China´s massacre in Spratly islands

[anonymous123]

I think India should sell them LCA Tejas and Arjun MBT to defend against evil China

 

[chinapakistan]

I think India should sell them LCA Tejas and Arjun MBT to defend against evil China

Good joke.

 

[punit]

last time chinese met Viet .. they retrned with Big Bloody Nose . history will repeat itself.

 

[Viet]

The Chinese claim is historical. It goes back over 1,000 years.
I'm glad the Chinese govt. is defending it's territory. It's about time.

really? PLS READ THIS!




Spratlys, Paracels not on 1904 Chinese map

Dr. Mai Hong points at the Hainan Island on the map, claiming that China stretched as far south a Hainan Island.
Photo: Viet Dung

A Han-Chinese map of China published in 1904 reveals that China stretched as far south as Hainan Island, and that Hoang Sa (Paracel) and Truong Sa (Spratly) Islands did not belong to China.

Shanghai Publishing House printed the map whose Vietnamese name is “Hoàng triều trực tỉnh địa dư toàn đồ” (Map of all Chinese provinces).


Spratlys, Paracels not on 1904 Chinese map - Breaking news, sociey news from Vietnam on TuoiTreNews

How did you get this map?

I got this map when I administered a library of Chinese and Demotic Script books (now Institute for the Study of Chinese and Demotic Scripts and Cultures) in 1977. At that time, collecting maps was not our administrative function. However, to my surprise, an elderly man who often sold books to us showed up at our office one day and recommended I buy this map. I spent one month’s salary to purchase it without my family’s knowledge.

The Han-Chinese map published in 1904 by Shanghai Publishing House. Photo by Viet Dung.

Is it a valuable map made a long time ago?

Yes, it is. It’s a color-coded paper map that has a carton-paper cover and can be opened like a book. Inside the map, there are more than 35 pieces – each measured at 20cm wide, 30cm long – stuck on canvas. Because I can read Han-Chinese, I’ve translated about 600 Han-Chinese words into Vietnamese that adequately represents the origin and date of the map.

According to the translation, the map was created across nearly two decades (1708 – 1904), from the Kangxi Emperor who ruled China from 1661 – 1722 to the Guangxu Emperor from 1875 to 1908. The emperors asked many clergymen and gifted astronomers and mathematicians to make this map.

More specifically, in 1708, King Kangxi recruited some western clergymen to draw the map of the Great Wall. In 1711, the King continued to ask the clergymen to survey lands in 13 provinces nationwide. After that, Chinese intellectuals and western clergymen worked together for nearly 200 years to finish this map. Among famous western clergymen helping King Kangxi with the map were Matteo Bicci from Italy, Joannes Adam Schall Von Bell from Germany, and Ferdinandus Verbiest from Belgium.

In 1904, Shanghai Publishing House printed this map and distributed it to all provinces of the Qing Dynasty, the last imperial dynasty of China ruling from 1644 to 1912. The introduction of the map was written by the director of a Chinese observatory.

For more than 30 years, Dr. Mai Hong has held onto the map proving the two islands in the East Sea are not in China’s territorial waters. Photo by Viet Dung.

Dr. Hong points at the Hainan Island on the map, claiming that China stretched as far south as Hainan Island. Photo by Viet Dung

What is some helpful historical data from this map?

In this map, the director of a Chinese observatory greatly appreciated achievements by western clergymen, who were at the time ahead of China in the field of astronomy and mathematics. As the map indicates, there are no photos, drawings or surveys of Truong Sa or Hoang Sa islands on the map. The Chinese themselves also admitted that Hainan Island was the end of their land to the south.

Why did you decide to release this map?

In my opinion, this map will provide some helpful evidence that helps Vietnam get more active in resolving disputes with China over the ownership of the two islands in the East Sea. This is also helpful data for local scholars or researchers who are studying the seas and the islands’ sovereignty.

“Đại Nam nhất thống toàn đồ” (A map of Vietnam made in 1834 that claims Hoang Sa and Truong Sa are Vietnam’s territory). Source: Ban Do (Map) Publishing House. Photo by Viet Dung

Official map

According to Pham Hoang Quan, a local researcher on Han-Chinese and Demotic Scripts, the map, measuring 115cm long and 140cm wide, was printed on separate sheets and belonged to a group of large-scale maps.

Quan added that during the Ming and Qing dynasties, there were only 60 maps of this kind.

The map’s accuracy in terms of longitude and latitude is nearly on par with modern maps. This map was made by experts at the Observatory of the Qing Dynasty, so it can be considered official, he said.

On July 4, Dr. Mai Hong contacted the National Museum of Vietnamese History to hand over the “Hoàng triều trực tỉnh địa dư toàn đồ” map for display and preservation. The ceremony marking the gift is scheduled for the morning of July 24 in Hanoi, with several historians expected to attend.

 

[Srinivas]

I could care less what India claims or doesn't claim. That's just an idiotic strawman argument.
China's claim is backed by historical records of both the PRC and ROC. Even the Vietnamese themselves acknowledged China's claim (before oil was discovered). Like most territorial disputes where both sides refuses to budge, I'm sure this will be eventually settled by the gun (just like this Spratly's video).

There is no history behind the claim. If the same logic applies to the other countries then Xingxang and Tibet will be free. Showing the map of Mogolian yuan Dynasty and claiming every thing is not a good idea.

India should stay away from such mess as this will add to the recipe of WW3.

I think you got your name from an idiot in "TimesofIndia" tabloid.
You sound like our scared neighbours from our north west.

 

[OrionHunter]

How proud the Chinese are for their cold blooded murder of 64 unarmed Vietnamese sailors! The Chinese should be awarded the World Humanitarian and Human Rights gold medal!

Old habits die hard, what? Starting from the Tienanmen Square massacre of their own people to the butchery of unarmed Vietnamese sailors to the mass executions of Tibetans!

Well done China! You're the true embodiment of the macho Han Race.

 

[Srinivas]

How proud the Chinese are for their cold blooded murder of 64 unarmed Vietnamese sailors! The Chinese should be awarded the World Humanitarian and Human Rights gold medal!

Old habits die hard, what? Starting from the Tienanmen Square massacre of their own people to the butchery of unarmed Vietnamese sailors to the mass executions of Tibetans!

Well done China! You're the true embodiment of the macho Han Race.

Seems like China is showing its true colors. Peaceful rise is BS.

 

[Viet]

Mao Zedong (The Little Red Book)(1964):

All reactionaries are paper tigers...

citation:

On Cultural Revolution Red Guards fighting among themselves: Not afraid of war, I am always happy upon knowing that there are people fighting among themselves. What happened at Beijing was nothing! Using some swords or spears, maybe firing a few shots. Sichuan was something: tens of thousands people were involved with guns and canons, even wireless.

Chapter 5: Every Communist must grasp the truth: Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.

Mao Zedong - Wikiquote

 

[pla]

This kind of thing, the U.S. did in Vietnam more...
You send the picture, was privately printed, not official

 

[gpit]

really? PLS READ THIS!




Spratlys, Paracels not on 1904 Chinese map

Dr. Mai Hong points at the Hainan Island on the map, claiming that China stretched as far south a Hainan Island.
Photo: Viet Dung

A Han-Chinese map of China published in 1904 reveals that China stretched as far south as Hainan Island, and that Hoang Sa (Paracel) and Truong Sa (Spratly) Islands did not belong to China.

Shanghai Publishing House printed the map whose Vietnamese name is “Hoàng triều trực tỉnh địa dư toàn đồ” (Map of all Chinese provinces).


Spratlys, Paracels not on 1904 Chinese map - Breaking news, sociey news from Vietnam on TuoiTreNews

How did you get this map?

I got this map when I administered a library of Chinese and Demotic Script books (now Institute for the Study of Chinese and Demotic Scripts and Cultures) in 1977. At that time, collecting maps was not our administrative function. However, to my surprise, an elderly man who often sold books to us showed up at our office one day and recommended I buy this map. I spent one month’s salary to purchase it without my family’s knowledge.

The Han-Chinese map published in 1904 by Shanghai Publishing House. Photo by Viet Dung.

Is it a valuable map made a long time ago?

Yes, it is. It’s a color-coded paper map that has a carton-paper cover and can be opened like a book. Inside the map, there are more than 35 pieces – each measured at 20cm wide, 30cm long – stuck on canvas. Because I can read Han-Chinese, I’ve translated about 600 Han-Chinese words into Vietnamese that adequately represents the origin and date of the map.

According to the translation, the map was created across nearly two decades (1708 – 1904), from the Kangxi Emperor who ruled China from 1661 – 1722 to the Guangxu Emperor from 1875 to 1908. The emperors asked many clergymen and gifted astronomers and mathematicians to make this map.

More specifically, in 1708, King Kangxi recruited some western clergymen to draw the map of the Great Wall. In 1711, the King continued to ask the clergymen to survey lands in 13 provinces nationwide. After that, Chinese intellectuals and western clergymen worked together for nearly 200 years to finish this map. Among famous western clergymen helping King Kangxi with the map were Matteo Bicci from Italy, Joannes Adam Schall Von Bell from Germany, and Ferdinandus Verbiest from Belgium.

In 1904, Shanghai Publishing House printed this map and distributed it to all provinces of the Qing Dynasty, the last imperial dynasty of China ruling from 1644 to 1912. The introduction of the map was written by the director of a Chinese observatory.

For more than 30 years, Dr. Mai Hong has held onto the map proving the two islands in the East Sea are not in China’s territorial waters. Photo by Viet Dung.

Dr. Hong points at the Hainan Island on the map, claiming that China stretched as far south as Hainan Island. Photo by Viet Dung

What is some helpful historical data from this map?

In this map, the director of a Chinese observatory greatly appreciated achievements by western clergymen, who were at the time ahead of China in the field of astronomy and mathematics. As the map indicates, there are no photos, drawings or surveys of Truong Sa or Hoang Sa islands on the map. The Chinese themselves also admitted that Hainan Island was the end of their land to the south.

Why did you decide to release this map?

In my opinion, this map will provide some helpful evidence that helps Vietnam get more active in resolving disputes with China over the ownership of the two islands in the East Sea. This is also helpful data for local scholars or researchers who are studying the seas and the islands’ sovereignty.

“Đại Nam nhất thống toàn đồ” (A map of Vietnam made in 1834 that claims Hoang Sa and Truong Sa are Vietnam’s territory). Source: Ban Do (Map) Publishing House. Photo by Viet Dung

Official map

According to Pham Hoang Quan, a local researcher on Han-Chinese and Demotic Scripts, the map, measuring 115cm long and 140cm wide, was printed on separate sheets and belonged to a group of large-scale maps.

Quan added that during the Ming and Qing dynasties, there were only 60 maps of this kind.

The map’s accuracy in terms of longitude and latitude is nearly on par with modern maps. This map was made by experts at the Observatory of the Qing Dynasty, so it can be considered official, he said.

On July 4, Dr. Mai Hong contacted the National Museum of Vietnamese History to hand over the “Hoàng triều trực tỉnh địa dư toàn đồ” map for display and preservation. The ceremony marking the gift is scheduled for the morning of July 24 in Hanoi, with several historians expected to attend.

I have taught you 100 hundred times: get yourself educated, get yourself educated.

LOL!

According to this map, the “sacred origin” of Qing Dynasty, which is northern east of, and including, today’s HeiLongJiang province of China, is not shown, either.

Illiterate Viets, you guys are nothing but a laughing stock in front of the world.

Why don’t you produce a “map” that only show He Nan province and claiming this is the only China.

And then produce a Dia Viet “map” claiming up to wherever you like and claiming this is Vietnam.

Just knocking you wakeup: since your divorce with China and free to go bad with any other, the properties among you and China have never been clearly divided until recently you demarcated land properties. But sea properties are still in dispute.

Your guys are hopelessly clueless, and fre@kingly amusing. Look at how this stupid guy said:
"A Han-Chinese map of China published in 1904 reveals..."

You idiot, I'm sorry but to call your proper name now, Qing Dynasty rules China until 1911!

99% of you posts are trash!

 

[Fsjal]

I have taught you 100 hundred times: get yourself educated, get yourself educated.

LOL!

According to this map, the “sacred origin” of Qing Dynasty, which is northern east of, and including, today’s HeiLongJiang province of China, is not shown, either.

Illiterate Viets, you guys are nothing but a laughing stock in front of the world.

Why don’t you produce a “map” that only show He Nan province and claiming this is the only China.

And then produce a Dia Viet “map” claiming up to wherever you like and claiming this is Vietnam.

Just knocking you wakeup: since your divorce with China and free to go bad with any other, the properties among you and China have never been clearly divided until recently you demarcated land properties. But sea properties are still in dispute.

Your guys are hopelessly clueless, and fre@kingly amusing. Look at how this stupid guy said:
"A Han-Chinese map of China published in 1904 reveals..."

You idiot, I'm sorry but to call your proper name now, Qing Dynasty rules China until 1911!

99% of you posts are trash!

Agree. Typical Viets.

 

[Always Neutral]

^^^
Why were the Viets standing in a row waiting to get massacred by 37mm anti-aircraft guns ??

If you invade other's people land and violate their sovereignty, that's what happens.

Maybe they got the inspiration from the 10000 who died in Tiannmmen?