China poses potential obstacle to reunification of Koreas: U.S. Congress re

[gambit]

The reason why the North is in poverty is because of the Americans.

Now tell me why did US wanted to divide Korea into 2 parts after the end of WW2? A united Korea after the Japanese surrender would have prevented the Korean War. America didn't have to put the embargo and the situation would be a lot different.

Wrong. If China can trade, so called, with North Korea, so can any other country, such as Cuba...

Cubans in Seoul

...Cuba’s longtime leader Fidel Castro visited Pyongyang in 1986 to meet with then North Korean leader Kim Il-sung. Cuba signed a free trade agreement with the North in 1997.

Trade is a privilege, not a right. Meaning I have only the right to INITIATE trade, but not impose it upon you. The corollary is that I also have the right to refuse to trade with you. The partition was an agreement by all sides, so there is no way you can distort history to your liking. But hey...Intellectual dishonesty and even outright lies are the trademark of the Chinese boys here. Anyway, if China and Cuba can trade with North Korea, so can any tinpot dictatorship, and if North Korea is starving and physically stunted within a single generation, thank communism for that.

 

[terranMarine]

Wrong. If China can trade, so called, with North Korea, so can any other country, such as Cuba...

Cubans in Seoul

Trade is a privilege, not a right. Meaning I have only the right to INITIATE trade, but not impose it upon you. The corollary is that I also have the right to refuse to trade with you. The partition was an agreement by all sides, so there is no way you can distort history to your liking. But hey...Intellectual dishonesty and even outright lies are the trademark of the Chinese boys here. Anyway, if China and Cuba can trade with North Korea, so can any tinpot dictatorship, and if North Korea is starving and physically stunted within a single generation, thank communism for that.

Old man why don't you go spread your distortion somewhere else. Vietnam was under American embargo and their economy suffered too. Instead of spreading lies i provide source of facts, you simply can't explain why America had a good reason for dividing Korea after the end of WW2.

Vietnam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For a decade following the Vietnam War, Vietnam's economy was plagued with inefficiency and corruption in state programs, poor quality and underproduction, and restrictions on economic activity. It also suffered from the post-war trade embargo instituted by the United States and most of Europe.

 

[Rusty]

Wrong. There were no such 'North' or 'South' Koreas as far as political entities goes. In order to be 'saved', it has to exist in the first place.

So did I dream up the Korean war?

 

[JSCh]

Wrong. If China can trade, so called, with North Korea, so can any other country, such as Cuba...

Cubans in Seoul

Trade is a privilege, not a right. Meaning I have only the right to INITIATE trade, but not impose it upon you. The corollary is that I also have the right to refuse to trade with you. The partition was an agreement by all sides, so there is no way you can distort history to your liking. But hey...Intellectual dishonesty and even outright lies are the trademark of the Chinese boys here. Anyway, if China and Cuba can trade with North Korea, so can any tinpot dictatorship, and if North Korea is starving and physically stunted within a single generation, thank communism for that.

OT
Chinese remember the Opium war.
Hypocrisy and double standard of the west do not fool us anymore.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

Do South Koreans want a unified Korea?
Do they want to foot the bill for increasing the living standards of their northern brethren?

They dont even send fertilizers and kimchi and prefer to watch their brothers and sisters starve.

 

[gambit]

Old man why don't you go spread your distortion somewhere else. Vietnam was under American embargo and their economy suffered too. Instead of spreading lies i provide source of facts, you simply can't explain why America had a good reason for dividing Korea after the end of WW2.

Vietnam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For a decade following the Vietnam War, Vietnam's economy was plagued with inefficiency and corruption in state programs, poor quality and underproduction, and restrictions on economic activity. It also suffered from the post-war trade embargo instituted by the United States and most of Europe.

Young pup, you should read real books for a change, then do some real thinking instead of swallowing Chinese propaganda.

An embargo is not a blockade. The latter involve a naval presence preventing others from access. Did the Soviet Navy docked in Viet Nam after the war? You bet...

Cam Ranh Bay - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 1979, the Soviet government signed an agreement with Vietnam for a 25-year lease of the base.

Did the Soviets aid Viet Nam? You bet...

Vietnam - The Soviet Union

Soviet support sustained Vietnamese operations in Cambodia. Military aid in 1978 approached US$800 million annually, but after the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia and the Chinese attack on Vietnam in February 1979, the figure rose to almost US$1.4 billion.

In addition to its role as Vietnam's exclusive donor of military aid, the Soviet Union in 1987 was also Vietnam's largest contributor of economic aid and its biggest trade partner. During the Third Five-Year Plan (1981-85), the Soviets provided some US$5.4 billion in balance-of-payments aid, project assistance, and oil price subsidies. Total economic aid for 1986 was an estimated US$1.8 billion. The Soviets also have been a major supplier of food and commodity aid on a mostly grant-aid or softcurrency basis. By 1983 they were supplying 90 percent of Vietnam's petroleum, iron and steel, fertilizer, and cotton imports and 70 percent of its grain imports.

All that aid -- military and otherwise -- and still Viet Nam remains poor until the Soviets collapsed and the Japanese and South Koreans moved in to invest.

Who else traded with Viet Nam after the war? Err...China, may be?

So much for that supposedly 'high Chinese IQ' nonsense.

 

[Amolthebest]

Communist China is not friend of any country. They neither want unification of both Korea nor good relation between India and Pakistan. Our Pakistan should realize it ASAP.China is no different from US.

 

[terranMarine]

Young pup, you should read real books for a change, then do some real thinking instead of swallowing Chinese propaganda.

An embargo is not a blockade. The latter involve a naval presence preventing others from access. Did the Soviet Navy docked in Viet Nam after the war? You bet...

Do you know why Japanese and South Koreans could invest in Vietnam? That's because they agreed not to occupy Cambodia any longer dumb sh!t.

Cambodia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The refusal of Vietnam to withdraw from Cambodia led to economic sanctions[56] by the U.S. and its allies.
Peace efforts began in Paris in 1989 under the State of Cambodia, culminating two years later in October 1991 in a comprehensive peace settlement. The UN was given a mandate to enforce a ceasefire and deal with refugees and disarmament known as the United Nations Transitional Authority in Cambodia

South Korea
Four years after the 1992 normalisation of diplomatic ties, South Korean trade and investment in Vietnam grew rapidly

You still haven't come up with a good excuse as to why US divided Korea into 2 parts after WW2. Out of arguments as the true nature of the Americans have become obvious?

 

[terranMarine]

Communist China is not friend of any country. They neither want unification of both Korea nor good relation between India and Pakistan. Our Pakistan should realize it ASAP.China is no different from US.

You think our Pakistani brothers believe this? They are much more intelligent than you will ever be. You treat India as Mexico/Canada and China as US. This is not only a bad comparison but also nonsense. I don't have to tell you what the Americans did as they were invading properties of Mexican and as a result the Mexicans began the war against these white expansionists. Hawaii is another example how Americans annexed it. You can even look it up what they did to the Pinoys (> 1 million were killed) Philippine

Tell me something, China and India have been neighbors for a very very very long time. Did China ever invade India in ancient times? I believe our nations had a normal (trade)relation, it was your weak India that allowed the British to rule over your people. As a result the British used you Indians to launch this campaign British expedition to Tibet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia killing Tibetans.

Then there's Nehru who started the mess and Mao just responded and drove your troops away. China never had any intention to steal Indian land in ancient times and didn't want to occupy India after Nehru's mistake and India's current population is almost the equal size of China. The last thing we want is to deal with another 1.3 bln Indian people as we have our own problems. India shouldn't take sides, meddle with the SCS issue, stay neutral and our countries can enjoy a stable trade relationship. Never forget Uncle Sam doesn't like challengers hence the China pivot. If you guys claim to overtake China in the near future you think Americans are gonna allow that? Don't be so naive into thinking the Americans will make India surpass Japan and America to become the world's third, second or the first biggest economy. They are using Vietnam and Pinoys to slow us and they will do that to India too if they know you guys are replacing them.

 

[Kolaps]

^^
British Expedition to Tibet? Expedition???

Shameless country, they twisted the word, so they look like an innocent. The right word is Invasion.

 

[terranMarine]

^^
British Expedition to Tibet? Expedition???

Shameless country, they twisted the word, so they look like an innocent. The right word is Invasion.

Well not exactly Indians fault as they were under the British rule. The British wanted to expand and occupy other parts of central Asia. Since they were controlling India the white expansionists used their Indian slaves to invade Tibet and killing innocent people. Almost every South East Asian countries and Asia were occupied by western powers. The British called it expedition, in other words as you have said it invasion.

 

[shuttler]

There is nothing China can do if both North and South Korea wants to be united. It is not China's policy that is causing the problem.

From day one it has been the United States that is the root cause of the problem. United States wants a regime change (WHAT IS NEW!!) and till today still list N Korea in the axis of evil. From day one the six party talks was all about getting US and N Korea together. All the other 4 parties was there just so that US can at least talk to N Korea.

China policy on North Korea is very very clear. That is no war, no collapse, no nuclear weopans. In that order. This is the only pragmatic policy on N Korea.

Actually it is the "sunset" policies OF Lee Yong Bak, the "regime change" policy of US and "no unification" policy of Japan that is DRIVING North Korea into China's arms !!!

But off course I do not blame you for faulting China. I read western mainstream media too.

those indian and indian / vietcong US flaggers are joking fools of the century. if koreans unite, the japanese will be scared to pools of s*** bigger than the fools' rivers. US will lose his base in s korea and has to substantially scale down its weapon exports to ROK (japan cannot take up all the slacks!)! While China will save billions of aids and not have to worry about DPRK deployment of a launching pad near our border nor do we have to fear the mass influx of North Korean refugees!

 

[Zero_wing]

Oh please Chinese mainders in this are so idiotic. Your just saying that because you love to have buffer and client state and that's the truth and why would Japan be afraid of Korea? they not warlike anymore only you people are warlike in this region. Their Territorial disputes can be solve by peaceful means like the UN following civilized international which your country should follow true they have something on the Japanese but they are not like you they are willing to talk which again what a civilized should do.

And FIY on the idiot who use the Philippine American War dude it happen in the past in the early 20th Century were are in the 21st century people change and you should change too! The Americans then were arrogant and stupid and racist like you people thinking the world was theirs and no one else but Modern Americans lives the idea of multiculturalism ya sure a arrogance is still there sometimes ticks people off but its not so bad as the 19th century folks the point is we should forgive not forget well only us civilized people do that. As we filipino would say "why ask for payment form an old debt already paid"

 

[gambit]

Do you know why Japanese and South Koreans could invest in Vietnam? That's because they agreed not to occupy Cambodia any longer dumb sh!t.

The real dumb sh!t is YOU for being stupid enough to be busted at history and critical thinking, now trying to evade that exposure. Your wiki postings have no relevance. Nothing but smoke. You may be smart enough to use a computer, but I see nothing but mindless blather from a child.

You tried to make it as if the US trade embargo, not blockade, is the cause of the economic disasters that is North Korea and Viet Nam. You failed. Spectacularly. You cannot even understand the concept of privilege versus right in this issue. Throughout the Cold War history, EVERY SINGLE communist country was an economic sh!thole compare to the democratic-capitalist ones. They were so because of communism, not because of any trade embargo. Heck, am willing to bet you were borned after the Berlin Wall fell while I have been to East Berlin when it existed.

Your China abandoned communism as an economic model and that should have been obvious enough of an indictment against your silly 'American trade embargo' argument. But instead of it being obvious...

 

[gambit]

those indian and indian / vietcong US flaggers are joking fools of the century. if koreans unite, the japanese will be scared to pools of s*** bigger than the fools' rivers. US will lose his base in s korea and has to substantially scale down its weapon exports to ROK (japan cannot take up all the slacks!)! While China will save billions of aids and not have to worry about DPRK deployment of a launching pad near our border nor do we have to fear the mass influx of North Korean refugees!

Wrong. All around. If the Korean peninsula is united under the South's leadership, the US military will continue to remain in the country for most likely until your grandchildren's lifetime. The (once South) Korean military will be busy reinforcing the country's defenses against China and that mean more US military hardware sales as well as indigenous defense development. Japan will propose a mutual defense alliance with Korea and the Koreans will accept. That will draw the attention of other Asian countries as well. China will lose in the long run. The issue is how much and what kind of loss, other than face.