China plans to deploy J20 at Tibetan in 2018, India plans for the worst!

[ahfatzia]

Please don't kid yourselves.. there is no "secret" per se to be kept by not releasing the landing video. Nations have been doing it from decades.

So, stop Bsing and post some non photoshopped pics when J-15 actually lands.

And as far as J-20s are concerned, they are not going to be deployed in Tibet.

No problem, believe what you want to believe. The PLA is not in a hurry to prove to anyone of its combat readiness and neither I'm here to convince anyone.

As far as the J-20 is concerned, didn't I say in my first post it was a farce from the Americans?

 

[JayAtl]

India will face transition predicament if J20 deployment in Tibetan earlier than FGFA, Rafale or FGFA won't be able to make it sufficient to counter no matter by quantity or quanlity.

what are you basing your J20 capabilities on? the same media that said that your A/C was a " real" A/C that forgot what the 'A' in A/C stood for ? do you not see the reasoning behind everyone's suspect of your claims?- nobody knows anything but the word of the CCP and it's state run media. Can't bench mark it-

they won't take it to show's to bench mark it.. no Chinese military hardware, other than mundane low level stuff that almost any country can produce - is every bench-marked on the world stage. Everything exported we see is pretty much okay quality on tech.

 

[Gessler]

India will face transition predicament if J20 deployment in Tibetan earlier than FGFA, Rafale or FGFA won't be able to make it sufficient to counter no matter by quantity or quanlity.

You seem to be nuts. There's absolutely no need for a 1-on-1 match against
IAF v/s PLAAF there. You must know that aircraft are deployed on forward only
for readiness at a given time and that the no. thus deployed in that
position is not binding.

By 2018, we would have inducted around 300 MKIs and atleast 40 Raffys.
A number of the MKIs would be converted to Super Sukhois that are much
better than Su-35BM with AESA radars and maybe supercruising engines.

It must be noted IAF has already acquired the fighter-based ESA radar tech
while China is till some years away from that, and mind you, on the chinese
side of the border (mainly in TAR), a fighter ac can only carry about 50% its
usual combat load. That means 1 IAF ac can deploy as much firepower as
2 PLAAF ac.

 

[manofwar]

I call BS on this one. The J20 will take longer than 7 years to go from first flight to induction imho.

You can't be too sure about that.........Withwhat China's record of completing projects before deadline, I wouldn't be surprised if it does happen. But anyways China wouldn't be able to keep enough J 20 to be able to contain India, due to sheer lack of facilities. By comparison, the Indian side has many more capable airports in vicinity of Tibet. Also it's best fighters would be placed on the coast to counter USN and Japan, not on the borders of a nation it doesn't think of a big threat(according to some Chinese dudes here on PDF)

 

[Luffy 500]

Tibet is an integral part of china and technically India have nothing to do here. A strong powerful super power china is in the interest of S.asia , asia and the world as a whole. Hope they can deploy at least 2/3 ACs permanently in IOR in 15-20 years time The peaceful rise of china is welcome.

 

[帅的一匹]

And do you know how many F-35s will be there in your neighbourhood?? Japanese ones, American ones( in Japan), American naval ones...........These will outnumber any amount of J 20 that China may produce. Even if F-35 only has 75% capability of J 20, the sheer numbers will make up for the lack of features.........And even you can't deny that F-35 has perhaps the best avionics of any fighter, perhaps even better than F 22..........

If this is the case, then why USA refrain F22 from exporting instead of F35. When it comes to air force jets quantity, china double what Japan and Korea combine.

 

[manofwar]

Tibet is an integral part of china and technically India have nothing to do here. A strong powerful super power china is in the interest of S.asia , asia and the world as a whole. Hope they can deploy at least 2/3 ACs permanently in IOR in 15-20 years time The peaceful rise of china is welcome.

Man you really underestimate the USN..........
Wouldn't China's carriers be tasked to protect their own country against the American and Japanese threat, rather than against a country that will supposedly disintegrate, collapse or wouldn't be much of a threat anyway according to the Chinese members in PDF??

 

[Ticker]

You can't be too sure about that.........Withwhat China's record of completing projects before deadline, I wouldn't be surprised if it does happen. But anyways China wouldn't be able to keep enough J 20 to be able to contain India, due to sheer lack of facilities. By comparison, the Indian side has many more capable airports in vicinity of Tibet. Also it's best fighters would be placed on the coast to counter USN and Japan, not on the borders of a nation it doesn't think of a big threat(according to some Chinese dudes here on PDF)

9 Indian air bases which can operate against China if i correctly remember.

For base operations of SU-30s, special infrastructure is needed which is not present at all of these bases.

However, SU-30s can conduct staging operations through these bases.

Which other capable air ports are you talking about. The ones which can land a twin engine remote controlled nightingale.

 

[manofwar]

If this is the case, then why USA refrain F22 from exporting instead of F35. When it comes to air force jets quantity, china double what Japan and Korea combine.

Don't be naive man..........there are no friends if you want the top position for yourself, only allies. A superpower always tries to maintain it's supremacy by keeping the best of it's toys for itself. Su never sold their top fighters to any country, but since they have lost Superpower status , they have entered into several JV's with India..........
USA simply wants to maintain it's supremacy......But don't make the mistake of underestimating F-35, as it too can pack a punch...

 

[Gessler]

Tibet is an integral part of china and technically India have nothing to do here. A strong powerful super power china is in the interest of S.asia , asia and the world as a whole. Hope they can deploy at least 2/3 ACs permanently in IOR in 15-20 years time The peaceful rise of china is welcome.

They haven't a single operational CBG as yet and you dream of 2-3 ?

Lowlives, now that you dain't capable of walking around anymore on your own,
you jump on others shoulders and think your still walking.

 

[帅的一匹]

You seem to be nuts. There's absolutely no need for a 1-on-1 match against
IAF v/s PLAAF there. You must know that aircraft are deployed on forward only
for readiness at a given time and that the no. thus deployed in that
position is not binding.

By 2018, we would have inducted around 300 MKIs and atleast 40 Raffys.
A number of the MKIs would be converted to Super Sukhois that are much
better than Su-35BM with AESA radars and maybe supercruising engines.

It must be noted IAF has already acquired the fighter-based ESA radar tech
while China is till some years away from that, and mind you, on the chinese
side of the border (mainly in TAR), a fighter ac can only carry about 50% its
usual combat load. That means 1 IAF ac can deploy as much firepower as
2 PLAAF ac.

You just can't deal with a 5th gen fighter with something like super Suhoi, which is sure inferior to FGFA, might be inferior to J16 with AESA. China get deep insight in SU series fighters, while you lacks info of J20. One more thing to add, Rafale might be more efficient tackling J20 than you'd MKI fleet.

 

[Ticker]

Tibet is an integral part of china and technically India have nothing to do here. A strong powerful super power china is in the interest of S.asia , asia and the world as a whole. Hope they can deploy at least 2/3 ACs permanently in IOR in 15-20 years time The peaceful rise of china is welcome.

It will be fun if at least one with all its paraphernalia is based at Chittagong.

 

[JayAtl]

What the Chinese here don't seem to get and wrongly assume that the rest of us are suspect of their claims just because- is that it is based on facts.


let me try these examples:

1.the Indian super sukhoi- everyone knows it capability, all its avionics and capabilities have been bench-marked by many countries on the world market. It's no secret... the Russian tech, isreali tech is all open to be bench marked by many countries.

2.Then we all agree that Russians are way advanced in their military hardware for decades and decades now, but somehow we are told to take China's word that just started their hardware build up a decade or so but is more advanced than the Russian capabilities. That Russian tech exported all over the world is not up to Chinese standards because " Chinese say so"

3. Somehow India having access to the all of the world's best , while china not having access to legally purchase it- means China's non bench marked capability is far superior.


Makes no sense- We are not, at least I'm not suspect of Chinese hardware because I just feel like it. It is based on facts and the realities on the ground. Just because you have fan boys here in Pakistanis and Bangladeshi's does not lend any credence to propaganda over facts.

 

[Gessler]

Don't be naive man..........there are no friends if you want the top position for yourself, only allies. A superpower always tries to maintain it's supremacy by keeping the best of it's toys for itself. Su never sold their top fighters to any country, but since they have lost Superpower status , they have entered into several JV's with India..........
USA simply wants to maintain it's supremacy......But don't make the mistake of underestimating F-35, as it too can pack a punch...

F-35 can easily jam the F-22's AESA radar up. Jamming J-20s' supposed AESA
shall be a piece of cake for it. and j-20 can't shoot down a mosquito with its radar
jammed up.

 

[manofwar]

9 Indian air bases which can operate against China if i correctly remember.

For base operations of SU-30s, special infrastructure is needed which is not present at all of these bases.

However, SU-30s can conduct staging operations through these bases.

Which other capable air ports are you talking about. The ones which can land a twin engine remote controlled nightingale.

*sigh* Didn't you learn anything from the 65 war?? Why IAF suffered so many losses despite comparably less sorties?? That's because PAF bombed the Bases and destroyed many fighters on the ground itself. This is one of many scenarios that can happen you know.............A dogfight isn't the only thing that can happen. And for disabling Chinese facilities even missiles can be used. And in case of a similiar retaliation, we will be able to rebuild our bases quicker due to the isolated nature of Tibet.