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China's Economic Collapse only a question of WHEN - Topix

Yes, At Some Point China Will Implode Henry Blodget Jun. 17, 2013, 11:16 AM 161 REUTERS/Stringer China If there has been one prediction made more than any other over the past couple of decades, it's that China's miraculous economy is headed for a fall. China bears have pointed to a long list of disasters-in-the-making, from questionable economic statistics to skyrocketing real-estate prices to ghost cities to centrally planned growth to corruption to pollution to civil unrest to debt. And yet, despite all of these concerns, China's economic machine has just kept chugging along. But this time it's going to be different!, says an analyst from Fitch. This time, China really is screwed. According to Ambrose Evans-Pritchard of the Telegraph, Fitch analyst Charlene Chu has concluded that China's growth is being fueled by a credit bubble that is unlike anything the modern world has ever seen. This debt bubble is leading to massive overbuilding, Chu says. And when it finally bursts, as debt bubbles always do, China will be looking at a Japan-style depression and deflation. Given the number of China doom prophesies that have been made over the past two decades, you can be forgiven for rolling your eyes at this one and moving on. But Chu does cite some startling statistics, including the claim that China's debt-to-GDP ratio has quietly shot up to more than 200% and that each additional yuan borrowed is producing ever less growth. If there's any hard law of finance, it's that what can't go on forever won't. And borrowing at this rate relative to economic growth can't go on forever. That said, as always, the key question is "when?" At some point, China's economy is almost certainly going to go through the same sort of violent setbacks that every economy goes through, including the economy with which China's is compared--the U.S. economy. The growth of the U.S. economy over the past century has been nothing short of miraculous. But it has been anything but a smooth ride. Amidst its decades of expansion, the U.S. has gone through several decade-long periods of depression and stagnation, often following debt buildups just like the one China appears to be experiencing. In fact, the U.S. economy is still struggling to move past its latest debt-fueled bubble, the housing boom that turned to bust five years ago and took the country down with it. If China manages to avoid this boom-bust pattern forever, the country's resurgence really will be miraculous. And what is likely to send the Chinese economy into its own depression is exactly the sort of debt buildup that Chu describes. But booms often last much longer than most analysts think they can. And unless or until we know exactly when China's boom will end--which, if history is a guide, we won't know until after the fact--it's hard to make decisions based on this forecast. Yes, at some point, China's economy will crack. Alas, no one knows when.
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WHEN? May be after another millennium!! This is a ridiculous article making no conclusion.
 
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Wall St closes lower on China fears | Business Spectator

United States stocks have ended the day decisively lower on concerns about the Chinese economy but rallied well above their intraday lows as US Treasury yields retreated.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average closed down 139.84 points, or 0.94 per cent, to 14,659.56 points.

The broad-based S&P 500 slid 19.34 points, or 1.21 per cent, to close at 1,573.09 points.

The Nasdaq Composite Index closed down 36.49 points, or 1.09 per cent, to 3,320.76 points.

Stocks opened firmly lower amid concerns about the Chinese economy. But the indices all came back from their intraday losses, with the Dow finishing more than 100 points above its low.

The yield on the 10-year US Treasury stood at 2.55 per cent late on Monday afternoon after reaching as high as 2.66 per cent earlier.

Peter Cardillo of Rockwell Global Capital also cited comments from some US Federal Reserve officials that emphasised the Fed would not scale back its accommodative policy immediately.

"We're probably getting to the end of this overreaction" to the Fed's comments last week, Mr Cardillo said.

The decline in US stocks followed even steeper declines in many international markets.

European stock markets sharply closed lower, with London's FTSE 100 index of leading shares losing 1.42 per cent to 6,029.10 points.

In Frankfurt the DAX 30 index fell 1.24 per cent to 7,692.45 points on Monday, while in Paris the CAC 40 dropped 1.71 per cent to 3,595.63 points.

Markets in Asia were also down, including China's Shanghai Composite, which tumbled after the People's Bank of China signalled it would not take additional steps to increase liquidity despite tightening credit markets.

"Note that even if the government is right and the activities of the shadow banking system are nothing short of the most rank and improper speculation, starving them for credit is nonetheless a dramatic monetary tightening," Chris Low, chief economist for FTN Financial, said of the Chinese policy.

Briefing.com analyst Patrick O'Hare noted that Goldman Sachs slashed its 2013 growth forecast for the Chinese economy from 7.8 per cent to 7.4 per cent.

"Capital markets have grown agitated of late over the thought that central banks are transitioning to a position of being less accommodative," said O'Hare.

"That doesn't necessarily mean that they will do less, it's just that they are sending signals that they are growing increasingly reluctant to do more."

Apple shares hover at $US400 after analyst comments

Apple shares have briefly fallen below $400 after an analyst said the iconic gadget maker is to slash production of its iPhones.

Shares fell as low as $US398, before closing at $US402.34, a drop of 2.7 per cent.

Apple has been on a downward trend since last September when shares topped $US700.

A research note from the brokerage firm Jefferies said Apple is likely to cut production plans for the iPhone to between 25 and 30 million in the third quarter, down from between 40 to 45 million.

It went on to predict that Apple would also trim production in the fourth quarter to between 50 and 55 million from 60 to 65 million.

"Our survey of several hundred Orange, Vodafone, and EE stores in the UK indicates that inventories are elevated for iPhones and the Samsung Galaxy 3," said Peter Misek at Jefferies.

Misek added that "memory module makers have recently been reallocating orders in the third quarter away from Apple and toward emerging market players."

The analyst said production of a new iPhone has not commenced yet "but we believe it is about to begin," adding that he expects a new "iPhone 5S" updating the current model and a "low-cost iPhone" to launch in September.

A separate note from Trip Chowdhry at Global Equities Research said the lower share price and eroding market share are creating a vicious circle for Apple, prompting some employees to jump ship.
 
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