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China's conditional promise on Outer Mongolia

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There are two important Chinese CONDITIONAL promises to the United States in an effort to maintain the peaceful status quo.

China said it would not militarize the South China Sea islands PROVIDED the US did not threaten the Chinese islands. By constantly sailing US warships within 12 miles of Chinese islands, China had no choice but to militarize them to protect itself from heavily-armed US warships.

It is surprising that the United States is upset at China's militarization of the South China Sea islands. The Chinese response of militarization should have been expected in light of US naval warships sailing within 12 miles of Chinese islands.

U.S. BLASTS BEIJING FOR “PROVOCATIVE MILITARIZATION” OF DISPUTED SOUTH CHINA SEA | Newsweek (January 9, 2018)
"The U.S. has vowed to continue so-called freedom-of-navigation patrols in the South China Sea as it accuses Beijing of 'provocative militarization' of disputed islands."
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The other conditional Chinese promise is that the Chinese Army will stand down and stay within its borders if the US Navy also stands down in Asia. HOWEVER, if the US Navy fires the first shot in the South China Sea then China is no longer bound by its conditional promise. Once again, the rationale is self-defense.

If the US Navy fires upon a Chinese island or ship then the Chinese Army will move immediately to strengthen China for the long war.

In the July 30 2017 video below, you can see the Chinese main battle tanks, howitzers, MLRS (multiple launch rocket systems), ICBMs, and other weaponry positioned in China's Inner Mongolia. As soon as President Xi Jinping gives the order, the Chinese Army will reclaim Outer Mongolia (which was part of China prior to World War II).

"Xi Jinping inspects troops in Inner Mongolia
New China TV
Published on Jul 30, 2017

President Xi Jinping reviewed the armed forces on Sunday morning as part of the commemorations to mark the 90th founding anniversary of the People's Liberation Army (PLA), which falls on Aug. 1.
More than 12,000 service personnel from the army, navy, air force, armed police as well as the newly formed rocket force and strategic support troops, took part in the parade at Zhurihe military training base.
It is the first time for Xi to oversee such a large parade at a military base, and the first time for China to commemorate Army Day with a military parade since the founding of the People's Republic of China in 1949."


Outer Mongolia is important for five reasons.

1. Outer Mongolia provides strategic depth. Outer Mongolia is the size of four Californias. By building duplicate J-20 manufacturing plants and other arms industries in Outer Mongolia, China is guaranteed a steady supply of warfighting material.

2. Reclaiming Outer Mongolia restores the historical balance. This is a morale boost to the Chinese people to reunify Outer Mongolia with China.

3. Outer Mongolia has one million tonnes of uranium reserves. China will need Outer Mongolia's one million tonnes of uranium reserves to build more hydrogen-bomb warheads to point at the United States for a counter-strike.

Mongolia debates uranium policy, foreign miners fret | Reuters (December 12, 2007)
"Dec 12, 2007 - But with neighbouring China's plans to install 40 gigawatts of nuclear power by 2020, any new project is guaranteed a buyer. Mongolia is eager to ensure the state profits from that demand. It has estimated reserves of 1 million tonnes of uranium, against 80,000 tonnes known in 1995, according to Kh ..."

Mongolia eyes first nuclear power plant by 2020: MonAtom | Reuters (April 7, 2011)
"Apr 7, 2011 - Gombo said the country is seeking investment from around the globe to develop its nuclear energy sector, adding that uranium reserves in the country could rise to above one million tons. 'Currently there is not much, but we expect there will be huge investment in Mongolia's nuclear energy sector, because ..."

4. The southern half of Outer Mongolia is grasslands. Thus, there are two Californias of grasslands that China can utilize to grow food. This provides food security.

5. A war with the United States is going to take a while. Outer Mongolia provides more living space for China. Using modern technology, China could probably increase its population by 300 million people and locate them in Outer Mongolia (which is the size of four Californias). California has a population of 40 million people. By building high-rises, China can reasonably increase Outer Mongolia's population by 300 million Han Chinese. This increase in population will provide soldiers for a long South China Sea war.

So, the next move is up to President Trump. Will he fire the first shot in the South China Sea? China will most likely declare self-defense and reclaim Mongolia on the same day. Chinese promises to maintain the peaceful status quo are CONDITIONAL. You cannot threaten China without consequences. If you rock the boat, China will react and those promises no longer exist.
 
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Most part of Outer Mongolia is lack of water, arid or semi-arid land. To support massive population, food supply got to be shipped in.
 
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Most part of Outer Mongolia is lack of water, arid or semi-arid land. To support massive population, food supply got to be shipped in.
Easy problem to fix with China's technology.

Build a canal to transport water from southern China (where water is plentiful) or desalinate water from the Bohai Bay with a nuclear power plant and transport it via pipeline into Outer Mongolia.

The Outer Mongolians do not have these technologies, but China's water-transport and nuclear power technologies are well-proven.
 
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Easy problem to fix with China's technology.

Build a canal to transport water from southern China (where water is plentiful) or desalinate water from the Bohai Bay with a nuclear power plant and transport it via pipeline into Outer Mongolia.

A 3 gorge dam in reverse in terms of power consumption. Note, this requires to bring water from sea level to plateau.
 
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So? That's what a nuclear power plant is for.

People would rather stay near the sea, instead of paying the price of expensive water, and bad weather.

Better places like Manchuria are experiencing depopulation. You cant convince people to move to deserts.
 
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People would rather stay near the sea, instead of paying the price of expensive water, and bad weather.

Better places like Manchuria are experiencing depopulation. You cant convince people to move to deserts.
Give me a break. I'm talking about further greening Outer Mongolia's grasslands.

Does the picture of Outer Mongolia below look like a desert to you?

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Give me a break. I'm talking about further greening Outer Mongolia's grasslands.

Not so easy to control rainfall.

I will stop here. Any opinion how to merge Mongolia to China, given her ultra nationalistic population.
 
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Not so easy to control rainfall.

I will stop here. Any opinion how to merge Mongolia to China, given her ultra nationalistic population.
Who said anything about rainfall?

I said water will be brought in via canal or pumped in with a nuclear power plant.

I don't care about Outer Mongolia's nationalistic population. Outer Mongolians only number three million and they have ZERO military technology. Outer Mongolians are allowed to live in Outer Mongolia, because China lets them. If China changes its mind, Outer Mongolia is easily reclaimed by China.
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How long can Outer Mongolia's nationalistic population last against Chinese Type 99 tanks? A few days before they're neutralized?

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Who said anything about rainfall?

I said water will be brought in via canal or pumped in with a nuclear power plant.

Getting water from Baikal would be better engineering. You move from high to low.
 
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Can someone shed some light on what happened after the Yuan dynasty (Mongols) were defeated by the Ming and how was Mongolia incorporated into China?
 
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Can someone shed some light on what happened after the Yuan dynasty (Mongols) were defeated by the Ming and how was Mongolia incorporated into China?

Outer Mongolia didn’t become part of China until the Qing dynasty. Stalin gain recognition of Mongolia independence in Tehran/Yalta conference.
 
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There are two important Chinese CONDITIONAL promises to the United States in an effort to maintain the peaceful status quo.

China said it would not militarize the South China Sea islands PROVIDED the US did not threaten the Chinese islands. By constantly sailing US warships within 12 miles of Chinese islands, China had no choice but to militarize them to protect itself from heavily-armed US warships.

It is surprising that the United States is upset at China's militarization of the South China Sea islands. The Chinese response of militarization should have been expected in light of US naval warships sailing within 12 miles of Chinese islands.

U.S. BLASTS BEIJING FOR “PROVOCATIVE MILITARIZATION” OF DISPUTED SOUTH CHINA SEA | Newsweek (January 9, 2018)
"The U.S. has vowed to continue so-called freedom-of-navigation patrols in the South China Sea as it accuses Beijing of 'provocative militarization' of disputed islands."
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The other conditional Chinese promise is that the Chinese Army will stand down and stay within its borders if the US Navy also stands down in Asia. HOWEVER, if the US Navy fires the first shot in the South China Sea then China is no longer bound by its conditional promise. Once again, the rationale is self-defense.

If the US Navy fires upon a Chinese island or ship then the Chinese Army will move immediately to strengthen China for the long war.

In the July 30 2017 video below, you can see the Chinese main battle tanks, howitzers, MLRS (multiple launch rocket systems), ICBMs, and other weaponry positioned in China's Inner Mongolia. As soon as President Xi Jinping gives the order, the Chinese Army will reclaim Outer Mongolia (which was part of China prior to World War II).

"Xi Jinping inspects troops in Inner Mongolia
New China TV
Published on Jul 30, 2017

President Xi Jinping reviewed the armed forces on Sunday morning as part of the commemorations to mark the 90th founding anniversary of the People's Liberation Army (PLA), which falls on Aug. 1.
More than 12,000 service personnel from the army, navy, air force, armed police as well as the newly formed rocket force and strategic support troops, took part in the parade at Zhurihe military training base.
It is the first time for Xi to oversee such a large parade at a military base, and the first time for China to commemorate Army Day with a military parade since the founding of the People's Republic of China in 1949."


Outer Mongolia is important for five reasons.

1. Outer Mongolia provides strategic depth. Outer Mongolia is the size of four Californias. By building duplicate J-20 manufacturing plants and other arms industries in Outer Mongolia, China is guaranteed a steady supply of warfighting material.

2. Reclaiming Outer Mongolia restores the historical balance. This is a morale boost to the Chinese people to reunify Outer Mongolia with China.

3. Outer Mongolia has one million tonnes of uranium reserves. China will need Outer Mongolia's one million tonnes of uranium reserves to build more hydrogen-bomb warheads to point at the United States for a counter-strike.

Mongolia debates uranium policy, foreign miners fret | Reuters (December 12, 2007)
"Dec 12, 2007 - But with neighbouring China's plans to install 40 gigawatts of nuclear power by 2020, any new project is guaranteed a buyer. Mongolia is eager to ensure the state profits from that demand. It has estimated reserves of 1 million tonnes of uranium, against 80,000 tonnes known in 1995, according to Kh ..."

Mongolia eyes first nuclear power plant by 2020: MonAtom | Reuters (April 7, 2011)
"Apr 7, 2011 - Gombo said the country is seeking investment from around the globe to develop its nuclear energy sector, adding that uranium reserves in the country could rise to above one million tons. 'Currently there is not much, but we expect there will be huge investment in Mongolia's nuclear energy sector, because ..."

4. The southern half of Outer Mongolia is grasslands. Thus, there are two Californias of grasslands that China can utilize to grow food. This provides food security.

5. A war with the United States is going to take a while. Outer Mongolia provides more living space for China. Using modern technology, China could probably increase its population by 300 million people and locate them in Outer Mongolia (which is the size of four Californias). California has a population of 40 million people. By building high-rises, China can reasonably increase Outer Mongolia's population by 300 million Han Chinese. This increase in population will provide soldiers for a long South China Sea war.

So, the next move is up to President Trump. Will he fire the first shot in the South China Sea? China will most likely declare self-defense and reclaim Mongolia on the same day. Chinese promises to maintain the peaceful status quo are CONDITIONAL. You cannot threaten China without consequences. If you rock the boat, China will react and those promises no longer exist.

Outer Mongolia is vehemently anti-China, and act as a buffer between China and Russia. Completely locked in between the two countries, as long as the bilateral relation remain favorable, Mongolia is going nowhere. There is no need to antagonize that relation at this stage. Don't stir the pot in your own backyard.
 
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Outer Mongolia is vehemently anti-China, and act as a buffer between China and Russia. Completely locked in between the two countries, as long as the bilateral relation remain favorable, Mongolia is going nowhere. There is no need to antagonize that relation at this stage. Don't stir the pot in your own backyard.
I don't care that Outer Mongolia is anti-China.

Mongolia has ZERO military power.

If President Xi Jinping decides that he wants Outer Mongolia back then it will happen within a few days.

I'm making the point that the status quo remains only if the US doesn't rock the boat. Given the five compelling reasons to reclaim Outer Mongolia, I am making the prediction that China will reclaim Outer Mongolia as soon as the United States fires the first shot in a South China Sea war.

It is pointless to make a prediction AFTER the US fires the first shot and China moved into Outer Mongolia.

Hence, I must make my prediction now before the events transpire.

We have seen President Trump conduct four Freedom of Navigation patrols within 12 miles of a Chinese island. China has responded by militarizing its South China Sea islands. Events are escalating. I have made my prediction of China reclaiming Outer Mongolia before it potentially happens in the near future.
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In the blink of an eye, a US naval warship could fire on a Chinese aircraft, drone, ship, or island. China could quickly respond by moving its main battle tanks, howitzers, and ICBMs into Outer Mongolia.

It is absolutely appropriate for me to make a military prediction before a potential conflict unfolds.

Do you see the headline above the forum? It says Pakistan DEFENCE.

If you don't like my military predictions, stay out of my threads and leave the DEFENCE forum.
 
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