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China should look for lessons to learn not only from countries better than itself, but across board
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OP intention is not trying to help China but just trying to boast his own ego by trying to teach China something. If China ask his beloved india to learn a thing or two. I doubt he will gladly accept it. Members do not fool by him.
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they can learn how fucked up people like that work and investigate on what caused that guy to be such a disgusting animal. China may have one of the lowest rates of rape in the world but best to lower it further.
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China does not tolerate crime. Do not consider the right of the criminal but ensure the justice for the victims. A totally different mentality than the US. where the 9th place trophy is as big as the winners so no one would get hurt.
They tolerate crimes by white people, but don't enforce if blacks kill blacks. They will throw blacks in jail for fun though. They just don't know which they like more, killing blacks indirectly or jailing them to ruin their lives.
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Bull. OJ is an example of tolerating blacks? Give me a break.
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Does have some valid points and food 4 thought
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You are wrong.
Indians in general are in awe of China's achievements. In every article that I read about economics, even the ones in which China is portrayed hostile, the writer never fails to mention areas where we need to learn from China.
We have tremendous areas to learn from China. We recognize this. Heck! Our PM, FM and all sorts of leaders have openly said it.
Examples of some comments:
1. FM recently
"Citing the example of China, Jaitley said the Asian country grew by about 9 per cent on an average for over three decades and reached where it is today."
He was talking about the need to grow at fast paces for long periods. India needs sustained GDP growth of 9-10 pct: Arun Jaitley | The Financial Express
2. PM Narendra Modi
a. Interview with Fareed Zakaria (He tried his best to lure Modi to make negative comments about China)
"Look at how it has focused on economic development. It's hardly the sign of a country that wants to be isolated. We should have trust in China's understanding and have faith that it will accept global laws and will play its role in cooperating and moving forward. "
b. Modi says govt. has identified 1700 obsolete laws for repeal | NetIndian
"He suggested that a digital version of this museum be also prepared. He said in many parts of the world, museums are a part of everyday life. He gave the example of China, which is building many museums currently. He said India too has a glorious heritage to preserve and showcase. "
c.
3. India's Economic Adviser
Let rupee dip when possible for India's long-term economic wellbeing: Arvind Subramanian, CEA - The Economic Times
3. General Articles
a. A lesson PM Narendra Modi could learn from China
b. Let rupee dip when possible for India's long-term economic wellbeing: Arvind Subramanian, CEA - The Economic Times
Not only this. We are officially trying to learn from you in many areas:
1. India's delegation is visiting to learn how to implement train projects, and high speed trains
2. During the last visit of Xi, India got its wish to have some of its diplomats attend and learn from the training of Chinese diplomats, who are among the most skilled diplomats in the world.
3. Our whole textile policy, the recommendations that is, is totally based on China. China in mind, draft textile policy talks of mega hubs, disinvestment & FDI | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis
These are just examples from top of my head. I will keep editing this piece. We learn from you like crazy. Basically we are, frankly speaking, very very respectful of your achievements. Most Indians, trust me, want to be friends with China if only some long lingering issues can be resolved. We love you and hate you at the same time. India has more to learn from China than the reverse way around.
But, even then there are still few things that China can learn from India. These are obviously less than what India can learn from China. But the difference is, that we are very eager to learn from you. Very Very Eager.
Boy Oh Boy!
Seeing these photos, I sometimes feel perhaps a dictatorship would have been better for India in the initial stages. But then, I don't trust a dictatorship would have been able to keep India united due to the underlying diversity of India.
I so envy China! Everyone does. We will try our best to learn from China, and its glorious success.
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When I discussed these topics in China, I argued that, when Chinese talk with Chinese, just talk about what's deficient in China rather than achievements. When Chinese talk about India, pointing out its poverty and other problems do nothing good to Chinese itself but a waste of time. The same is for Indians who should centre on what India lacks rather than India's achievements. Wasting time to just 'help' others figure out their own problems brings about nothing but people's sarcasm. Just like what I wrote in this Share with us your own CRH experiences! hope everyone who has experienced CRH to point out drawbacks, which are far more important than compliments.
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You are a rarely found Indian member here that's reasonable.
Back to topic, actually China does keep an eye on any successful experiences, including from the less developed countries. Take one example, Muhammud Yunus, the Bangladeshi social entrepreneur. After he got awarded Nobel Prize in 2006, there were huge amount of debates and studies on his work and the Grameen Bank model. China does have tight control on financing industry, probably tightest in the world, and has been taking steps progressively, while carefully, to reform. While doing so, taking reference to whatever experience, success or failure or to-be-confirmed (that includes Yunus' model), is a pragmatic spirit adopted here.
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“China should”、"Chind must"、"China needs".....TBH it is very disgusting.
We Chinese believe everyone is qualified to be our teacher, which is a culture formed by Confucius more than 2000 years ago, therefore a know-all is always extremely disliked by the majority.Also due to this tradition, this article is just a waste of concern.
We Chinese believe everyone is qualified to be our teacher, which is a culture formed by Confucius more than 2000 years ago, therefore a know-all is always extremely disliked by the majority.Also due to this tradition, this article is just a waste of concern.
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Nothing to learn from India except staying clear away from the filthy, corrupt, Hindutva-racist and inefficient social and governmental culture.
If this is learning, every bad example, not just India, teaches a lot of lessons.
Hell needs to freeze before China really learns something from India, really.
Examples abound:
Racism in India: Systemic, systematic and pervasive
Systemic and systematic racism
The racism that has continued to foster in India is both systemic and systematic. Let me give you examples to highlight what these two terms mean. My girlfriend and I were on a visit toDelhiand we went to seeQutb Minar. After getting our tickets done, as we were entering, the CISF personnel who had been entrusted with the security of the monument, checked our tickets, looked at me, and without blinking an eyelid had the audacity to ask, “maal acchi hai, kahan se mili? (the goods (referring to my girlfriend) look good, where did you find her).” Being used to such utterances by now, I smiled back and said, “aapki behen jahan se mili thi, wahin se” [from the same place where I found your sister]” and we walked in, I was expecting a confrontation, but I think the guard was I think, too stunned to react. On our way back, we saw the guard again, but he refused to even make an eye contact with us.
In that same trip, we went to visitTaj Mahal– yeah that monument of love, we Indians are so proud of – and we were in the process of getting our tickets done, and the person at the counter asked us for our passports. We said, we are Indians, and the person asked us for our identity cards. I wonder how many Indians carry their identity cards with them? Thankfully we had our PAN cards with us and showed it to them and got our tickets, but as we were entering the Taj another CISF guard again asked us for our Passport.
By now we were livid, and we scolded the guard and said “have you never seen Indians like us?” and he says, “We have to ask as many come from Nepal and China, pretend to be Indians and enter by paying less money.” So we said then “why did you not ask those in front of us for their IDs? They could have been fromBangladesh,Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Nepal,Maldivesand other places too?” He did not reply. He could not reply.
Funnily enough, a friend of ours who is originally from Nepal and is a shade darker than us had visited Taj a month before, so we asked her if she had to pay the rate charged for foreign nationals. And she said, “No, we just went in, asked for the tickets and went in, no one asked us for nothing.” This is what systemic racism is all about - a system that has allowed racism to foster through and through based on how people look, dress and talk. A system that has done nothing to curb such instances and incidences, and in fact promoted such forms of racism by not acting to stop it.
Every first year student acrossIndiais anxious to make a positive impression on their teachers, so did my friend, who had joined theNorth Bengal Medical CollegeinSiliguri, which incidentally is in the district ofDarjeelingand is only about a half-an hour drive from the foot hills of Darjeeling. He told us that in the first class, one of theProfessorsasked the whole class a question, and when others did not answer correctly he raised his hands to answer, the professor pointed at him, and when he answered correctly, the Professor looked at him incredulously and said, “Oh!! How come you know the answer?”
This was not the only such incidence, his ordeal continued all through his medical school, notwithstanding the fact that my friend went on to graduate at the top of his class with admission for Master in Surgery confirmed, the Professor continued to believe that it was all because my friend had a “quota” that he succeeded. This is systematic racism. When people all through the system believe that you are inferior and thus treat you with disdain.
Stereotypes
The most common form of racism is stereotyping someone, portraying an individual or his community in a particular light. People from north-eastIndiaare seen to be: a) addicts - who are always on a lookout for drugs, b) prostitutes - who will sleep around readily, c) good for nothing louts, who party a lot and will amount to nothing, and are hence deplorable and thus open for racial abuse.
This is how India continues to look at people from north-east and sadly even people from north-east India look at each other with lenses coloured by racism. The Kukkis don’t like the Chakmas, the Nagas don’t like theMizos, theApatanisdon’t like the Nishis and nobody seems to like the Gorkhas. Recent manifestation of which was the murder of 10 innocent people along the Arunachal-Assam border.
Estranged Sisters
Amongst the various forms of protest and outrage, which followed Nido Tania’s murder, one stood out because it forced many people to think and think hard was a picture, which showed India without its north-eastern parts. It had a simple question, “how does it feel like to have no sisters? Do you care?” Well from what I know of the rest of India, no they don’t. Sadlywomen in Indialike the people from the north-east, have always been treated as the “other” and thus less than equal. Women are seen more as a liability instead of as an equal, women are treated as a commodity to be exchanged for dowry, instead of a part of one’s being.
Perhaps this is what fundamentally differentiates the north-eastern part of India from the rest ofIndia.The women in north-east are treated as equal and in some societies the right to property passes down to the daughter instead of the son, because of which our women are empowered and they display their independence and equality. This is taken to be brazenness by the mainlanders Indians. Our young men and women are allowed to be their own person, without society imposing much restriction on them, which is taken to be the sign of insolence and insubordination by the mainlanders. Our young men and women are allowed to intermingle from a young age so that they learn to respect each other, not just as friends, but as their peer, their equal, and sadly that is a complete no-no in the mainland.
Perhaps it’s this fundamental difference in how people from the north-east v/s. the rest of India approaches life, that has lead to the continued stereotyping, racism and insistent discrimination the people from North-East have had to face. - See more at: Racism in India: Systemic, systematic and pervasive
Read more at:Racism in India: Systemic, systematic and pervasive
If this is learning, every bad example, not just India, teaches a lot of lessons.
Hell needs to freeze before China really learns something from India, really.
Examples abound:
Racism in India: Systemic, systematic and pervasive
Systemic and systematic racism
The racism that has continued to foster in India is both systemic and systematic. Let me give you examples to highlight what these two terms mean. My girlfriend and I were on a visit toDelhiand we went to seeQutb Minar. After getting our tickets done, as we were entering, the CISF personnel who had been entrusted with the security of the monument, checked our tickets, looked at me, and without blinking an eyelid had the audacity to ask, “maal acchi hai, kahan se mili? (the goods (referring to my girlfriend) look good, where did you find her).” Being used to such utterances by now, I smiled back and said, “aapki behen jahan se mili thi, wahin se” [from the same place where I found your sister]” and we walked in, I was expecting a confrontation, but I think the guard was I think, too stunned to react. On our way back, we saw the guard again, but he refused to even make an eye contact with us.
In that same trip, we went to visitTaj Mahal– yeah that monument of love, we Indians are so proud of – and we were in the process of getting our tickets done, and the person at the counter asked us for our passports. We said, we are Indians, and the person asked us for our identity cards. I wonder how many Indians carry their identity cards with them? Thankfully we had our PAN cards with us and showed it to them and got our tickets, but as we were entering the Taj another CISF guard again asked us for our Passport.
By now we were livid, and we scolded the guard and said “have you never seen Indians like us?” and he says, “We have to ask as many come from Nepal and China, pretend to be Indians and enter by paying less money.” So we said then “why did you not ask those in front of us for their IDs? They could have been fromBangladesh,Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Nepal,Maldivesand other places too?” He did not reply. He could not reply.
Funnily enough, a friend of ours who is originally from Nepal and is a shade darker than us had visited Taj a month before, so we asked her if she had to pay the rate charged for foreign nationals. And she said, “No, we just went in, asked for the tickets and went in, no one asked us for nothing.” This is what systemic racism is all about - a system that has allowed racism to foster through and through based on how people look, dress and talk. A system that has done nothing to curb such instances and incidences, and in fact promoted such forms of racism by not acting to stop it.
Every first year student acrossIndiais anxious to make a positive impression on their teachers, so did my friend, who had joined theNorth Bengal Medical CollegeinSiliguri, which incidentally is in the district ofDarjeelingand is only about a half-an hour drive from the foot hills of Darjeeling. He told us that in the first class, one of theProfessorsasked the whole class a question, and when others did not answer correctly he raised his hands to answer, the professor pointed at him, and when he answered correctly, the Professor looked at him incredulously and said, “Oh!! How come you know the answer?”
This was not the only such incidence, his ordeal continued all through his medical school, notwithstanding the fact that my friend went on to graduate at the top of his class with admission for Master in Surgery confirmed, the Professor continued to believe that it was all because my friend had a “quota” that he succeeded. This is systematic racism. When people all through the system believe that you are inferior and thus treat you with disdain.
Stereotypes
The most common form of racism is stereotyping someone, portraying an individual or his community in a particular light. People from north-eastIndiaare seen to be: a) addicts - who are always on a lookout for drugs, b) prostitutes - who will sleep around readily, c) good for nothing louts, who party a lot and will amount to nothing, and are hence deplorable and thus open for racial abuse.
This is how India continues to look at people from north-east and sadly even people from north-east India look at each other with lenses coloured by racism. The Kukkis don’t like the Chakmas, the Nagas don’t like theMizos, theApatanisdon’t like the Nishis and nobody seems to like the Gorkhas. Recent manifestation of which was the murder of 10 innocent people along the Arunachal-Assam border.
Estranged Sisters
Amongst the various forms of protest and outrage, which followed Nido Tania’s murder, one stood out because it forced many people to think and think hard was a picture, which showed India without its north-eastern parts. It had a simple question, “how does it feel like to have no sisters? Do you care?” Well from what I know of the rest of India, no they don’t. Sadlywomen in Indialike the people from the north-east, have always been treated as the “other” and thus less than equal. Women are seen more as a liability instead of as an equal, women are treated as a commodity to be exchanged for dowry, instead of a part of one’s being.
Perhaps this is what fundamentally differentiates the north-eastern part of India from the rest ofIndia.The women in north-east are treated as equal and in some societies the right to property passes down to the daughter instead of the son, because of which our women are empowered and they display their independence and equality. This is taken to be brazenness by the mainlanders Indians. Our young men and women are allowed to be their own person, without society imposing much restriction on them, which is taken to be the sign of insolence and insubordination by the mainlanders. Our young men and women are allowed to intermingle from a young age so that they learn to respect each other, not just as friends, but as their peer, their equal, and sadly that is a complete no-no in the mainland.
Perhaps it’s this fundamental difference in how people from the north-east v/s. the rest of India approaches life, that has lead to the continued stereotyping, racism and insistent discrimination the people from North-East have had to face. - See more at: Racism in India: Systemic, systematic and pervasive
Read more at:Racism in India: Systemic, systematic and pervasive
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