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China Unveils Latest Z-10 Attack Helicopter Variant
Chinese state-owned media released images of a People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Zhishengji-10 (Z-10) attack helicopter fitted with new engine exhaust outlets.

By Franz-Stefan Gady
February 26, 2020
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Chinese state-owned media released images earlier this month showing the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Changhe Aircraft Industries Corporation (CAIC) Zhishengji-10 (Z-10) attack helicopter fitted with new engine exhaust outlets that face upward instead of outward to reportedly reduce the rotorcraft’s frontal infrared signature.

The upgraded Z-10 was photographed during a military exercise with the PLA’s 80th Group Army on February 8, according to the Global Times. The images first appeared on the PLA’s WeChat account.

The Global Times in a February 17 report quoted Chinese military analysts as saying that the new configuration of the Z-10’s exhaust outlet will “inevitably increase drag force, raising the power requirement for the helicopter’s engines,” adding that the latest Z-10 variant “more than likely has greater engine power.”

Based on open-source intelligence, the Z-10 continues to be powered by WZ9 turboshaft engines. China, in cooperation with a European partner, has reportedly been working on a more powerful engine, the WZ-16. This engine, however, has not entered serial production yet, according to defense analysts. There is also no concrete indication that any Z-10s have been fitted with this more powerful engine.

Notably, the weak performance of WZ-9 turboshaft engines, which purportedly prevents the Z-10 from carrying its maximum weapons payload, including up to 16 HJ-10 anti-tank missiles, made the Pakistan Army decide against procuring the helicopter and opt for the T129 ATAK multirole attack helicopter instead in 2018. As I explained previously:

At the end, the T129 prevailed over the Z-10. China’s equivalent to the U.S. AH-64 Apache has so far failed to attract an international customer.

(…) [O]ne of the reasons for the lack of export success of the Z-10 could be the helicopter’s two under-powered WZ-9 turboshaft engines, which has been preventing the Z-10 from carrying its maximum payload during military operations. (PAAC deployed Z-10 helicopters during counterinsurgency operations since 2014.)

The tandem-seat Z-10 took to the sky for the first time in 2003 and has been supplied to at least five PLA aviation regiments. In 2016, the PLA announced that all of its ground force aviation units have been equipped with the Z-10.

The Z-10, co-designed by Kamov Design Bureau of Russia and the Chinese 602nd Aircraft Design Institute, is designed primarily for anti-tank warfare. It can be armed with AKD-9 or AKD-10 anti-tank missiles, rocket pods, and carries an under-nose turret for a 23-millimeter or 30-millimeter cannon. It also has a secondary air-to-air capability and can carry the TY-90 air-to-air missile.

In 2018, images emerged showing the Z-10 at a Chinese airfield featuring extra armor panels externally attached to the gunship. According to Chinese military experts, the additional armor panels are made of light material supposedly based on graphene due to the helicopter’s weak engine. “Chinese helicopters, including the Z-10, did not have extra armor because their engines could only lift a certain weight,” a Chinese military expert was quoted as saying by the Global Times on October 10, 2018.

https://thediplomat.com/2020/02/china-unveils-latest-z-10-attack-helicopter-variant/
 
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China Unveils Latest Z 10 Helicopter Upgrade

 
Only a few weeks ago in the T-129 thread I wrote about this exact scenario. Now that Z-10 has better engines, and hopefully able to operate better at high altitudes and hot deserts, Pakistan Army can retest it. And hopefully has no excuses left but to go with Z-10 in large numbers.
 
@beijingwalker , is it different from this one (below)?

 
@beijingwalker , is it different from this one (below)?

I guess not

"The upgraded Z-10 was photographed during a military exercise with the PLA’s 80th Group Army on February 8"
 
At the end, the T129 prevailed over the Z-10. China’s equivalent to the U.S. AH-64 Apache has so far failed to attract an international customer.
See, OP, that right there is why you shouldn't post articles written by morons. Z-10 is a medium attack chopper, AH-64 is a heavy attack chopper. I don't think that idiot understands the difference.

Other inaccuracies and gross incompetence by this "journalist":

1. The WZ-16 is not intended to power any military helicopter, it is for the AC352 medium lift civilian helicopter.

2. The T129 cannot carry 16 air-to-ground missiles, it can only carry 8.

3. The Z-10 is not underpowered. Since 2016 it has been powered by an improved 1100 kW WZ-9 engine. This new variant probably has a ~1200 kW engine to allow it to have upturned exhaust nozzles and carry heavier armour like Z-10ME. It's still not going to be loaded with 16 air-to-ground missiles because that's not what helicopters of this weight class carry.

4. Turkey is under US sanctions (who isn't, really?) and won't be able to get engines for its helicopter. So Pakistan won't be able to get it either. I may not be very sophisticated, but to me it seems a helicopter with a supposedly "underpowered" engine is better than one without any engine. I wonder how Pakistan feels about the situation it's in.
 
Z-10ME export version

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See, OP, that right there is why you shouldn't post articles written by morons. Z-10 is a medium attack chopper, AH-64 is a heavy attack chopper. I don't think that idiot understands the difference.

Other inaccuracies and gross incompetence by this "journalist":

1. The WZ-16 is not intended to power any military helicopter, it is for the AC352 medium lift civilian helicopter.

2. The T129 cannot carry 16 air-to-ground missiles, it can only carry 8.

3. The Z-10 is not underpowered. Since 2016 it has been powered by an improved 1100 kW WZ-9 engine. This new variant probably has a ~1200 kW engine to allow it to have upturned exhaust nozzles and carry heavier armour like Z-10ME. It's still not going to be loaded with 16 air-to-ground missiles because that's not what helicopters of this weight class carry.

4. Turkey is under US sanctions (who isn't, really?) and won't be able to get engines for its helicopter. So Pakistan won't be able to get it either. I may not be very sophisticated, but to me it seems a helicopter with a supposedly "underpowered" engine is better than one without any engine. I wonder how Pakistan feels about the situation it's in.
European when comes to military sanction against China is mainly symbolic. UK still sells sprey turbofan for Chinese JH-7A fighter bomber in the late 90s and early 2000. I can be sure WZ-16 turboshaft is dual use and it's dimension can fit exactly right into Z-10 gunship without too much problem. The PLA just gives another definition and nobody will take too much note whether it's WZ-16 or whatever turboshaft for Z-10 gunship.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...ina-unlimited-amount-military-radar-equipment
 
European when comes to military sanction against China is mainly symbolic. UK still sells sprey turbofan for Chinese JH-7A fighter bomber in the late 90s and early 2000. I can be sure WZ-16 turboshaft is dual use and it's dimension can fit exactly right into Z-10 gunship without too much problem. The PLA just gives another definition and nobody will take too much note whether it's WZ-16 or whatever turboshaft for Z-10 gunship.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...ina-unlimited-amount-military-radar-equipment
I think the PLA won't use the WZ-16 for any military helicopters simply to avoid the hassle of whatever license deal they have with the Euros. The latest variant of the WZ-9 on the Z-10MEs and the latest Z-10s has similar performance to the WZ-16, so there's no reason to use it. But the larger point stands: the Z-10 is not going to double its missile loadout no matter what engine it has.
 
I think the PLA won't use the WZ-16 for any military helicopters simply to avoid the hassle of whatever license deal they have with the Euros. The latest variant of the WZ-9 on the Z-10MEs and the latest Z-10s has similar performance to the WZ-16, so there's no reason to use it. But the larger point stands: the Z-10 is not going to double its missile loadout no matter what engine it has.
I can for sure WZ-16 is largely a Chinese project. France contribution are just symbolic. European are more easier when comes to trade be it commercial or military, they will never stop Chinese use it whatever they would like to use unlike American. WZ-16 turboshaft will definitely have application for Chinese military use. WZ-16 giving an additional 30% power without increase in the engine weight is significant. A lot of additional equipment or higher attitude operational use will be handy.
 
WZ-16 giving an additional 30% power without increase in the engine weight is significant.
That's simply not the case. The WZ-16 has ~1250 kW (take-off power, sustained power and ~1140 kW), while the confirmed variant of the WZ-9 has 1100 kW (not the variant speculated to be on the Z-10ME and latest Z-10). That's an increase of 14% in the most generous comparison.

The WZ-16 has been certified by CAAC since October 2019. If it's in use in military helicopters, why haven't there been rumours about that?
 
China was given an extensive test report by Pakistan Army Aviation which suggested a number of upgrades.
 
The WZ-16 has been certified by CAAC since October 2019. If it's in use in military helicopters, why haven't there been rumours about that?

You expect Chinese military to be open about using WZ-16 turboshaft? The fact they always censor when engine bay of WZ-10 is opened. More or less tells you, they will never openly tell u.

But from the operation of WZ-16 to witness article news claiming about upgrade of WZ-10 powerplant , the almost concurrent timeline, tells u something.
 
China was given an extensive test report by Pakistan Army Aviation which suggested a number of upgrades.
Once again now :frown: ? Z-10ME or Z-10 ?
 
You expect Chinese military to be open about using WZ-16 turboshaft? The fact they always censor when engine bay of WZ-10 is opened. More or less tells you, they will never openly tell u.

But from the operation of WZ-16 to witness article news claiming about upgrade of WZ-10 powerplant , the almost concurrent timeline, tells u something.
I don't think our positions are that far apart. Certainly China used its experience with the WZ-16 to improve the WZ-9. Whether the actual engine is a straight WZ-16, a modified WZ-16 or a WZ-9 doesn't really matter too much - that it's a fully indigenized strong engine is all that matters.

Also, if the Z-10ME is designed for export, then even if China is hush about the engine is no guarantee that those it sells to will likewise be silent.
 
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