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China protests over South Korea's plan for US missile defences

Well, its no surprise to me though. There several people out there (mostly from the developing world, leftists, ultra nationalists etc) who hold a rather bizarre/weird view. To them any country/regime is righteous as long as they oppose western powers. lol You can bet your life that even if Saudi Arabia was to suddenly become hostile to the west today, then these same people who today criticize Saudi Arabia will suddenly start praising Riyadh and rejecting any news of human rights abuses or whatever in KSA as western propaganda(the way they regard Iran today just because Tehran seems to be anti western). In short , as long as you seem to be anti western then you get a free pass for every action you take. That is their weird policy.:lol:

So yes agree that Japan simply invaded, raped/killed millions of Chinese, Korea,Vietnam etc simply because Japan was trying to free it's Asian subjects from alien western powers.:enjoy: All the Chinese and Koreans today who despise and hate Japan more than any other country are simply brainwashed by western propaganda.:omghaha:

In fact south Koreans must be even more brainwashed by western propaganda, since they finally accepted to grant the U.S access for this missile defence system after they got tired of N.Korea's constant nuclear threats.

Well lets keep perspective, I'm sure his views are a small minority in Japan, probably infinitesimal given the priority they seem to place on Chinese and North Korean interests over Japanese interests while simultaneously arguing that the Japanese were trying to save the rest of Asia in WW2 from the evil West. When you see a person arguing that North Korea is a sign of success and something that should be emulated, You know something is wrong... I take comfort in the fact that his views are in no way reflected in Japanese domestic or foreign policy, and show no sign of doing so.

Japan, U.S. vow to step up defense ties over North Korean provocation | The Japan Times
 
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Defense ties, lol.
The Alliance is strong.

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Hillary will continue the tradition

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The difference is race. It is better, as in less humiliating, if it is Asians-on-Asians.

It is sad that so many Asians, in and out of this forum, felled for the sweet pillow talk from the Chinese and the JPNese about this.

Otto von Bismarck on Poland's sovereignty...

"Restoring the Kingdom of Poland in any shape or form is tantamount to creating an ally for any enemy that chooses to attack us, smash those Poles till, losing all hope, they lie down and die; I have every sympathy for their situation, but if we wish to survive we have no choice but to wipe them out."

People and the media punditry have been taking turns misleading each other when they said that China is emulating the US regarding China's rise. Not true. China is following JPN's footsteps. Practically like that of walking in someone else's tracks in the snow.

China could not suppress anyone's sovereignty, but China could put such an economical stranglehold on Asia via control of the South China Seas, that all the major east Asian countries, including JPN, might as well bow their heads to Beijing. The goal of any major power in any political system is to be a hegemon, of which I explained back in post 77 why the US never was one, not even in the Western Hemisphere, IF it is a necessity and there is a possibility. The US could not be a true hegemon because the US is not a dictatorship. That is not to say that a functional democracy have any less care than a dictatorship about security. In terms of paranoia, all countries, large and small, have the same level of concern about their security. It is only the means that differs among them.

Unlike the US who have no unfriendly countries at our borders, China shares her borders with 14 countries and many of them are unfriendly, if not outright hostile. Off her coast, there are SKR and JPN. In reality, the US is less of a factor of security and paranoia than both SKR and JPN combined simply because American presence is not persistent. If the Filipinos can eject the US out of their country simply by legal fiat, so can the SKReans and the JPNese, but no one can eject the SKReans or the JPNese out of their own home soil. Not unless he want a bloody war on his hands. Currently, there are competing major powers in the East Asia region, but no great power. Not yet. Inside a political system, a great power can still be hurt, either by a single major power or an alliance of major powers. Unlike the US in our political system in the Western Hemisphere where we are secured against even an alliance of major powers, China is extremely vulnerable to threats from even a single regional major power.

China have the economic means to radically alter the military balance in the East Asia region and given the gross dissimilarities between the US and China in geopolitical terms, China have no choice but to follow what Imperial JPN did when JPN felt her security was at stake. Chinese and Imperial JPNese views of other Asian powers, large and small, is the same as that of Bismarck for Poland. China's immediate threat is not US, as the Chinese members here consistently misled the forum, but SKR and JPN. Unlike Canada and Mexico who really have no choice but to rely on US for their security, SKR and JPN can be assertive and make increasing independent decisions of the same issues, so Chinese protests about US military assistance to SKR -- this discussion -- is far less about US 'hegemony' than it is about SKRean assertiveness of their own security and paranoia.

The first victim of China's rise from being a competing major power to a great power will be Viet Nam and it is sad that some Viets on this forum were seduced by the same sweet pillow talk about Western imperialism and American 'hegemony'. Either SKR and JPN is too powerful even without US assistance. The first victim of Imperial JPN's ambition was Korea, first as protectorate then later complete annexation. Instead of 'smash those Poles', it was 'smash those Koreans'. With China as a great power, it will be 'smash those Viets'. Then SKR and JPN will meekly fall in line.
There is a difference between your and my line of thoughts.
I agree with Nihonjin that US seeks its own interest above all and is not a self less power. US actions have led to instability. This is contrary to your view that US is a benevolent power seeking rule of law.


On the other hand, I also see that substituting China for US in East Asia under whichever name or 'ism' you call it (pan-east asianism or whatever) would be utterly devastating for Japan, SK and Vietnam. China is starting to show symptoms of being a very aggressive great power, not unlike the Soviet Union. It is not willing to follow rule of law and is quite happy to use force even where its security is not at stake.
 
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I agree with Nihonjin that US seeks its own interest above all...
What are those 'interests' ?

People toss that word around too casually. It make them sound 'sophisticated' enough that no one really bothered to ask for specifics. So what are US self interests in Asia in introducing instability into that political system ?
 
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China have the right to protest, but keep it in their pocket after all it was South Korean privilege to install those missile system on their own lands. LoL. you guys seeming arguing that's what your right to install those goddamned missile in SCS islets, but South Korean who want to install those missiles system in their land doesn't have a say.
 
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Damn I just got lost on all that reading!!! :crazy:

You guys just derailed the thread!!!! :blah::blah::blah::offpost::offpost::offpost:

@Nihonjin1051 old buddy is that really you? You seem.... different! :cuckoo:

While he has a pragmatic view, it seems his belief in a "free-US, United Far East" ideas have changed his opinions and views about the US, though some of his opinion is too much for me to stomach.

Damn I just got lost on all that reading!!! :crazy:

You guys just derailed the thread!!!! :blah::blah::blah::offpost::offpost::offpost:

@Nihonjin1051 old buddy is that really you? You seem.... different! :cuckoo:

Here's the "appropriate" thread.

North East Asian Union? Exploring the potential of an NEA integration
 
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So just 1 liners and Lol? What happened to your eloquence nihonjin, aside from the subject of pan-asianism you seem to have become a different person!

I respected you as a poster not just because you were able to remain emotionally detached and not take things personally, but also because you were well-reasoned and eloquent, and always willing to give your reasons, none of which is present now! :cry:

I mean really, support and admiration for a country that is so antithetical to your country's values, that is so willing to see your country bathed in nuclear fire and often states such? A country that has abducted multiple citizens of your country and to this day refuses to cooperate with your country in their return or knowledge of their whereabouts!

How can you call yourself a Japanese patriot when you give verbal succor to a country that so clearly and consistently states itself as Japan's enemy through word and deed?

If Japan was more like North Korea you would be jailed at a work/'rehabilitation' camp and probably executed as a traitor!

Open your eyes Nihonjin!
 
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So just 1 liners and Lol? What happened to your eloquence nihonjin, aside from the subject of pan-asianism you seem to have become a different person!

I respected you as a poster not just because you were able to remain emotionally detached and not take things personally, but also because you were well-reasoned and eloquent, and always willing to give your reasons, none of which is present now! :cry:

I mean really, support and admiration for a country that is so antithetical to your country's values, that is so willing to see your country bathed in nuclear fire and often states such? A country that has abducted multiple citizens of your country and to this day refuses to cooperate with your country in their return or knowledge of their whereabouts!

How can you call yourself a Japanese patriot when you give verbal succor to a country that so clearly and consistently states itself as Japan's enemy through word and deed?

If Japan was more like North Korea you would be jailed at a work/'rehabilitation' camp and probably executed as a traitor!

Open your eyes Nihonjin!


If ignorant both of your enemy and yourself, you are certain to be in peril.
-Sun Tzu


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This (NEA)Union will only happen if all the stakeholders are willing to compromise, other than that its a dream far away.
 
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