China, Pakistan, India, BDesh, and Turkey: How fat are their wallets?

[StarCraft_ZT]

China--------------------------------------------------------$3,600 billions and climbing

How did Turkey,India, S Korea, or China accumulate so much wealth?

Too much foreign exchange reserve is not a good thing for China. US is outputing inflation to the whole world through QE.

As US 3rd quarter GDP grows strongly at roughly 4.1%, it will reduce QE from 40 billion to 35 billion, it's not a good thing for new emerging market.

 

[xuxu1457]

Very interesting thread, but we should find where the Foreign exchange reserves come from?
EG for China, Foreign exchange reserves is 3.31trillion $ at the end of 2012, and 3.66trillion $ at the Sep 2013.
I checked the Trade surplus，whole Trade surplus of China from 1990 to 2012 is 1.9trillion,
FDI from 1990 to 2012 is 1.4trillion $,
Trade surplus+FDI + a little others-out FDI=Foreign exchange reserves

From 1980 to 1989, except 2 years, nerely all years China had Trade deficit, at total 44.3billion $, from 1950 to 1981 in which 11 years China only had less than 0.1billion $ foreign exchange reserves.

 

[liall]

I wish we Indians followed China's model. We skipped the industrialisation phase and went straight to services. It has kept millions of farmers from moving on to factory jobs which China did successfully. Industrial services >> Software services and we could have made way much more $$$$ that way. I do not know what model Pakistan is following though.

 

[banvanaxl]

Pakistanis liberals didn't go anywhere. They are right here amongst us.

Before I explain their role.

I have a question for you.

What's common between Pakistani Liberals and Pakistani Islamists?

I would like to believe nothing .. and I'll tell you why ..

That the fact they are pakistanis first and foremost wouldn't make an iota of difference when you are talking about islamists is because they are motivated and radicalized by a certain sect of socio-political/religious leaders whose single point agenda is to maintain and enhance their powerbases. Historically the easiest way to do so was to promote fear and anarchy and then appear to be a messiah and savior to the masses. Case to the point .. Hitler and Stalin or Ashok Singhal's Babri Masjid rants or Mr. Lal Topi's Ghazwa-e-hinds notions in the subcontinent.

Liberals whether they be pakistanis or indians or nigerians for that matter tend to be educated (and I mean open minded enough to permit themselves to think and conceptualize ideas and notions as an individual which might not necessarily reflect the horde, not a college degree). A liberal pakistani will (i imagine to the best of my belief) think beyond the tenets of religion and try and take the best possible path for country and society at large and not just a particular sect, caste or religion.

On a different note though a counter argument I have faced on occasions is that you cannot be Liberal pakistani and a true patriot at the same time as Pakistan is inherently an orthodox Islamic state.

 

[RescueRanger]

I do not know what model Pakistan is following though.

Pretty much this:

 

[FaujHistorian]

I wish we Indians followed China's model. We skipped the industrialisation phase and went straight to services. It has kept millions of farmers from moving on to factory jobs which China did successfully. Industrial services >> Software services and we could have made way much more $$$$ that way. I do not know what model Pakistan is following though.

India, China and Pakistan are providing services based on their long histories and very specific expertise that noone else in the world can offer.

So it is good to admire each other, but it is not necessary that you do exactly the same thing as the other.

In summary please allow me to use this example (even though in real life we all offer multiple type of services).

-- If China is known for heart surgery
-- If India is known for brain surgery
-- If Pakistan is known as a surgeon who fixes broken bones.


Then it is OK to admire each other and even ask for help in the specific area of expertise

But you can never start saying

-- I hate being brain surgeon. I wish I had been a heart surgeon.


Also we cannot sit around and say hahahahahah, orthopedic surgeons are dumb idiots, we are superior because we deal with brains.




After giving this simpler example

Let me point out


that long time ago like 350 years ago British East India Company (BEIC) showed up in our part of the world. Guess what kind of experts they hired?



1. BEIC got the best industrial workers from China
2. BEIC got the best office workers from central (north and south) and East India
3. BEIC got the best police and military "workers" from modern day Pakistan




Fast forward to 1990s, the same specializations are being offered to the West like so many centuries ago.


Hope you understand.

 

[Kompromat]

@FaujHistorian

Did you take into account our 'warfare history'?

1971 - Economy crashed
1979 - 1989 - We were fighting commies for our Afghan 'brothers' and 'American masters'.

1990-1996 - Followed by the world's largest human migration of refugees, we were engaged in a civil war in Afghanistan against India and its N.Alliance proxies.

Plus we were under samctions.

1998: Indian brothers pop their nuclear bomb 2nd time just 40 miles away from our border...we pop back..... = more sanctions.

1999 : Kargil flare up + Sanctions + a posdible financial meltdown.

2000-2002 : We were in a 'full scale stand off with India'. + Sanctions.

2001: Holy land of Afghanistan gets invaded again. Uncle sam needs our help, sanctions are lifted in return for fighting yet another war on their behalf.

2005 : One of the worst earthquakes in human history, economic progress plummets.

2007: Hazrat Zardari gains power.

2010 : One of the worst flooding in recorded history, followed by a historic IDP crisis ON TOP of an existing IDP crisis from SWAT opetation, which alone was the largest IDP crisis in the world after WW-II. !

2014 : - We are reaching the end of all of the above in 'one piece'. The war costing us ~ 60,000 deaths and an economic loss of over $70-100 Billion!


Now please tell me all of the other nations had been subjected to what we have been subjected to, would they STILL have the same fat wallet as they have today??

The answer is 'no'. Peace brings economic prosparity and peace is a luxury we haven't had for ~ 35 years because we are too busy 'fighting other people's wars'.

This is madness, this is time we QUIT this and fight for OURSELVES and OURSELVES ALONE!!!

 

[FaujHistorian]

@FaujHistorian

Did you take into account our 'warfare history'?

1971 - Economy crashed
1979 - 1989 - We were fighting commies for our Afghan 'brothers' and 'American masters'.

1990-1996 - Followed by the world's largest human migration of refugees, we were engaged in a civil war in Afghanistan against India and its N.Alliance proxies.

Plus we were under samctions.

1998: Indian brothers pop their nuclear bomb 2nd time just 40 miles away from our border...we pop back..... = more sanctions.

1999 : Kargil flare up + Sanctions + a posdible financial meltdown.

2000-2002 : We were in a 'full scale stand off with India'. + Sanctions.

2001: Holy land of Afghanistan gets invaded again. Uncle sam needs our help, sanctions are lifted in return for fighting yet another war on their behalf.

2005 : One of the worst earthquakes in human history, economic progress plummets.

2007: Hazrat Zardari gains power.

2010 : One of the worst flooding in recorded history, followed by a historic IDP crisis ON TOP of an existing IDP crisis from SWAT opetation, which alone was the largest IDP crisis in the world after WW-II. !

2014 : - We are reaching the end of all of the above in 'one piece'. The war costing us ~ 60,000 deaths and an economic loss of over $70-100 Billion!


Now please tell me all of the other nations had been subjected to what we have been subjected to, would they STILL have the same fat wallet as they have today??

The answer is 'no'. Peace brings economic prosparity and peace is a luxury we haven't had for ~ 35 years because we are too busy 'fighting other people's wars'.

This is madness, this is time we QUIT this and fight for OURSELVES and OURSELVES ALONE!!!

Good observations

but few differences as well (they got to be. Don't you even realize our bad blood on PDF running now for several decades? hahahaha).


See my post #21.

I hope you see that OUR business has been WAR for at least 300 years if not more.

This is how we make money. We are profiteers of WAR. We are dastardly group. Who only know to earn money by aiding and abetting wars in the region.


So sorry.

you have to learn to live with it.

We are bunch of bad men. very very bad men. hahaha.

peace (strangely from the war profiteer).

 

[Kompromat]

@FaujHistorian

This is time we give up this 'mercenery ethic' of fighting wars on other people's behalf.

Allah has blessed us with immense human potential, intellectual capital, natural resources and a credible defense.

Trust me man, there are not many nations in the world that can claim that. ONLY if we manage our country better, we can have a 'fat wallet' like these states in the mid term!

Everyone has the same religion when it comes to money. Extremism will vanish in an economically powerful Pakistan.

A-Bomb l Check
H-Bomb l Check
Thermobaric Bomb l Check
E-Bomb-???

That E is as in Economics....the final weapon we need up our sleeves to rise as one of the great nations.

 

[RescueRanger]

I hope you see that OUR business has been WAR for at least 300 years if not more.

Pakistan has been an entity for 66 years, how did you come up with the 300 figure? Are you going back to the 1700's last i remember Pakistan came into Existence in 1947 not 1700...

This is how we make money. We are profiteers of WAR.

Sir, show me 1 nation that has not participated in war and I will gladly eat my own hat!

HERE IS A LIST OF WARS in HISTORY:

• 60,669,200-84,589,300 – World War II (1939–1945), (see World War II casualties)
• 30,000,000–60,000,000 – Mongol conquests (1206-1324)[2][3][4][5]
• 27,000,000 – Second Sino-Japanese War (1937-1945)[6]
• 25,000,000 – Qing dynasty conquest of Ming Dynasty (1616–1662)[7]
• 20,000,000 – Taiping Rebellion (1850–1864)[8]
• 16,563,868-30,000,000 – World War I/Great War (1914–1918) (see World War I casualties)
• 13,000,000 - An Lushan Rebellion (755–763)[9]
• 10,000,000 – Era of Warring States (475 BCE–221 BCE)
• 10,000,000 - Red Eyebrows Rebellion (9-24)
• 8,000,000–12,000,000 – Dungan revolt (1862 –1877)
• 7,500,000 – Chinese Civil War (1927–1949)[10]
• 7,000,000–20,000,000 – Conquests of Tamerlane (1370–1405)[11][12]
• 7,000,000 - Reconquista (711-1492)
• 5,000,000–9,000,000 – Russian Civil War and Foreign Intervention (1917–1922)[13]
• 5,000,000 - Conquests of Aurangzeb (1681-1707)
• 5,000,000 - Gothic War (535-554)
• 5,000,000 – Conquests of Menelik II of Ethiopia (1882–1898)[14][15]
• 4,000,000 - Three Kingdoms War in Ancient China (189-280)
• 3,500,000–6,000,000 – Napoleonic Wars (1803–1815) (see Napoleonic Wars casualties)
• 3,000,000–11,500,000 – Thirty Years' War (1618–1648)[16]
• 3,000,000–7,000,000 – Yellow Turban Rebellion (184–205)
• 3,000,000 - Second Northern War (1655-1660)
• 3,000,000 - French Wars of Religion (1562-1598)
• 3,000,000 - Hundred Years' War (1337-1453)
• 2,500,000–5,400,000 – Second Congo War/Great War of Africa (1998–2003)[17][18][19][20]
• 2,500,000–4,000,000 – Conquests of the Hunnic Empire (408–469)
• 2,500,000 – Russian–Circassian War (1763–1864)
• 2,000,000–4,000,000 – Huguenot Wars (1562-1598)[21]
• 2,000,000 - French Revolutionary Wars (1792-1802)
• 2,000,000 - Crusades (1096-1272)
• 2,000,000 – Shaka's conquests (1816–1828)[22]
• 2,000,000 - Fang La Rebellion (1120-1122)
• 1,500,000 - Algerian War of Independence (1954-1962)
• 1,200,000[23] – Korean War (1950–1953)
• 791,000-1,141,000[24] – Vietnam War/Second Indochina War (1955-1975)
• 1,000,000-3,000,000 - Nigerian Civil War (1967-1970)
• 1,000,000–2,000,000 – Mexican Revolution (1910–1920)[25]
• 1,000,000 - War in Venezuela (1830-1903)
• 1,000,000 - Sino–Tibetan War (1930-1932)
• 1,000,000 - First Indochina War (1946-1954)
• 1,000,000 - Dutch Revolt (1568-1648)
• 1,000,000 – Gallic Wars (58 BCE–52 BCE)
• 1,000,000 – Iran–Iraq War/First Persian Gulf War (1980–1988)[26]
• 1,000,000 – Japanese invasions of Korea (1592–1598)[27]
• 1,000,000 – Second Sudanese Civil War (1983–2005)
• 1,000,000 – Panthay Rebellion (1856–1873)
• 1,000,000 – Nien Rebellion (1853–1868)
• 957,865-1,622,865 – Soviet war in Afghanistan (1979–1989)[28][29][30]
• 900,000–1,000,000 – Mozambican Civil War (1975–1994)
• 868,000–1,400,000 – Seven Years' War (1756–1763)[31][32]
• 868,000 – English Civil War (1642–1651)
• 800,000–1,000,000 – Rwandan Civil War (1990–1993)
• 800,000 – First Congo War (1996–1997)
• 750,000 – American Civil War (1861–1865)[33]
• 620,000 - Irish Confederate War(1641-1653)
• 600,000 - Colombian conflict (1964–present) (1964–present)[34]
• 580,000 – Bar Kokhba’s revolt (Third Jewish-Roman War) (132–135CE)
• 570,000 – Eritrean War of Independence (1961–1991)
• 550,000 – Somali Civil War (1988–present)
• 529,000 – Turkish War of Independence (1919–1923)
• 500,000–1,000,000 – Spanish Civil War (1936–1939)
• 500,000+ – Assyrian wars of conquest (8th–7th Century BCE)
• 500,000 - First Sudanese Civil War (1955 - 1972)
• 500,000 – Angolan Civil War (1975–2002)
• 500,000 – Ugandan Bush War (1979–1986)
• 480,000+ - Cimbrian War (113 BC-101 BC)
• 440,000+ – Kitos War (115-117)
• 400,000–1,100,000 – First Jewish–Roman War (66–73 CE)
• 400,000–1,000,000 – Paraguayan War (1864–1870)
• 400,000+ – Chinese invasion of Korea (612)
• 400,000 – Civil war in Afghanistan (1989–92), Civil war in Afghanistan (1992–96) and Civil war in Afghanistan (1996–2001) (1989-2001)[35]
• 400,000 – War of the Spanish Succession (1701–1714)
• 371,000 – Continuation War (1941–1944)
• 350,000 – Third Northern War (1700–1721)[36]
• 315,000–735,000 – Wars of the Three Kingdoms (1639–1651)[37]
• 300,000–3,000,000[38] – Bangladesh Liberation War (1971)
• 300,000 – First Burundian Civil War (1972)
• 300,000 – Second Burundian Civil War (1993-2005)[39]
• 285,000 - Second Italo-Ethiopian War (1935-1936)
• 272,000-329,745 - War on Terror (2001–present)[40]
• 270,000–300,000 – Crimean War (1854–1856)
• 234,000 – Philippine–American War (1899–1912)[41]
• 230,000–2,000,000 – Eighty Years' War (1568–1648)
• 230,000–1,400,000 – Ethiopian Civil War (1974–1991)
• 220,000 - Xinhai Revolution (1911-1912)
• 220,000 – First Liberian Civil War (1989–1996)[42]
• 210,000 - Internal conflict in Burma (1948–present)
• 200,000–1,000,000 – Albigensian Crusade (1208–1259)[43][44]
• 200,000–800,000 – Warlord Era in China (1916–1928)
• 200,000—500,000 — Lord's Resistance Army insurgency (1987–present)[45]
• 200,000–400,000 – Indonesian National Revolution (1945–1949)
• 200,000-300,000 - Cambodian Civil War (1967-1975)
• 200,000–220,000 – Arauco War (1536–1883)
• 200,000 – Second Punic War (218 BCE–204 BCE) (see List of Roman battles)
• 200,000 – Sierra Leone Civil War (1992–2001)
• 200,000 – Algerian Civil War (1991–2002)[46][47]
• 200,000 – Guatemalan Civil War (1960–1996)
• 192,000 - Arauco War (1536-1810)
• 190,000 – Franco-Prussian War (1870–1871)
• 180,000–300,000 – La Violencia (1948–1960)
• 178,258-461,520 – War in Darfur (2003–present)[48]
• 176,913-189,736 – Iraq War/Third Persian Gulf War (2003–2011), see Casualties of the Iraq War, part of the War on Terror[49]
• 175,300 - Cambodian–Vietnamese War (1977-1989)
• 170,000-200,000 - War in the Vendée (1793-1796)
• 170,000 – Greek War of Independence (1821–1830)
• 161,528 - First Balkan War (1912-1913)
• 150,000 - 300,000 - Second Liberian Civil War (1999-2003)
• 150,000–170,000 – Lebanese Civil War (1975–1990)
• 150,000 – North Yemen Civil War (1962–1970)
• 150,000 – Russo-Japanese War (1904–1905)
• 148,000–1,000,000 – Winter War (1939)
• 140,203 - Boxer Rebellion (1899-1901)
• 138,800-320,100 - Iraqi–Kurdish conflict (1918-2003)[50][51]
• 130,000 - Nine Year War (1594-1603)
• 125,000 – Eritrean-Ethiopian War (1998–2000)
• 120,000–384,000 – Great Turkish War (1683–1699) (see Ottoman-Habsburg wars)
• 120,000 – Syrian Civil War (2011–present), see Casualties of the Syrian civil war
• 120,000 - Islamic insurgency in the Philippines (1969–present)[52]
• 120,000 – Third Servile War (73 BCE–71 BCE)
• 116,000-500,000 – Yugoslav Wars 1991–1995
• 115,311 - Arab-Israeli conflict (1920–present)[53]
• 106,800+ - Mexican Drug War (2006–present)[54][55]
• 104,000-250,000 - Bosnian War (1992–1995)
• 100,500 – Chaco War (1932–1935)
• 100,000–1,000,000 – Algerian War of Independence (1954–1962)
• 100,000–1,000,000 – War of the two brothers (1531–1532)
• 100,000–400,000 – Western New Guinea (1984– ) (see Genocide in West Papua)
• 100,000–200,000 – Indonesian invasion of East Timor (1975–1978)
• 100,000-200,000 - Congo Crisis (1960-1965)
• 100,000-120,000 - First War of Scottish Independence (1296-1328)
• 100,000 - Insurgency in Laos (1975 - 2007)[56]
• 100,000 – Harrying of the North (1069–1070)
• 100,000 – Thousand Days War (1899–1902)
• 100,000 – White Lotus Rebellion (1794-1804)
• 100,000 – German Peasants' War (1524–1525)[57]
• 97,000-107,000 - Aceh War (1873-1914)[58]
• 90,969 - Mahdist War (1881-1889)
• 90,000+ - Third conflict in the Goryeo–Khitan War (1018-1019)[59]
• 85,000-235,000 - 1991 uprisings in Iraq (1991)[60][61][62]
• 80,000 – Third Punic War (149 BCE–146 BCE)
• 78,000-88,000 - Salvadoran Civil War (1979-1992)
• 75,000–200,000 – Wars of Alexander the Great (336 BCE–323 BCE)
• 75,000 – Second Boer War (1899–1902)
• 70,000–400,000 – Greco-Turkish War, part of the Turkish War of Independence
• 73,000 - Scottish Civil war (1644-1651)
• 70,000+ - Laotian Civil War (1953–75)
• 70,000 – Boudica's uprising (60–61)
• 69,000 – Internal conflict in Peru (1980–present)
• 63,500-88,500 - Mozambican War of Independence (1964-1974)[63]
• 60,000+ - War of the League of Cambrai (1508-1516)
• 60,000–432,000 Turkish-Armenian War, part of the Turkish War of Independence
• 60,000 – Sri Lanka/Tamil conflict (1983–2009)
• 60,000 - Ituri conflict (1999-2007)[64]
• 60,000 – Nicaraguan Revolution (1972–91)
• 55,000 – War of the Pacific (1879–1884)
• 54,402 - 74,402 - Second Chechen War (1999-2009)
• 50,605 - Second Balkan War (1913)
• 50,000–200,000 – First Chechen War (1994–1996)
• 50,000–100,000 – Tajikistan Civil War (1992–1997)
• 50,000–100,000 – Prussian Crusade (13th Century)
• 50,400 - Second Matabele War (1896-1897)
• 50,000 – Wars of the Roses (1455–1485) (see Wars involving England)
• 48,311 - First Sino-Japanese War
• 47,246—61,603 — War in Afghanistan (2001–present) (2001–present), part of the War on Terror[49]
• 45,852 — 78,946 — War in North-West Pakistan (2004–present), part of the War on Terror[49]
• 45,000 – 50,000 – American Revolutionary War (1775–1783)
• 45,000 – Kurdish–Turkish conflict (1979-2013)[65]
• 45,000 – Greek Civil War (1945–1949)
• 43,388 - Communist insurgency in the Philippines (1942–present)
• 42,000+ - Pyrrhic War (280 BC–275 BC)
• 41,000–100,000 – Kashmiri insurgency (1989–present)
• 40,000 – Franco-Turkish War, part of the Turkish War of Independence
• 40,000–57,000 – Second Persian Gulf War/Operation Desert Storm (1990–1991)
• 36,000 – Finnish Civil War (1918)
• 35,000–40,000 – War of the Pacific (1879–1884)
• 35,000–45,000 – Siege of Malta (1565) (see Ottoman wars in Europe)
• 34,000 - Iranian-Kurdish conflict (1918–present)[66]
• 34,000 - Ethnic conflict in Nagaland (1954–present)[67]
• 33,000 - Italian War of 1551-1559 (1551-1559)
• 32,000 - First Italo-Ethiopian War (1895-1896)
• 30,000+ - First Anglo-Burmese War (1824-1826)
• 30,000+ - Nagorno-Karabakh War (1988-1994)
• 30,000 - Mughal-Rajput War (1558-1578) (1558-1578)
• 30,000 – Sino-Vietnamese War (1979)
• 30,000 – Rhodesian Bush War (1964–1979)
• 28,000 – First Lebanon War (1982), part of the Lebanese Civil War
• 26,278 - Satsuma Rebellion (1877)
• 26,500-87,000 - Islamic uprising in Syria (1979-1982)
• 26,200-206,200 - Donghak Peasant Revolution (1894-1895)
• 25,000 - Insurgency in Northeast India (1964–present)[68]
• 25,000–30,000 – Libyan civil war (2011)
• 25,000 - Polish-Ukrainian War (1918-1919)
• 25,000 - War of Canudos (1896 - 1897)
• 25,000 - Shia insurgency in Yemen (2004–present)[69]
• 23,384 – Indo-Pakistani War of 1971 (December 1971)
• 23,000 – Nagorno-Karabakh War (1988–1994)
• 22,000+ - Italian War of 1521-26 (1521-1526)
• 21,100 - Italo-Turkish War (1911-1912)
• 20,136 - Musket Wars (1807-1842)
• 20,035 - Anglo-Persian War (1856–1857)
• 20,000+ - Second War of Scottish Independence (1337-1357)
• 20,000+ – War in Abkhazia (1992–1993) (1992–1993)
• 20,000 - Ragamuffin War (1835-1845)[70]
• 19,000+ – Mexican–American War (1846–1848)
• 18,806 - Japanese invasion of Taiwan (1895) (1895)
• 18,069-20,069 - First Opium War (1839-1842)[71]
• 17,800 - 74,000 Hungarian Revolution of 1848 (1848-1849)
• 17,200 - First Anglo-Afghan War (1839-1842)[72]
• 16,765 - 17,065 - Balochistan conflict (1948–present)[73][74][75]
• 16,200+ - War of the Rough Wooing (1543-1550)
• 15,000 - 20,000 - Bougainville Conflict (1990-1998)
• 15,000 – 20,000 – Croatian War of Independence (1991–1995)
• 15,000 - Nigerian Sharia conflict (1953–present)[76][77][78]
• 14,850 - Second Anglo-Afghan War (1878-1880)
• 14,400–24,400 – 1948 Palestine War (1947–1949)
• 14,077 - Mau Mau Uprising (1952-1960)
• 14,000–24,483 – Six-Day War (1967)
• 14,000 - 21,000 - Western Sahara conflict (1970–present)
• 13,929 - Republic of the Congo Civil War (1997-1999)[79]
• 13,812 - Naxalite-Maoist insurgency (1967–present)[80][81]
• 13,000-25,000 - Austro-Prussian War (1866)
• 13,000-24,000 - Despenser War (1321-1322)
• 13,000+ - First Italian War (1494-1498)
• 12,000+ - Italian War of 1542-1546 (1542-1546)
• 13,000 – Nepalese Civil War (1996–2006)
• 13,000 - Ottoman–Saudi War (1811-1818)
• 12,000 - Ouaddai War (1909-1911)
• 12,370 - Second Anglo-Dutch War (1665-1667)
• 11,200-13,000 - Battle of Zhuolu (2,500 BCE)
• 11,053 – Malayan Emergency (1948–1960)
• 11,000 - 1907 Romanian Peasants' Revolt (1907)
• 11,000 – Spanish-American War (1898)
• 10,800-13,400 - Second Italian War of Independence (1859)
• 10,000–21,000 – Yom Kippur War (1973)
• 10,100 - First Matabele War (1893-1894)
• 10,000 – Amadu's Jihad (1810–1818)
• 10,000 - Nazi Germany invasion of Czechoslovakia (1938)
• 9,000+ - Dirty War (1976-1983)
• 9,000+ - Second Italian War (1499-1504)
• 8,500 - Insurgency in Ogaden (1995-2008)
• 8,500 – Toyota War (1986–87) part of the Chadian-Libyan conflict
• 8,136+ — Iraqi insurgency (post-U.S. withdrawal) (2011–present)[82]
• 8,000 - Unification of Saudi Arabia (1902-1932)
• 8,000 – War of the Confederation (1836–1839)
• 7,727 - Anglo-Zulu War (1879)
• 7,264–10,000 – Indo-Pakistani War of 1965 (August–September 1965)
• 7,000–24,000 – American War of 1812 (1812–1815)
• 7,000–10,000 – 1994 civil war in Yemen (1994)
• 6,500+ - Ethio-Somali War (1977-1978)
• 6,000 - Insurgency in the Maghreb (2002–present)[83]
• 5,800-9,000 - Contestado War (1912-1916)
• 5,670+ - 1936–39 Arab revolt in Palestine (1936-1939)
• 5,641 - Sudanese nomadic conflicts (2009–present)[84][85]
• 5,573–13,521 – War of Attrition (1967–70)
• 5,500 - Prayer Book Rebellion (1549)
• 5,469 - South Thailand insurgency (2004–present)[86]
• 5,400 - Estonian War of Independence (1918-1920)
• 5,000–12,000 – South Yemen Civil War (1986)
• 5,000 – 6,000 – Brazilian War of Independence (1822–1823)
• 5,000 - 5,500 - First Anglo-Dutch War (1652-1654)
• 5,000 - Casamance conflict[87]
• 5,000 – Turkish invasion of Cyprus (1974)
• 5,000 - Chilean Civil War of 1891 (1891)[88]
• 5,000 – Franco-Syrian War (1919–1921)
• 4,812-5,279 - Georgian–Ossetian conflict (1918–20) (1918-1920)
• 4,600 – Sino-Indian War (1962)
• 4,382 - Zaian War (1914-1921)
• 4,186 - Latvian War of Independence (1918-1920)
• 4,027 - French conquest of Morocco (1911-1912)
• 4,000 - 10,000 Conflict in the Niger Delta (2004–present)[89]
• 4,000 - 1920 Iraqi Revolt (1920)
• 4,000 – Irish Civil War (1922–23)
• 4,000 - Boshin War (1868-1869)
• 4,000 - Kumul Rebellion (1931-1934)
• 4,000 - Third Anglo-Dutch War (1672-1674)
• 3,800 - Albanian Rebellion of 1997 (1997)
• 3,781 – War of the Camps (1985–1988), part of the Lebanese Civil War
• 3,699 - Al-Qaeda insurgency in Yemen (1992–present)[90]
• 3,600 - King Philip's War (1675 - 1678)
• 3,500 - Platine War (1851 - 1852)
• 3,533 - Dominican Civil War (1965)
• 3,529 - The Troubles (1969 - 1998)[91]
• 3,524 - Northern Mali conflict (2012-2013)
• 3,400–10,000 Jordanian-Palestinian Civil War
• 3,250 - Constitutionalist Revolution (1932)
• 3,203 – Suez War (1956)
• 3,036-4,036 - Bambatha Rebellion (1906)
• 3,007 - War of the Golden Stool (1900)
• 3,000-6,000 - Negro Rebellion (1912)[92][93]
• 3,000 - Second Ivorian Civil War (2010 - 2011)[94]
• 3,000 – Civil war in Côte d'Ivoire (2002–2007)
• 2,899 – New Zealand Land Wars (1845–1872)
• 2,781 - Iranian Revolution (1978-1979)[95]
• 2,751 - Third Anglo-Afghan War (1919)[96]
• 2,613-3,613 - British expedition to Tibet (1903-1904)
• 2,604–7,000 – Indo-Pakistani War of 1947 (1947–1948)
• 2,650 - Pontiac's War (1763-1766)
• 2,557 - Sudan internal conflict (2011–present) (20011-present)[97][98][99]
• 2,523 - Second Melillan campaign (1909-1910)
• 2,500+ - Creek War (1813-1814)
• 2,300+ – Saudi-Rashidi War (1903–1907)
• 2,200+ - Northwest Indian War (1785-1795)
• 2,198 - Insurgency in the North Caucasus (2009–present)[100][101][102][103][104]
• 2,118 - Revolution of 1905 (1905-1907)
• 2,100 – Saudi-Yemeni War (1934)
• 2,000–7,000 – Kosovo War (1998–1999)
• 2,000-3,000 - Battle of Sark (1448)
• 2,000-3,000 - Xinjiang conflict (1989–present)
• 2,000+ - Battle of Otterburn (1388)
• 2,000 - 2011 Yemeni Revolution (2011 - 2012)
• 2,000 - Six-Day War (2000) (2000)[105]
• 2,000 – Football War (1969)
• 2,000 - Costa Rican Civil War (1948)
• 2,000 - 2010 South Kyrgyzstan ethnic clashes (2010)[106][107][108]
• 2,000 – Irish War of Independence (1919–21)
• 2,000 – Uganda–Tanzania war (1978–79)
• 2,000 – Turko-Cypriot War (1974)
• 2,000 - Ikhwan Revolt (1927-1930)
• 2,000 - War of the Bucket (1325)
• 1,000-2,000 - Black War (1828–32)
• 1,724 – War of Lapland (1945)
• 1,700+ - Snake War (1864-1868)
• 1,643-2,237 - War of Transnistria (1992)[109][110][111][112]
• 1,600 – Mountain War (Lebanon) (1983–1984), part of the Lebanese Civil War
• 1,554 - South Yemen insurgency (2009–present)[113][114]
• 1,500 - Battle of Piperdean (1436)
• 1,500 - Monmouth Rebellion (1685)
• 1,500 – Romanian Revolution (1989)
• 1,500 – Second Lebanon War (2006)
• 1,400 - 1999 East Timorese crisis (1999-2000)
• 1,392 - Al-Khurma dispute/First Nejd-Hejaz war (1918-1919)
• 1,371-1,397 - 2011–present Libyan factional fighting (2011–present)
• 1,310-2,026 - Chadian Civil War (2005–10) (2005-2010)
• 1,229 - Basque conflict (1959-2011)[115]
• 1,227-5,600 - Kargil War (1999)[116][117][118][119]
• 1,179–1,430 – Gaza War (2008–09)
• 1,119 - Political violence in Egypt, 2013 (2013–present)[120]
• 1,118 - Austrian Civil War (1934)
• 1,001 - Dutch intervention in Bali (1906) (1906)
• 1,000+ - Bathurst War (1824)
• 1,000+ - Thai-Laotian Border War (1987-1988)
• 1,000-1,500 - Cabinda conflict (1994–present)[121]
• 1,000 – Zapatista uprising in Chiapas (1994)
• 1,000 - Khuzestan conflict (1924–present)
• 1,000 – Mexican War of Independence (1810–1821)
• 1,000 - Italian invasion of Albania (1939)
• 1,000 - 1991–92 South Ossetia War (1991-1992)[122]
• 874 - Falklands War (1982)
• 846 - 2011 Egyptian revolution (2011)[123]
• 835+ - First Samoan Civil War (1886-1894)
• 835 - First Barbary War (1801–05)
• 750 - Great Sioux War (1876)
• 740 - Indonesia–Malaysia confrontation (1962–1966)
• 700-800 - Anglo-Aro War (1901-1902)
• 680+ - Dakota War (1862)
• 659-2,496 - Russia–Georgia war (2008)[124][125][126][127][128]
• 655+ - Guinea-Bissau Civil War (1998-1999)
• 626 - Korean DMZ Conflict (1966-1969)
• 518 - Cenepa War (1995)
• 500+ - Nauruan Tribal War (1878-1888)
• 500+ - War of the League of Cognac (1525-1530)
• 466 - Easter Rising (1916)
• 450+ - Marian civil war (1568-1573
• 449 - First Boer War (1880-1881)
• 400+ - Anglo-Zanzibar War (1896)
• 391+ - M23 rebellion (2012–present)[129][130][131]
• 367 - Communist Insurgency War (1968-1989)
• 344 - Sinai insurgency (2011–present)
• 339 - Sand War (1963)
• 338 - Tunisian revolution (2010-2011)
• 320 - Insurgency in the Republic of Macedonia (2001)
• 300+ - Red Cloud's War (1866-1868)
• 300+ - Ghost Dance War (1890-1891)
• 260 - Owens Valley Indian War (1862-18667)
• 221 - Senussi Campaign (1915-1917)
• 221 - Baptist War (1831-1832)
• 213-523 - Jebel Akhdar War (1954–1959)
• 201 - Operation Uphold Democracy (1994-1995)
• 200+ - Mauritania-Senegal Border War (1989-1991)
• 200+ - Nez Perce War (1877)
• 200 - Syrian civil war spillover in Lebanon (2011–present)
• 170 - War Of The Stray Dog (1925)
• 164 - Utah War (1857–58)
• 176 - Flagstaff War (1845-1846)
• 174-194 - United States occupation of Veracruz (1914)[132]
• 171 - Agacher Strip War (1985)
• 159+ - Sino-Soviet border conflict (1969)
• 144+ - Djiboutian-Eritrean border conflict (2008)
• 130+ - Powder River War (1865)
• 128 - North-West Rebellion (1885)
• 110 - Tajikistan insurgency (2010–present)
• 107 - Dutch intervention in Bali (1908) (1908)
• 100-200 - Brooks-Baxter War (1874)
• 100-140 - West Virginia Coal War (1920-1921)
• 100+ - Djiboutian Civil War (1991-1994)
• 100+ - Second Samoan Civil War (1898-1899)
• 100+ - Solomon Islands Civil War (1998-2003)
• 100 - Adwan Rebellion (1923)
• 98 - Bahraini uprising (2011–present) (2011–present)
• 95 - 2013 Guinea clashes (2013)[133]
• 84-134 - Lahad Datu standoff (2013)[134][135]
• 80+ - Paiute War (1860)
• 80 - Modoc War (1872-1873)
• 70 - Bleeding Kansas (1854–1861)
• 69-199 Colorado Coalfield War (1913-1914)
• 64 - Invasion of Grenada (1983)
• 61 - White River War (1879)
• 57 - Second Barbary War (1815)
• 51 - Battle of the Severn (1655)
• 47+ - Allied Democratic Forces insurgency (2007–present) (2007–present)[136]
• 42 - Dissident Irish Republican campaign (1998–present)
• 27+ - Battle of Solway Moss (1542)
• 27 - Hanish Islands conflict (1995)
• 25+ - San Elizario Salt War (1877-1878)
• 22 - Missouri Mormon War (1838)
• 24 - Lincoln County War (1878)
• 20-34 - Pleasant Valley War (1882-1892)
• 19 - Chilcotin War (1864)
• 17 - Watermelon War (1856)
• 17 - IRA Border Campaign (1956-1962)
• 15+ - Mason County War (1875-1976)
• 14 - Battle of Muizenberg (1785)
• 14 - Caprivi Conflict (1998-1999)
• 10 - Illinois Mormon War (1844)
• 9 - Morrisite War (1862)
• 9 - Crow War (1887)
• 8 - Sokehs Rebellion (1910-1911)
• 7 - Battle of Sugar Point (1898)
• 7 - IRA Northern Campaign (1942-1944)
• 6-7 - October Revolution (1917)
• 3 - Sheepshooters War (1895-1902)
• 3 - Bluff War (1914-1915)
• 3 - Yaqui Uprising (1896)
• 2 - Posey War (1923)
• 3 - Crazy Snake's War 1909
• 2+ - Pink's War (1925)
• 1 - Bannock Uprising (1895)
• 1 - Coconut War (1980)

PAKISTAN ONLY FOUGHT 4...

This is how we make money.

Funny, i thought most Pakistanis were agriculturalists... It is the mainstay of our economy is it not?

We are dastardly group

So now the people are judged by the actions of the state?

We are bunch of bad men. very very bad men. hahaha.

What happened to the women... I thought you were a champion for equality, sure this is discrimination if only men are condemned and not the women.

 

[banvanaxl]

I wish we Indians followed China's model. We skipped the industrialisation phase and went straight to services. It has kept millions of farmers from moving on to factory jobs which China did successfully. Industrial services >> Software services and we could have made way much more $$$$ that way.

I would however like to point out that the said model worked because of specific social structures that imposed on the masses. It would never work in the Indian context. A gentleman who went by the name of Mr. Sanjay Gandhi did try and emulate some of the policies China was enforcing during its heydays ......... and look where that landed him.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Pakistan has been an entity for 66 years, how did you come up with the 300 figure? Are you going back to the 1700's last i remember Pakistan came into Existence in 1947 not 1700....

Bhai Rescue

That was a light hearted take on the 300 years history.

borders changed but people in the modern day Pakistan are the sons of soil.

They have been here for a lot more than 300 years.

Thus their habits and their culture and their history must not be shrunk to 60 years.

That will be a HUGE travesty with the history of people.

So yes majority of modern day Punjab were agriculturist, but who was not? especially if you go back 200 years. Everyone had to do some agriculture to survive. Taht's not the only thing people did though.


In case of modern day Pakistan, majority of people from up north supplemented their farm income with jobs in law enforcement.


Do you know by the way, the origin of a South Indian Sultan aka Tipu?


Peace

@FaujHistorian

This is time we give up this 'mercenery ethic' of fighting wars on other people's behalf..

Can you expect shark to quit attacking other fish

and become vegetarian?

I'm surprised that you would use derogatory terms like "mercenary ethic".

A job is a job.

Do you see a computer programmer for Andhra using those kind of terms like Kompooter Kooli?

Do you.

Have pride in your profession, whatever it is.

have a pride please. And let others have pride in their chosen profession.

Not sure about your ethnic background and I'll never comment on it (against my principles)

But

In my family I see a lot of Bihar based anti-Punjabi rhetoric.

But that's just stupid.

We all have our strengths and our weakness.

Us Biharis were not known to produce professional soldiers. At least not in large quantities as Punjab.

That doesn't give us any right to call them "mercenary" thing.

They work for their government of the time like we all do.


Thank you.

 

[Janmejay]

India is bigger than pakistan so of course it will have more foreign reserves than pakistan......

 

[RescueRanger]

So yes majority of modern day Punjab were agriculturist, but who was not? especially if you go back 200 years. Everyone had to do some agriculture to survive. Taht's not the only thing people did though.

Not just Punjab, my family are not Punjabi, but even in our community people grew pulses back in the dark ages... And your right about "agriculture" not being the be all and end all of trades, some were traders, some were transporters, there are many other professions such as blacksmiths, hakeems, goldsmiths, fishmongers, career bureaucrats, land lords(if you can call that a profession), laborers, artisans, millers and carpenters. I don't know of any family that solely survived on "jang" as a profession...

 

[Indien]

Excellent point.


There were some old families you mentioned. Please do not forget trader/thinker/visionary family of Cowasjis.


Then there were new ones like the latif family of BECO fame
Sehgals
and

off course Sharifs (dad of the current PM, and CM-Punjab).


They all pushed Pakistani economy way beyond one could have ever imagined in the challenging days of 1947.


However 70s changed all that when marxist, socialists looted all those factories, banks, and even colleges and schools.
While the commie Bhutto destroyed the economic engine,

he also started consuming Wahabi poison from the likes of Shah faisal.

Islamo fascism started as an outcrop of Islamo-socialism.


It was like turning Pakistan's industrial heartland into a rust belt within a short span of 2 years.

All these business families were crushed under the full weight of state.

Once economy and economic engine was gone.

Pakistanis dug themselves even deeper by continuing with Islamo-socialism all the way until mid 90s.


peace

u r right friend, communists are scums