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what is wrong with China? GDP per capital is not $10k yet and already slow down? I remember Japan did not slow down till their GDP per capital hit $39k. It's best interests for Vietnam to divert its trade away from China or will be drag to the same hole. The Vietnameses businesses trade with China will soon go bankrupt.
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Singapore is the closest thing Asia has to an economic barometer. Its highly open, trade-reliant economy usually signals when trouble is approaching the global stage. And at the moment, Singapore is flashing clear warning signs.

The city-state's gross domestic product plunged 4.6 percent last quarter, a downturn almost certainly triggered by China. Singapore's plight may mark a dangerous inflection point not just for Asia, but for the entire global economy.

After the 2008 global crisis, China's 9-percent-plus growth picked up the slack from a West licking its financial wounds. But as Asia's biggest economy cools, officials from Seoul to Brasilia are finding themselves without a reliable growth engine. Uneven recoveries in the U.S. and Europe have already slowed the exports that power most Asian economies, including Japan. China's downturn could now throw Asian manufacturing into reverse.

Morgan Stanley's Ruchir Sharma warns that "the next global recession will be made by China." The balance of data -- including Singapore's abrupt shift toward recession -- suggests China isn't growing anywhere near this year's 7 percent target.

Shanghai's day traders celebrated this week's news that Chinese exports rose 2.1 percent in June. The more interesting figure, though, was the 6.7 percent decline in Chinese imports. That helps explain the stunning 14 percent drop in Singaporean manufacturing from the previous three months. The same goes for Singapore's non-oil exports to China, which fell 4.3 percent in May, 5.1 percent in April and plunged 22.7 percent in February.

With Singapore's economy contracting the most since the third quarter of 2012, its government has to act fast. It may be time for another surprise monetary easing (the central bank last engineered one in January). Fiscal stimulus may also be necessary.

"The global outlook remains challenging and far less positive than the picture" four months ago, says economist Hak Bin Chua of Bank of America Merrill Lynch. "China's slowdown, the Greece crisis and weaker growth in the immediate neighborhood of southeast Asia, including Indonesia, Thailand and Malaysia, will likely dampen growth."

The downturn in China, Asia's main customer, will loom especially large. For now, many investors in the region are still bullish about Beijing's efforts to gin up both GDP and stocks. But even the good news on China these days is worrisome. Take its surge in credit growth in June ($300 billion), the most since January. While it's helping to stabilize the economy in the short run, it's also inflating China's debt bubble in sync with its asset bubbles in Shanghai and Shenzhen.

China is facing another problem: diminishing returns. Its stimulus efforts have grown exponentially in size, scope and frequency since the 2008 global crisis. The more China strains to keep GDP growth above the 5 percent range, the more it's putting the global financial system at risk. China's bailouts, after all, are beginning to overlap in surreal ways. This year's massive stock rally was meant to ease the fallout from a seven-year borrowing binge. Now, as Beijing puts a floor under plunging shares, it's effectively bailing out its previous bailout.

Beijing's troubles are now the world's. In 2010, it accounted for roughly 23 percent of global growth. By the end of 2014, that share had surged to at least 38 percent. China punches even further above its weight in the commodity markets that countries from Indonesia to South Africa rely on for growth. "Over the next couple of years," Sharma told Bloomberg News, "China is likely to be the biggest source of vulnerability for the global economy."

China, he adds, could drag global growth below 2 percent, a threshold many would agree is equivalent to a world recession. If Singapore is any guide, it may already be under way.

This column does not necessarily reflect the opinion of the editorial board or Bloomberg LP and its owners.
 
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china economy is a sinking ship, they lost around $3 trillion in a blink of eye when recently their stock market fell by little more than 30%.
 
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What's wrong with Vietnam, gdp per capita is not yet $1000 and there's a color revolution that is about to start already. :o:

'Made In China' Powered By Smuggled Workers

'Made In China' Powered By Smuggled Workers

The smuggling of illegal workers from Vietnam into China is growing, with tens of thousand estimated to be working in factories.

The smuggling of illegal workers from Vietnam across the 1,400-km (840-mile) border into China is growing. Labor brokers estimate that tens of thousands work at factories in the Pearl River Delta, which abuts Hong Kong. Workers from other Southeast Asian nations are joining them
.

Visits by Reuters to a half-dozen factory towns in southern China revealed the employment of illegal workers from Vietnam is widespread, and authorities often turn a blind eye to their presence. Workers from Myanmar and Laos were also discovered to be working in these areas.


So China is slowing down, but illegal workers on the rise, why?
Because Chinese worker's wages is rising, education level is high. We need cheap labor.

what is wrong with China? GDP per capital is not $10k yet and already slow down? I remember Japan did not slow down till their GDP per capital hit $39k. It's best interests for Vietnam to divert its trade away from China or will be drag to the same hole. The Vietnameses businesses trade with China will soon go bankrupt.

越南《经济时报》7月24日报道,上半年,越南宏观经济总体稳定,国内生产总值(GDP)保持低位增长,消费价格指数(CPI)涨幅较低,外商投资同比下降,国际收支基本平衡,但企业生产仍面临困难,就业形势依然严峻。
  据统计总局统计,上半年,越南国内生产总值(GDP)约826亿美元,增长6.28%;最终消费增长8.7%;消费价格指数(CPI)上涨0.55%;社会总投资占GDP的31.1%;信贷增长6.28%;贸易逆差 37.5 亿美元,占出口总额的4.83%,相当于GDP的5.54%;财政赤字相当于GDP的5.56%。

Vietnam GDP per capital not even gets to $2,000, but growth rate is only 6.28%.......

Just slap your own face, bro. Papapa~~~

What the hell is wrong with this SEA supa pawa?
 
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what is wrong with China? GDP per capital is not $10k yet and already slow down? I remember Japan did not slow down till their GDP per capital hit $39k. It's best interests for Vietnam to divert its trade away from China or will be drag to the same hole. The Vietnameses businesses trade with China will soon go bankrupt.
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Singapore is the closest thing Asia has to an economic barometer. Its highly open, trade-reliant economy usually signals when trouble is approaching the global stage. And at the moment, Singapore is flashing clear warning signs.

The city-state's gross domestic product plunged 4.6 percent last quarter, a downturn almost certainly triggered by China. Singapore's plight may mark a dangerous inflection point not just for Asia, but for the entire global economy.

After the 2008 global crisis, China's 9-percent-plus growth picked up the slack from a West licking its financial wounds. But as Asia's biggest economy cools, officials from Seoul to Brasilia are finding themselves without a reliable growth engine. Uneven recoveries in the U.S. and Europe have already slowed the exports that power most Asian economies, including Japan. China's downturn could now throw Asian manufacturing into reverse.

Morgan Stanley's Ruchir Sharma warns that "the next global recession will be made by China." The balance of data -- including Singapore's abrupt shift toward recession -- suggests China isn't growing anywhere near this year's 7 percent target.

Shanghai's day traders celebrated this week's news that Chinese exports rose 2.1 percent in June. The more interesting figure, though, was the 6.7 percent decline in Chinese imports. That helps explain the stunning 14 percent drop in Singaporean manufacturing from the previous three months. The same goes for Singapore's non-oil exports to China, which fell 4.3 percent in May, 5.1 percent in April and plunged 22.7 percent in February.

With Singapore's economy contracting the most since the third quarter of 2012, its government has to act fast. It may be time for another surprise monetary easing (the central bank last engineered one in January). Fiscal stimulus may also be necessary.

"The global outlook remains challenging and far less positive than the picture" four months ago, says economist Hak Bin Chua of Bank of America Merrill Lynch. "China's slowdown, the Greece crisis and weaker growth in the immediate neighborhood of southeast Asia, including Indonesia, Thailand and Malaysia, will likely dampen growth."

The downturn in China, Asia's main customer, will loom especially large. For now, many investors in the region are still bullish about Beijing's efforts to gin up both GDP and stocks. But even the good news on China these days is worrisome. Take its surge in credit growth in June ($300 billion), the most since January. While it's helping to stabilize the economy in the short run, it's also inflating China's debt bubble in sync with its asset bubbles in Shanghai and Shenzhen.

China is facing another problem: diminishing returns. Its stimulus efforts have grown exponentially in size, scope and frequency since the 2008 global crisis. The more China strains to keep GDP growth above the 5 percent range, the more it's putting the global financial system at risk. China's bailouts, after all, are beginning to overlap in surreal ways. This year's massive stock rally was meant to ease the fallout from a seven-year borrowing binge. Now, as Beijing puts a floor under plunging shares, it's effectively bailing out its previous bailout.

Beijing's troubles are now the world's. In 2010, it accounted for roughly 23 percent of global growth. By the end of 2014, that share had surged to at least 38 percent. China punches even further above its weight in the commodity markets that countries from Indonesia to South Africa rely on for growth. "Over the next couple of years," Sharma told Bloomberg News, "China is likely to be the biggest source of vulnerability for the global economy."

China, he adds, could drag global growth below 2 percent, a threshold many would agree is equivalent to a world recession. If Singapore is any guide, it may already be under way.

This column does not necessarily reflect the opinion of the editorial board or Bloomberg LP and its owners.
Have you really checked the history of Japanese GDP growth rate?If you really did,then you wouldn't say something stupid like that.Viets like to talk something they barely know in a attitude like himself is an expert,that's the funniest part.
 
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Yet the Chinese stock market is TWICE the size of the Indian stock market.
Big two, Jiangsu and Guangdong 6.77 trillion yuan and 6.51 trillion yuan respectively.
GDP of each of our strongest two engines is more than 1 trillion US dollar now, and still growing at 7-8%.
So GDP of China's strongest 2 provinces combined is more than entire India.


GDP comparison of Guangdong Province vs Jiangsu Province
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The truth is, the gap between our big two provinces and the entire India is growing bigger and bigger.
 
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All because of Vitnam will emerge a superpower, and will join to TPP, USA don't like China, more foreigner will rush to Vietnam, so now, China is collapsing.
So, please, Vietnamese leave the SCS to us, or, one day we Chinese will starve without the fish and oil In SCS, GOD(USA) bless you.
 
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Millions of Chinese who opened margin trading stock accounts in the past two years and invested right before 12th June 2015 have lost the most about 60%. The impact on China's economy wont be that huge but it would still hurt these new traders/investors. Other then the stock market bubble burst that just happened I see China's economy doing okay.
 
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'Made In China' Powered By Smuggled Workers

'Made In China' Powered By Smuggled Workers

The smuggling of illegal workers from Vietnam into China is growing, with tens of thousand estimated to be working in factories.

The smuggling of illegal workers from Vietnam across the 1,400-km (840-mile) border into China is growing. Labor brokers estimate that tens of thousands work at factories in the Pearl River Delta, which abuts Hong Kong. Workers from other Southeast Asian nations are joining them
.

Visits by Reuters to a half-dozen factory towns in southern China revealed the employment of illegal workers from Vietnam is widespread, and authorities often turn a blind eye to their presence. Workers from Myanmar and Laos were also discovered to be working in these areas.


So China is slowing down, but illegal workers on the rise, why?
Because Chinese worker's wages is rising, education level is high. We need cheap labor.



越南《经济时报》7月24日报道,上半年,越南宏观经济总体稳定,国内生产总值(GDP)保持低位增长,消费价格指数(CPI)涨幅较低,外商投资同比下降,国际收支基本平衡,但企业生产仍面临困难,就业形势依然严峻。
  据统计总局统计,上半年,越南国内生产总值(GDP)约826亿美元,增长6.28%;最终消费增长8.7%;消费价格指数(CPI)上涨0.55%;社会总投资占GDP的31.1%;信贷增长6.28%;贸易逆差 37.5 亿美元,占出口总额的4.83%,相当于GDP的5.54%;财政赤字相当于GDP的5.56%。

Vietnam GDP per capital not even gets to $2,000, but growth rate is only 6.28%.......

Just slap your own face, bro. Papapa~~~

What the hell is wrong with this SEA supa pawa?
Illegal workers are everywhere, it does not say much about one country economy. Look here.

Vietnam to expel undocumented Chinese workers
On July 5, Nguyen Dai Dong, director of the ministry's Employment Department, told the press that the number of foreigners working in Vietnam had reached more than 74,000.
The Employment Department's deputy director Le Quang Trung said that many provinces like Ninh Binh, Dak Nong and Lam Dong employed thousands of unlicensed foreign laborers, most of whom were unskilled migrants from southern China.
On August 4, Ca Mau's labor department inspected the construction site of the Ca Mau Gas Power Fertilizer project and found 1,056 unregistered Chinese workers.

This was 198 more than the findings of a previous inspection on July 2, when Ca Mau authorities found 858 undocumented Chinese workers at the site.

See that even poor develop country like Vietnam can have illegal workers.
 
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Good excuse for your miserable failures while China's GDP continues to grow at 8% per year.
Every country has its momentum but how long that is the question? China is losing its momentum. Compare with S.Korea they still have their momentum even though they achieved developed country status. Japan lost its momentum just some decade ago but it have reached developed country status while China is losing its momentum before reach to the level of S.Korean and Japan. That is the point I have been talking about.
 
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Every country has its momentum but how long that is the question? China is losing its momentum. Compare with S.Korea they still have their momentum even though they achieved developed country status. Japan lost its momentum just some decade ago but it have reached developed country status while China is losing its momentum before reach to the level of S.Korean and Japan. That is the point I have been talking about.

China is a big country so there's some parts that are poor, some parts that are rich, but one thing's for sure: our science and technology, even if they don't lead to fast growth, is setting foundations for the future. We can afford to take our time since with such a huge base, we don't need to grow that fast.

SJR - International Science Ranking

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Of course we can't forget Vietnam's science and technology. Vietnam is about to surpass superpowers like Nigeria, Algeria and Morocco soon. Keep up the good work!
 
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China is a big country so there's some parts that are poor, some parts that are rich, but one thing's for sure: our science and technology, even if they don't lead to fast growth, is setting foundations for the future. We can afford to take our time since with such a huge base, we don't need to grow that fast.

SJR - International Science Ranking

54
ng.gif
Nigeria
55
dz.gif
Algeria
56
ma.gif
Morocco
57
vn.gif
Viet Nam
58
bg.gif
Bulgaria

Of course we can't forget Vietnam's science and technology. Vietnam is about to surpass superpowers like Nigeria, Algeria and Morocco soon. Keep up the good work!
They have B phone!
 
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