is probably more maneuverable than the J-20 (because the J-20 currently does not have TVC), but it doesn't matter. A Chinese PL-10 air-to-air missile can outmaneuver an F-22.
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New Chinese Weapons Seen On J-10C Fighter | AINonline
"After seven years of development, the PL-10 short-range AAM was introduced last year. Chinese media has highlighted that the PL-10 is the first all-aspect missile in the PLAAF, with a 90-degree off-boresight angle and thrust-vectoring capabilities. It is reported to have a range of at least 20 km and with a multi-element imaging infrared seeker, the PL-10 is said to be very resistant to electronic countermeasures.
The PL-10 has been seen on various test aircraft, including the Shenyang J-16 and Chengdu J-20, as the PLAAF prepares to replace the PL-8 on its next-generation fighters. To further exploit the PL-10’s high off-boresight capabilities, the PLAAF could develop a helmet cueing system, which is currently not seen on any Chinese pilots."
Uhm, the FC-31 from its demonstrations and test-flights does not appear to be very maneuverable (much less than the J-20). That's not really surprising given that it was basically ripped off from the F-35, which by-itself is not a very maneuverable plane.
Well, the thread is titled China's J-31 Stealth Fighter Version 2Yeah, we get it...
Chinese stealth fighter = all powerful and Unstoppable.
American stealth fighter = easy target and not so advanced.
I don't care what you think.Some people don't know what they're talking about. Very simple. That's like asking why a Ferrari would employ a Toyota Camry engine if its intention was to compete in the Grand Prix
Martian, I've already told you that the J-20 is specifically designed for excellent subsonic, transonic, and supersonic maneuverability. The fact that CAC's J-20 won over the Shenyang prototype in 2007 due to super-maneuverability should tell you what type of fighter it is. Nuff said.
Uhm, the FC-31 from its demonstrations and test-flights does not appear to be very maneuverable (much less than the J-20). That's not really surprising given that it was basically ripped off from the F-35, which by-itself is not a very maneuverable plane.
So be it ... if you're so hinged on National Interest articles about the J-20, then I cannot say anything else. But I still highly suggest you read Dr. Song's paper on the J-20 and the ultimate high alpha design
You can create your own thread. Title it however you like. And use strictly Chinese sources.
I am not telling you how to write your thread ... I'm merely saying to read Dr. Song's paper about the J-20. Simple. This is my last post on this thread. If you still don't believe me, that's fine. But the fact is that the J-20's aerodynamic design is optimized for super-maneuverable, high-alpha design. If you insist otherwise, that is fine. But Dr. Song was the mentor of the young Yang Wei and contributed heavily in ensuring that the J-20 had an agile aerodynamic layout ... we should not dismiss him as a crackpot. Bye!
Sorry ... that should have been my last post but I'll respond one more really quickly! Dr. Song's paper has been kindly translated into English. I cannot read Chinese also. Didn't you know that?
Look, I don't really care about whether the J-20 or F-22 is more maneuverable. It was an academic point and missile-technology has superseded the importance of fighter maneuverability.
No sir PL-15 will not have a range of 300 KMChina's PL-15 and PL-12 BVRAAMs (Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air Missiles)
J-10 C fighter jet with new generation air-to-air missiles | Armed Forces Weekly
"The PL-15 is a beyond visual range air-to-air missiles can reach out to over 300 km at a speed greater than Mach 4 (4,900 km/h). The PL-15 can detect, attack and destroy a target with minimum aircrew input.
The PL-10 short-range air-to-air missile is a new generation air-to-air Chinese missile which has a maximum range of 20 km. It has an all-weather, active infrared guidance system. The PL-10 is developed by Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) consortium for use on modern fighter jets such as the stealth J-20.
The PL-15 missile designed to gain and sustain air superiority and shoot down defenseless aerial tankers and airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) aircraft from as far away as 300 kilometers.
The PL-15 employs improved active radar seeker as well as dual pulse rocket motor to destroy targets at extend range when compared to PL-12 beyond-visual-range missile. Its clipped wings will also means this missile is well suited to be internally carried by fifth generation J-20 fighter jets."
but slightly more range than AMRAAM-120D probably 200+ km you're mixing PL-15 and totally different PL-XX
You're kidding, right?No sir PL-15 will not have a range of 300 KM
look it yourself sir
PL-15
It was first rumored in 2011 that 607 Institute was developing the nextgeneration of active radar homing LRAAM dubbed PL-15 replacing PL-12 which is comparable to American AIM-120D . The missile was initially speculated as a PL-12 variant (PL-12C?) but it appears to be a new design. PL-15 features redesigned stabilizing fins and tail control fins with smaller wingspans in order to fit into the internal weapon bay of J-20 (up to 4). A major improvement of the missile is a new a dual pulse rocket motor which could extend its range up to 200km. Its two-way datalink and a new active/passive dual mode AESA seeker onboard will give it an excellent ECCM capability against severe jamming. A PL-15prototype was first seen underneath the wing of a J-11B in 2012. In 2013 PL-15 was first seen inside J-20's main internal weapon bay during its weapon integration tests. It was reported by USintelligence that PL-15 was successfully test-fired in 2015. A recent image (November 2016)suggested that PL-15 can also be carried by the J-10B/C series. The latest image (July 2017) indicated that the missile is being carried by J-16 as well. The further improved version (PL-20?) was rumored to have been under development. It might feature a streamlined missile body with a smaller diameter so that additional missiles can be fitted into the internal weapon bay of J-20 (up to 6).
- Last Updated 7/20/17
PL-X
The latest images (November 2016) indicated a new large VLRAAM is under development and its designation is unknown. Compared to PL-12,it has 4 tail control fins only (coupled with TVC?) and is significantly longer and thicker than PL-12 (length 5.7m, diameter 300mm). Its large size suggests the missile actually belongs to a new class of VLRAAM and not a PL-12 replacement. As the result it cannot be carried internally by the 4th generation fighters such as J-20 but is expected to be carried externally by 3.5th generation long-range fighters/interceptors such as J-11D and J-16. However it may still be carried externally by J-20 underneath its wings. The missile appears to be propelled by a dual pulse rocket motor in favor of a ramjet engine, which has a smaller drag and a slimmer size. It is also speculated to fly a semi-ballistic trajectory similar to American AIM-54 in order to achieve an extra long range (range>300km, speed>Mach 4, cruising altitude 30km). PL-X is believed to feature an advancedguidance system including a two-way datalink and a new active AESA seeker with enhanced ECCM capability. Before the launch the missile must obtain the target information via datalink from an AWACS, a land-based long-range radar or even a satellite. The launch aircraft disengages right after releasing the missile. After the initial ascent stage, the missile may use Beidou/GPS+INS+datalink guidance during the mid-course cruising stage. At the terminal diving stage, in combination with the AESA seeker, it may also use an IIR seeker as indicated by a small optical window in its nose, which further increases its kill probability amid severe jamming.Therefore this VLRAAM could pose a serious threat to high-value aerial targets deep behind the enemy line such as AWACS and tankers, and currently is the only type in this class. It was rumoredin November 2016 that a PL-X was test-fired successfully from a J-16.
- Last Updated 11/23/16
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