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China’s debt-trap diplomacy

This has forever been the human civilization...economy is complimented by military...without over reaching military presence..your money and currency arent safe..

Yes the problem is not what China is doing, they are just securing their their stake. However as a country shouldn't you question if you are ready for that kind of reliance on China?

In diplomacy 2 countries don't always share same interests over decades, when the time comes will you be able to stand up to China if need be?
 
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Don't shoot the messenger, refute the points he's made?


why not refute the points he's made? because they are valid?
Do u wanna know what it means to influence a country?
Hint: it's what India did with Nepal

Can u say that China did the same with Pakistan using its CPEC investment as leverage?
If China would've been in control, our politicians wouldn't have been able to create hurdles for CPEC and bicker which routes are better than others.

This whole idea of China's hegemonic ambitions towards Pakistan is nothing but Indian fantasy.

Indian logic:

India aligns with US against China = India's successful multidimensional diplomacy/For securing India's interests

Pakistan aligns with China against India = Pakistan has become China's colony

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Man I am stunned by the heartfelt concerns that Indians are feeling about Pakistan regarding CPEC :angel::angel::angel:.

I wonder, how many of the Indians are just plain fucking stupid to take Indian propaganda at face value, and how many are actually paid for making this kind of posts.
 
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Do u wanna know what it means to influence a country?
Hint: it's what India did with Nepal

Can u say that China did the same with Pakistan using its CPEC investment as leverage?
If China would've been in control, our politicians wouldn't have been able to create hurdles for CPEC and bicker which routes are better than others.

This whole idea of China's hegemonic ambitions towards Pakistan is nothing but Indian fantasy.

Indian logic:

India aligns with US against China = India's successful multidimensional diplomacy/For securing India's interests

Pakistan aligns with China against India = Pakistan has become China's colony

If you had bothered to read the article you would notice it wasn't about Pakistan. It was about places that have already started to default in repaying Chinese loans and are as a result now are being dictated by China as to what project they get and also at the same time use their strategic assets.

Pakistan are in a position to counter China at the moment because CPEC hasn't materialised yet. Once it does and is in motion what then? You have to eventually start repaying the loan.
 
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If there is one thing at which China’s leaders truly excel, it is the use of economic tools to advance their country’s geostrategic interests. Through its $1 trillion “One Belt, One Road” initiative, China is supporting infrastructure projects in strategically located developing countries, often by extending huge loans to their governments. As a result, countries are becoming ensnared in a debt trap that leaves them vulnerable to China’s influence.

Of course, extending loans for infrastructure projects is not inherently bad. But the projects that China is supporting are often intended not to support the local economy, but to facilitate Chinese access to natural resources, or to open the market for low-cost and shoddy Chinese goods. In many cases, China even sends its own construction workers, minimizing the number of local jobs that are created.

Several of the projects that have been completed are now bleeding money. For example, Sri Lanka’s Mattala Rajapaksa International Airport, which opened in 2013 near Hambantota, has been dubbed the world’s emptiest. Likewise, Hambantota’s Magampura Mahinda Rajapaksa Port remains largely idle, as does the multibillion-dollar Gwadar port in Pakistan. For China, however, these projects are operating exactly as needed: Chinese attack submarines have twice docked at Sri Lankan ports, and two Chinese warships were recently pressed into service for Gwadar port security.

In a sense, it is even better for China that the projects don’t do well. After all, the heavier the debt burden on smaller countries, the greater China’s own leverage becomes.

Moreover, some countries, overwhelmed by their debts to China, are being forced to sell to it stakes in Chinese-financed projects or hand over their management to Chinese state-owned firms. In financially risky countries, China now demands majority ownership up front. For example, China clinched a deal with Nepal this month to build another largely Chinese-owned dam there, with its state-run China Three Gorges Corporation taking a 75% stake.

As if that were not enough, China is taking steps to ensure that countries will not be able to escape their debts. In exchange for rescheduling repayment, China is requiring countries to award it contracts for additional projects, thereby making their debt crises interminable. Last October, China cancelled $90 million of Cambodia’s debt, only to secure major new contracts.

Some developing economies are regretting their decision to accept Chinese loans. Protests have erupted over widespread joblessness, purportedly caused by Chinese dumping of goods, which is killing off local manufacturing, and exacerbated by China’s import of workers for its own projects.

New governments in several countries, from Nigeria to Sri Lanka, have ordered investigations into alleged Chinese bribery of the previous leadership.

In retrospect, China’s designs might seem obvious. But the decision by many developing countries to accept Chinese loans was, in many ways, understandable. Neglected by institutional investors, they had major unmet infrastructure needs. So when China showed up, promising benevolent investment and easy credit, they were all in. It became clear only later that China’s real objectives were commercial penetration and strategic leverage; by then, it was too late, and countries were trapped in a vicious cycle.

Sri Lanka is Exhibit A. Though small, the country is strategically located between China’s eastern ports and the Mediterranean. Chinese President Xi Jinping has called it vital to the completion of the maritime Silk Road.

China began investing heavily in Sri Lanka during the quasi-autocratic nine-year rule of President Mahinda Rajapaksa, and China shielded Rajapaksa at the UN from allegations of war crimes. China quickly became Sri Lanka’s leading investor and lender, and its second-largest trading partner, giving it substantial diplomatic leverage.

It was smooth sailing for China, until Rajapaksa was unexpectedly defeated in the early 2015 election by Maithripala Sirisena, who had campaigned on the promise to extricate Sri Lanka from the Chinese debt trap. True to his word, he suspended work on major Chinese projects.

But it was too late: Sri Lanka’s government was already on the brink of default. So, as a Chinese state mouthpiece crowed, Sri Lanka had no choice but “to turn around and embrace China again”. Sirisena, in need of more time to repay old loans, as well as fresh credit, acquiesced to a series of Chinese demands, restarting suspended initiatives, like the $1.4 billion Colombo Port City, and awarding China new projects.

Sirisena also recently agreed to sell an 80% stake in the Hambantota port to China for about $1.1 billion. Now, Rajapaksa is accusing Sirisena of granting China undue concessions.

By integrating its foreign, economic, and security policies, China is advancing its goal of fashioning a hegemonic sphere of trade, communication, transportation, and security links. If states are saddled with onerous levels of debt as a result, their financial woes only aid China’s neocolonial designs. Countries that are not yet ensnared in China’s debt trap should take note—and take whatever steps they can to avoid it.
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I think this piece gives a good account of what is happening with China's supposed help to countries in the South Asian region.
Source - http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/21P46wlPXj00K8VUKMu9oN/Chinas-debttrap-diplomacy.html

Such a skewed narrative can only originate from India and the US.

No one cares because the world happily accepts Chinese assistance without any strings.

Pakistan, Sri Lanka and all other developing countries around the world will unite with China and continue to cooperate on all levels.

All India and the US can do is shed crocodile tears and fume at China reaping the benefits.

Indian logic:

India aligns with US against China = India's successful multidimensional diplomacy/For securing India's interests

Pakistan aligns with China against India = Pakistan has become China's colony


:crazy:

Absolutely gold, cookie. You just smacked the crap out of the whole article by these few lines.

Man I am stunned by the heartfelt concerns that Indians are feeling about Pakistan regarding CPEC :angel::angel::angel:.

I wonder, how many of the Indians are just plain fucking stupid to take Indian propaganda at face value, and how many are actually paid for making this kind of posts.

Now, that is something coming from an Indian.
 
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There is no debt-trap in Chinese diplomacy. The only trap we can fall in is our own idiocy and corruption. It's a good thing CPEC is such a make or break project. If the government mismanages it, or creates enough hurdles for it, the army will gladly take over and relieve the inept idiots of their fly-swatting duties.

It is in the army's best interests to not let the debt increase so much that we become a victim of our own borrowings.
 
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Indian logic:

India aligns with US against China = India's successful multidimensional diplomacy/For securing India's interests

Pakistan aligns with China against India = Pakistan has become China's colony
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If you had bothered to read the article you would notice it wasn't about Pakistan. It was about places that have already started to default in repaying Chinese loans and are as a result now are being dictated by China as to what project they get and also at the same time use their strategic assets.

Pakistan are in a position to counter China at the moment because CPEC hasn't materialised yet. Once it does and is in motion what then? You have to eventually start repaying the loan.
Great...so u r looking out for Pakistan. How about leave Pakistan to Pakistanis. If we end up becoming China's colony why does it matter to u? Just focus on ur own country and let us be.
 
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I think the case is quite different in the terms of Pakistan. Pakistan is an Atomic Power. It has a very balanced Military and Politic situation. It has a very powerful think-tank as compared to all other countries mention above.
 
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Pakistan are in a position to counter China at the moment because CPEC hasn't materialised yet. Once it does and is in motion what then? You have to eventually start repaying the loan.

Every fucking country on the planet, including...drum-roll...India have relied on borrowing gazillions of dollars to develop all kinds of stuff - roads, ports, factories, power plants whatnot. We have taken MASSIVE loans from US, EU, USSR, Japan, IMF, WB, ADB and of course borrowed massive amounts from our own people.

If you take a loan, you need to repay it, with interest. News at 11. That's how infra developments are done every fucking where. In most cases, it doesn't lead to debt trap.
 
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If there is one thing at which China’s leaders truly excel, it is the use of economic tools to advance their country’s geostrategic interests. Through its $1 trillion “One Belt, One Road” initiative, China is supporting infrastructure projects in strategically located developing countries, often by extending huge loans to their governments. As a result, countries are becoming ensnared in a debt trap that leaves them vulnerable to China’s influence.

Of course, extending loans for infrastructure projects is not inherently bad. But the projects that China is supporting are often intended not to support the local economy, but to facilitate Chinese access to natural resources, or to open the market for low-cost and shoddy Chinese goods. In many cases, China even sends its own construction workers, minimizing the number of local jobs that are created.

Several of the projects that have been completed are now bleeding money. For example, Sri Lanka’s Mattala Rajapaksa International Airport, which opened in 2013 near Hambantota, has been dubbed the world’s emptiest. Likewise, Hambantota’s Magampura Mahinda Rajapaksa Port remains largely idle, as does the multibillion-dollar Gwadar port in Pakistan. For China, however, these projects are operating exactly as needed: Chinese attack submarines have twice docked at Sri Lankan ports, and two Chinese warships were recently pressed into service for Gwadar port security.

In a sense, it is even better for China that the projects don’t do well. After all, the heavier the debt burden on smaller countries, the greater China’s own leverage becomes.

Moreover, some countries, overwhelmed by their debts to China, are being forced to sell to it stakes in Chinese-financed projects or hand over their management to Chinese state-owned firms. In financially risky countries, China now demands majority ownership up front. For example, China clinched a deal with Nepal this month to build another largely Chinese-owned dam there, with its state-run China Three Gorges Corporation taking a 75% stake.

As if that were not enough, China is taking steps to ensure that countries will not be able to escape their debts. In exchange for rescheduling repayment, China is requiring countries to award it contracts for additional projects, thereby making their debt crises interminable. Last October, China cancelled $90 million of Cambodia’s debt, only to secure major new contracts.

Some developing economies are regretting their decision to accept Chinese loans. Protests have erupted over widespread joblessness, purportedly caused by Chinese dumping of goods, which is killing off local manufacturing, and exacerbated by China’s import of workers for its own projects.

New governments in several countries, from Nigeria to Sri Lanka, have ordered investigations into alleged Chinese bribery of the previous leadership.

In retrospect, China’s designs might seem obvious. But the decision by many developing countries to accept Chinese loans was, in many ways, understandable. Neglected by institutional investors, they had major unmet infrastructure needs. So when China showed up, promising benevolent investment and easy credit, they were all in. It became clear only later that China’s real objectives were commercial penetration and strategic leverage; by then, it was too late, and countries were trapped in a vicious cycle.

Sri Lanka is Exhibit A. Though small, the country is strategically located between China’s eastern ports and the Mediterranean. Chinese President Xi Jinping has called it vital to the completion of the maritime Silk Road.

China began investing heavily in Sri Lanka during the quasi-autocratic nine-year rule of President Mahinda Rajapaksa, and China shielded Rajapaksa at the UN from allegations of war crimes. China quickly became Sri Lanka’s leading investor and lender, and its second-largest trading partner, giving it substantial diplomatic leverage.

It was smooth sailing for China, until Rajapaksa was unexpectedly defeated in the early 2015 election by Maithripala Sirisena, who had campaigned on the promise to extricate Sri Lanka from the Chinese debt trap. True to his word, he suspended work on major Chinese projects.

But it was too late: Sri Lanka’s government was already on the brink of default. So, as a Chinese state mouthpiece crowed, Sri Lanka had no choice but “to turn around and embrace China again”. Sirisena, in need of more time to repay old loans, as well as fresh credit, acquiesced to a series of Chinese demands, restarting suspended initiatives, like the $1.4 billion Colombo Port City, and awarding China new projects.

Sirisena also recently agreed to sell an 80% stake in the Hambantota port to China for about $1.1 billion. Now, Rajapaksa is accusing Sirisena of granting China undue concessions.

By integrating its foreign, economic, and security policies, China is advancing its goal of fashioning a hegemonic sphere of trade, communication, transportation, and security links. If states are saddled with onerous levels of debt as a result, their financial woes only aid China’s neocolonial designs. Countries that are not yet ensnared in China’s debt trap should take note—and take whatever steps they can to avoid it.
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I think this piece gives a good account of what is happening with China's supposed help to countries in the South Asian region.
Source - http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/21P46wlPXj00K8VUKMu9oN/Chinas-debttrap-diplomacy.html


The above is an opinion of an Indian from an indian source so it immediately becomes null, void and worthless. Complete propaganda and lie.

Remember these are the same people that vehemently claimed pre-May 1998 that Pakistan would NEVER EVER become a nuclear weapons state with or without Chinese assistance.....lol.

Don't shoot the messenger, refute the points he's made?


why not refute the points he's made? because they are valid?


Like the points such creatures were making pre-May 1998 that Pakistan would NEVER EVER become a nuclear weapons state with or without Chinese assistance.....lol.....:lol:

If you had bothered to read the article you would notice it wasn't about Pakistan. It was about places that have already started to default in repaying Chinese loans and are as a result now are being dictated by China as to what project they get and also at the same time use their strategic assets.

Pakistan are in a position to counter China at the moment because CPEC hasn't materialised yet. Once it does and is in motion what then? You have to eventually start repaying the loan.




Like the Chinese entrapped Pakistan by help making it a nuclear weapons state......lol.....:lol:

Its a win win for them. They are building projects around the world, they send in their workers, they control the projects and on the event of failure of repayment, they use it as a tool to further entrap those countries in more chinese projects therefore increasing debts.

To be honest, if this was said by a source non Indian, Pakistanis might be able to see the point of it. CPEC is great, but at what cost is the development coming? Will Pakistan even be able control the infrastructure?



YAWN.......YAWN..........indians were saying EXACTLY the same about the Chinese making Pakistan a nuclear weapons state.......:disagree:
 
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If there is one thing at which China’s leaders truly excel, it is the use of economic tools to advance their country’s geostrategic interests. Through its $1 trillion “One Belt, One Road” initiative, China is supporting infrastructure projects in strategically located developing countries, often by extending huge loans to their governments. As a result, countries are becoming ensnared in a debt trap that leaves them vulnerable to China’s influence.

Of course, extending loans for infrastructure projects is not inherently bad. But the projects that China is supporting are often intended not to support the local economy, but to facilitate Chinese access to natural resources, or to open the market for low-cost and shoddy Chinese goods. In many cases, China even sends its own construction workers, minimizing the number of local jobs that are created.

Several of the projects that have been completed are now bleeding money. For example, Sri Lanka’s Mattala Rajapaksa International Airport, which opened in 2013 near Hambantota, has been dubbed the world’s emptiest. Likewise, Hambantota’s Magampura Mahinda Rajapaksa Port remains largely idle, as does the multibillion-dollar Gwadar port in Pakistan. For China, however, these projects are operating exactly as needed: Chinese attack submarines have twice docked at Sri Lankan ports, and two Chinese warships were recently pressed into service for Gwadar port security.

In a sense, it is even better for China that the projects don’t do well. After all, the heavier the debt burden on smaller countries, the greater China’s own leverage becomes.

Moreover, some countries, overwhelmed by their debts to China, are being forced to sell to it stakes in Chinese-financed projects or hand over their management to Chinese state-owned firms. In financially risky countries, China now demands majority ownership up front. For example, China clinched a deal with Nepal this month to build another largely Chinese-owned dam there, with its state-run China Three Gorges Corporation taking a 75% stake.

As if that were not enough, China is taking steps to ensure that countries will not be able to escape their debts. In exchange for rescheduling repayment, China is requiring countries to award it contracts for additional projects, thereby making their debt crises interminable. Last October, China cancelled $90 million of Cambodia’s debt, only to secure major new contracts.

Some developing economies are regretting their decision to accept Chinese loans. Protests have erupted over widespread joblessness, purportedly caused by Chinese dumping of goods, which is killing off local manufacturing, and exacerbated by China’s import of workers for its own projects.

New governments in several countries, from Nigeria to Sri Lanka, have ordered investigations into alleged Chinese bribery of the previous leadership.

In retrospect, China’s designs might seem obvious. But the decision by many developing countries to accept Chinese loans was, in many ways, understandable. Neglected by institutional investors, they had major unmet infrastructure needs. So when China showed up, promising benevolent investment and easy credit, they were all in. It became clear only later that China’s real objectives were commercial penetration and strategic leverage; by then, it was too late, and countries were trapped in a vicious cycle.

Sri Lanka is Exhibit A. Though small, the country is strategically located between China’s eastern ports and the Mediterranean. Chinese President Xi Jinping has called it vital to the completion of the maritime Silk Road.

China began investing heavily in Sri Lanka during the quasi-autocratic nine-year rule of President Mahinda Rajapaksa, and China shielded Rajapaksa at the UN from allegations of war crimes. China quickly became Sri Lanka’s leading investor and lender, and its second-largest trading partner, giving it substantial diplomatic leverage.

It was smooth sailing for China, until Rajapaksa was unexpectedly defeated in the early 2015 election by Maithripala Sirisena, who had campaigned on the promise to extricate Sri Lanka from the Chinese debt trap. True to his word, he suspended work on major Chinese projects.

But it was too late: Sri Lanka’s government was already on the brink of default. So, as a Chinese state mouthpiece crowed, Sri Lanka had no choice but “to turn around and embrace China again”. Sirisena, in need of more time to repay old loans, as well as fresh credit, acquiesced to a series of Chinese demands, restarting suspended initiatives, like the $1.4 billion Colombo Port City, and awarding China new projects.

Sirisena also recently agreed to sell an 80% stake in the Hambantota port to China for about $1.1 billion. Now, Rajapaksa is accusing Sirisena of granting China undue concessions.

By integrating its foreign, economic, and security policies, China is advancing its goal of fashioning a hegemonic sphere of trade, communication, transportation, and security links. If states are saddled with onerous levels of debt as a result, their financial woes only aid China’s neocolonial designs. Countries that are not yet ensnared in China’s debt trap should take note—and take whatever steps they can to avoid it.
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I think this piece gives a good account of what is happening with China's supposed help to countries in the South Asian region.
Source - http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/21P46wlPXj00K8VUKMu9oN/Chinas-debttrap-diplomacy.html
Better to get easy debt from China than IMF or world Bank which will enslave you to west. China isn't manipulative like US.
 
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Still 100times better than creating a black swan event and then going on to attack countries on class pretext of WMDs. Tell me who h developedcountry hasn't done the same or worse ???
 
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