China, Rome, and the United States

[sincity]

All kind of invaders must be kick out from Vietnam included Chinese, like we did with France Colonial and US imperialist.

Viet Nam is an independent nation, you and your comrade kick any invader out of Viet Nam if you and your comrade capable of doing so. Chinese only have a border war with Viet Nam in 1979 that with over 300 yrs without a war between Viet Nam and China.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Viet Nam is an independent nation, you and your comrade kick any invader out of Viet Nam if you and your comrade capable of doing so. Chinese only have a border war with Viet Nam in 1979 that with over 300 yrs without a war between Viet Nam and China.

The Vietcongs here are too obsessed to colonize South China.

Themselves were a victim of colonization in the past, yet they want to colonize our homeland.

 

[Rechoice]

You can kick them out as long as i care.

Chinese invaders were kicked out.

Chinese people who escaped from China bcz turmoil in China in the past, they could stay here in Vietnam if they want, but they have to obey our laws and regulation, work to get money for good living and pay tax to govt. They are not discrimired here.

 

[sincity]

The Vietcongs here are too obsessed to colonize South China.

Themselves were a victim of colonization in the past, yet they want to colonize our homeland.

This world don't actually belong to anyone, I really don't care which territorial belong to who and you can agrue til your head blow up that won't change with this planet don't actually belong to anyone.

 

[Rechoice]

The Vietcongs here are too obsessed to colonize South China.

Themselves were a victim of colonization in the past, yet they want to colonize our homeland.

We lost our native land in Lingnan China. Qin dynasty colonized and swalowed it. This is two different thing.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

This world don't actually belong to anyone, I really don't care which territorial belong to who and you can agrue til your head blow up that won't change with this planet don't actually belong to anyone.

You have to tell this to the Vietcongs on PDF.

We lost our native land in Lingnan China. Qin dynasty colonized and swalowed it. This is two different thing.

Well, your native land is located on the Red River Delta, you still have it right now.

 

[sincity]

You have to tell this to the Vietcongs on PDF.

Why should I, they have their own opinion. I careless what their opinion are.

 

[Rechoice]

He insisted that Vietnamese originated in the modern Vietnam, anything wrong with that?

Its fake map on Wiki.
Before 3,000 year Tonkin Delta was under level of sea. There is 嶺南摭怪 Folktales is talking about native land of us.

Lĩnh Nam chích quái – Wikipedia tiếng Việt

 

[Grand Historian]

Its fake map on Wiki.
Before 3,000 year Tonkin Delta was under level of sea. There is 嶺南摭怪 Folktales is talking about native land of us.

Lĩnh Nam chích quái – Wikipedia tiếng Việt

Notice how no credible international historian even quotes from this book?

There is reason why they are collection of folktales not history,why don't Cantonese,Zhuang and other Southern Han have any myths about Van Lang or Hung Kings?

Sorry to burst your bubble but Vietnamese nationalists have never provided archaeological proof that the Baiyue were united under one banner.

 

[Rechoice]

Notice how no credible international historian even quotes from this book?

There is reason why they are collection of folktales not history,why don't Cantonese,Zhuang and other Southern Han have any myths about Van Lang or Hung Kings?

Sorry to burst your bubble but Vietnamese nationalists have never provided archaeological proof that the Baiyue were united under one banner.

every thing related to the ancient time it should be considered as the evidence of our history, included folktales. Native Cantonese and other Nan Yue people were sinezed from 2000 years, they forgot who was they ruler in ancient time. Other southern Chinese are immigrants.

Recently, Father of Nung Chi Cao was loyalist in Court of Dai Viet kingdom who controlled Guangxi in this time..

@EastSea: You can tell him something.

 

[Genesis]

every thing related to the ancient time it should be considered as the evidence of our history, included folktales. Native Cantonese and other Nan Yue people were sinezed from 2000 years, they forgot who was they ruler in ancient time. Other southern Chinese are immigrants.

Recently, Father of Nung Chi Cao was loyalist in Court of Dai Viet kingdom who controlled Guangxi in this time..

@EastSea: You can tell him something.

so.....? Let's say what you said is true, which it isn't but let's say it is.

Do you know what the European map looks like even 100 years ago?

 

[INDIC]

Aryans (Proto-Indo-Europeans) are actually pretty young and it did originate in the Pontic-Caspian steppe around 7000-5000 years ago, so obviously it cannot originate in India.

PIE are not young, that why Slav-Indians carry R1a and West Europeans carry R1b. Origin of R1a is around 20,000 years back.

 

[xunzi]

Why Mongolian, Manchurian could conquered and ruled China in very long time until last century ?
.

Because of internal struggle and declining dynasty. It is part of our history. We rule them, they sometime rule us. If you look at the history of China, we rule the China proper more than these two combine. It is like we rule you for over 1,000 years. Civilized you and make you a vassal subject.

We lost our native land in Lingnan China. Qin dynasty colonized and swalowed it. This is two different thing.

You didn't reach statehood until we civilized you.

 

[Grand Historian]

thing related to the ancient time it should be considered as the evidence of our history, included folktales. Native Cantonese and other Nan Yue people were sinezed from 2000 years, they forgot who was they ruler in ancient time. Other southern Chinese are immigrants.

So I'm supposed to believe that somehow the vast lands of the Hung Kings was only remembered by Vietnamese and not any other ethnicity?

Give me a break,both you and other nationalistic Vietnamese conjure fanciful stories about the might Vietnamese ruling an empire that rivals the Chinese Warring States.

First off what is Cantonese?

Cantonese people are mixed no doubt there could be Baiyue,Zhuang,Xianbei,Han etc in them by now it is fruitless to assume that people don't change after thousands of years.

Neither are the Cantonese a homogenous sub ethnicty some Cantonese would have more native blood compared to Northern blood and vice versa.

I remember nationalistic Vietnamese claiming that since Cantonese speak a language other than Mandarin they aren't Chinese,Yue languages such as Cantonese are Sinitic not Vietic in origin.

Any similarities between Cantonese and Vietnamese is due to the prevalence of Ancient Southwestern Chinese spoken by the elite of Northern Vietnam,and later heavy borrowings also contributed to Sinitic lexicon.

Besides the only "proof" that EastSea ever uses is Vietnamese books that are written thousands of years after the event unfolded,I already addressed many of the inaccuracies from the Vietnamese historical books which I will delineate some below.

1.If Van Lang is so large stretching all the way to the Chang Jiang then why wouldn't it be recorded Southern states such as Chu would have maintained contact.

2.The kings of Wu and Yue never viewed themselves as one people and certainly did not mention a Baiyue sovereign.

3. Anceint Chinese texts never mention the legends of Xich Quy,Van Lang or Hung Kings.

4.There is no archaeological evidence of a bureaucracy of the supposed Van Lang empire.

5. Southern Han Chinese and other Chinese minorities never mentioned the Hung Kings in their myths.

6. Phong Chau is a Sui-Tang naming convention thus it could never have existed.

7. In the Dai Viet su ky toan thu the 15 regions of Van lang are all located in Northern Vietnam furthermore the concept of North is Lake Donting etc is a copy of Huayang Guozhi.

8.In the Kham dinh Viet su thong giam cuong muc admits that Van Lang could not have possibly been that big.

 

[Rechoice]

Because of internal struggle and declining dynasty. It is part of our history. We rule them, they sometime rule us. If you look at the history of China, we rule the China proper more than these two combine. It is like we rule you for over 1,000 years. Civilized you and make you a vassal subject.


You didn't reach statehood until we civilized you.

base on your logic, Mongolian and Manchurian civilized you until 1911 ACE very recently.

Besides the only "proof" that EastSea ever uses is Vietnamese books that are written thousands of years after the event unfolded,I already addressed many of the inaccuracies from the Vietnamese historical books which I will delineate some below.

I can say Chinese history book is not accuracy.