China On-Course To Make ‘Trillion Dollar’ F-35 Jets Useless With Its Stealth Detecting Radars

[beijingwalker]

China On-Course To Make ‘Trillion Dollar’ F-35 Jets Useless With Its Stealth Detecting Radars

ByAyush Jain

April 25, 2021

China is all set to get advanced radars capable of detecting stealth fighter jets such as US F-35 as well as drones and even low-flying cruise missiles, according to reports.

In November last year, The EurAsian Times reported that China has developed an anti-stealth radar that can detect advanced stealth. Moreover, the radar could guide missiles towards stealthy fighter jets.

In the three-day World Radar Expo held in Nanjing, in East China’s Jiangsu province, China showcased its various advanced surveillance systems including “anti-stealth” technology, as a countermeasure to fifth-generation aircraft that have become a challenge to air defense systems worldwide. The event concluded on Saturday.

Developed by the No.14 Research Institute of the state-owned China Electronics Technology Group Corporation or CETC, the SLC-7 L-band 3D surveillance radar system can take down targets including stealth aircraft, helicopters, drones, cruise missiles, tactical ballistic missiles, near-space targets, and artillery shells and rockets, making it much more versatile than many competing products, according to a statement by the research institute quoted by Global Times.

With its gigantic antenna, the flagship radar YLC-8E can detect “even the most advanced stealth aircraft”, and that its high-definition feature is superior to foreign competitors.

In contrast to this big antenna, the research institute also showcased an advanced man-portable radar system capable of detecting low-altitude, low observable, low-speed flying targets like drones, aircraft, and subsonic cruise missiles. This is designated as YLC-48, dubbed “terminator of drones”.

This small radar could be effectively used for all kinds of lightweight ground-based weapons platforms for all-weather operations with rapid deployment and withdrawal, according to its developer.

Further developing this “drone terminator”, the institute has also developed the AUDS high-mobile anti-drone system based on the YLC-48 which can greatly enhance China’s public safety and low-altitude security defense capabilities in sensitive areas, Global Times reported.

However, while the advancements in radar technology are important, it is certainly not impossible to counter stealth aircraft using the current technology. In an interesting writeup while explaining problems encountered by Israeli F-35I against Russian radars in Syria, defense analyst David Cenciotti, explains:

“In fact, tactical fighter-sized stealth aircraft are built to defeat radar operating at specific frequencies; usually high-frequency bands as C, X, Ku and S band where the radar accuracy is higher (in fact, the higher the frequency, the better is the accuracy of the radar system).

“However, once the frequency wavelength exceeds a certain threshold and causes a resonant effect, LO aircraft become increasingly detectable… Radars that operate at bands below 300 MHz (lower UHF, VHF and HF radars), such as the so-called Over The Horizon (OTH) radars, are believed to be particularly dangerous for stealth planes: although they are not much accurate (because lower frequency implies very large antenna and lower angle accuracy and angle resolution) they can spot stealth planes and be used to guide fighters equipped with IRST towards the direction the LO planes might be.”

China On-Course To Make 'Trillion Dollar' F-35 Jets Useless With Its Stealth Detecting Radars

China is all set to get radars capable of detecting stealth jets like US F-35 as well as drones and even low-flying cruise missiles.

eurasiantimes.com

 

[fallstuff]

Okay so China successfully copied the Russian s400 ?

 

[beijingwalker]

Okay so China successfully copied the Russian s400 ?

No, Bangladesh did.

 

[Oldman1]

That means China's stealth planes are useless before even being put into production.

 

[The Accountant]

China On-Course To Make ‘Trillion Dollar’ F-35 Jets Useless With Its Stealth Detecting Radars

ByAyush Jain

April 25, 2021

China is all set to get advanced radars capable of detecting stealth fighter jets such as US F-35 as well as drones and even low-flying cruise missiles, according to reports.

In November last year, The EurAsian Times reported that China has developed an anti-stealth radar that can detect advanced stealth. Moreover, the radar could guide missiles towards stealthy fighter jets.

In the three-day World Radar Expo held in Nanjing, in East China’s Jiangsu province, China showcased its various advanced surveillance systems including “anti-stealth” technology, as a countermeasure to fifth-generation aircraft that have become a challenge to air defense systems worldwide. The event concluded on Saturday.

Developed by the No.14 Research Institute of the state-owned China Electronics Technology Group Corporation or CETC, the SLC-7 L-band 3D surveillance radar system can take down targets including stealth aircraft, helicopters, drones, cruise missiles, tactical ballistic missiles, near-space targets, and artillery shells and rockets, making it much more versatile than many competing products, according to a statement by the research institute quoted by Global Times.

With its gigantic antenna, the flagship radar YLC-8E can detect “even the most advanced stealth aircraft”, and that its high-definition feature is superior to foreign competitors.

In contrast to this big antenna, the research institute also showcased an advanced man-portable radar system capable of detecting low-altitude, low observable, low-speed flying targets like drones, aircraft, and subsonic cruise missiles. This is designated as YLC-48, dubbed “terminator of drones”.

This small radar could be effectively used for all kinds of lightweight ground-based weapons platforms for all-weather operations with rapid deployment and withdrawal, according to its developer.

Further developing this “drone terminator”, the institute has also developed the AUDS high-mobile anti-drone system based on the YLC-48 which can greatly enhance China’s public safety and low-altitude security defense capabilities in sensitive areas, Global Times reported.

However, while the advancements in radar technology are important, it is certainly not impossible to counter stealth aircraft using the current technology. In an interesting writeup while explaining problems encountered by Israeli F-35I against Russian radars in Syria, defense analyst David Cenciotti, explains:

“In fact, tactical fighter-sized stealth aircraft are built to defeat radar operating at specific frequencies; usually high-frequency bands as C, X, Ku and S band where the radar accuracy is higher (in fact, the higher the frequency, the better is the accuracy of the radar system).

“However, once the frequency wavelength exceeds a certain threshold and causes a resonant effect, LO aircraft become increasingly detectable… Radars that operate at bands below 300 MHz (lower UHF, VHF and HF radars), such as the so-called Over The Horizon (OTH) radars, are believed to be particularly dangerous for stealth planes: although they are not much accurate (because lower frequency implies very large antenna and lower angle accuracy and angle resolution) they can spot stealth planes and be used to guide fighters equipped with IRST towards the direction the LO planes might be.”

China On-Course To Make 'Trillion Dollar' F-35 Jets Useless With Its Stealth Detecting Radars

China is all set to get radars capable of detecting stealth jets like US F-35 as well as drones and even low-flying cruise missiles.

eurasiantimes.com

S400 is aesa radar not VHF or UHF. This is an old technology of world war 2 era and the problem is with accuracy of radar. So a blip is shown for presence of aircraft but without accuracy to identify and target the aircraft.

The issue is resolved by processing it with high computing powers and algorithms and multiple 3 d antenas network.

 

[Ghost Hobbit]

china on course to loudly talking about radar that makes F35 useless
hey buddy @beijingwalker how come you aren't calling everything 'quantum' nowadays?

 

[redtom]

That means China's stealth planes are useless before even being put into production.

What does it matter?If there is one weapon that makes all weapons ineffective, then China will invent it.Peace is the greatest human right.We are different from the Americans.

 

[Oldman1]

What does it matter?If there is one weapon that makes all weapons ineffective, then China will invent it.Peace is the greatest human right.We are different from the Americans.

 

[redtom]

Sorry, I forgot you're American.Peace means not shooting people, not bombing people.

 

[Oldman1]

Sorry, I forgot you're American.Peace means not shooting people, not bombing people.

Ooooh so its an American thing now. Gotcha.

 

[Bilal.]

No wonder US is going back to non-stealthy 4.5 gen aircraft because stealth has been made pretty much useless.

 

[The Accountant]

What does it matter?If there is one weapon that makes all weapons ineffective, then China will invent it.Peace is the greatest human right.We are different from the Americans.

So do u really think that USA is not attempting to create anti stealth radar ?

Would do u think how weapon system works? Isnt all weapon system is all about economics ?

For example what is Anti aircraft missile? In principle it is also an unmanned short legged aircraft with cost much lower than the aircraft it is targeting so it is feasible to make missiles.

Similarly why do u think cruise missiles are used then drone ? Because they deliver much higher power at much lower cost whereas sending drone to a well protected area which has power to take drone down can be much more costly ?

Similarly USA got a trillion dollar stealth aircraft package. Now if with few billion dollars investment the edge can be taken down then why not to do that ? Even if this cost 100 billion dollars to establish an air defence network to target stealth than still it will be a fraction of cost of f22 and f35 program. So it is wise for china to invest 100 billion dollars but similarly all the countries can do that? Can taiwan do that? Can usa put anti stealth radar on hundreds of it bases around the world ?

Bottom line is anti stealth radar are very much possible. However how soon everyone can adopt this system is a question mark. PEven china cannot cover 100 percent of its mainland with this tech in next 10 years. There will always be a gap.

Military technology invention is one thing. Deployment is another thing.

So for usa it might become difficult to intrude into highly protected sensitive air space of china through stealth aircraft but they can still get into other areas or target ships that are not likely to get this tech soon.

On the other hand china cannot phase out its current radar system in year as these systems have planned lifes of decades therefore it might take a couple of decade to make its complete air space (including ships) to able to incorporate new tech and hence making stealth aircraft loosing its edge.

It is also important to note that both countries are in continuos r&d mode so may be in a decade time a new tech appear with some new concept which make all radars useless and then the country need to invest in counter that new tech. This will keep on happening. New tech new strategies and nee counter strategies unless one of the country get economically crippled as it is always about economy. Only economically powerful country can get into this race.

 

[redtom]

So do u really think that USA is not attempting to create anti stealth radar ?

Would do u think how weapon system works? Isnt all weapon system is all about economics ?

For example what is Anti aircraft missile? In principle it is also an unmanned short legged aircraft with cost much lower than the aircraft it is targeting so it is feasible to make missiles.

Similarly why do u think cruise missiles are used then drone ? Because they deliver much higher power at much lower cost whereas sending drone to a well protected area which has power to take drone down can be much more costly ?

Similarly USA got a trillion dollar stealth aircraft package. Now if with few billion dollars investment the edge can be taken down then why not to do that ? Even if this cost 100 billion dollars to establish an air defence network to target stealth than still it will be a fraction of cost of f22 and f35 program. So it is wise for china to invest 100 billion dollars but similarly all the countries can do that? Can taiwan do that? Can usa put anti stealth radar on hundreds of it bases around the world ?

Bottom line is anti stealth radar are very much possible. However how soon everyone can adopt this system is a question mark. PEven china cannot cover 100 percent of its mainland with this tech in next 10 years. There will always be a gap.

Military technology invention is one thing. Deployment is another thing.

So for usa it might become difficult to intrude into highly protected sensitive air space of china through stealth aircraft but they can still get into other areas or target ships that are not likely to get this tech soon.

On the other hand china cannot phase out its current radar system in year as these systems have planned lifes of decades therefore it might take a couple of decade to make its complete air space (including ships) to able to incorporate new tech and hence making stealth aircraft loosing its edge.

It is also important to note that both countries are in continuos r&d mode so may be in a decade time a new tech appear with some new concept which make all radars useless and then the country need to invest in counter that new tech. This will keep on happening. New tech new strategies and nee counter strategies unless one of the country get economically crippled as it is always about economy. Only economically powerful country can get into this race.

I was just responding to his stupidity.
China's stealth fighters are useless if China builds anti-stealth radars.Then the US building an anti-missile system will make the US missiles useless.What a stupid thing to say.

 

[IblinI]

So do u really think that USA is not attempting to create anti stealth radar ?

Would do u think how weapon system works? Isnt all weapon system is all about economics ?

For example what is Anti aircraft missile? In principle it is also an unmanned short legged aircraft with cost much lower than the aircraft it is targeting so it is feasible to make missiles.

Similarly why do u think cruise missiles are used then drone ? Because they deliver much higher power at much lower cost whereas sending drone to a well protected area which has power to take drone down can be much more costly ?

Similarly USA got a trillion dollar stealth aircraft package. Now if with few billion dollars investment the edge can be taken down then why not to do that ? Even if this cost 100 billion dollars to establish an air defence network to target stealth than still it will be a fraction of cost of f22 and f35 program. So it is wise for china to invest 100 billion dollars but similarly all the countries can do that? Can taiwan do that? Can usa put anti stealth radar on hundreds of it bases around the world ?

Bottom line is anti stealth radar are very much possible. However how soon everyone can adopt this system is a question mark. PEven china cannot cover 100 percent of its mainland with this tech in next 10 years. There will always be a gap.

Military technology invention is one thing. Deployment is another thing.

So for usa it might become difficult to intrude into highly protected sensitive air space of china through stealth aircraft but they can still get into other areas or target ships that are not likely to get this tech soon.

On the other hand china cannot phase out its current radar system in year as these systems have planned lifes of decades therefore it might take a couple of decade to make its complete air space (including ships) to able to incorporate new tech and hence making stealth aircraft loosing its edge.

It is also important to note that both countries are in continuos r&d mode so may be in a decade time a new tech appear with some new concept which make all radars useless and then the country need to invest in counter that new tech. This will keep on happening. New tech new strategies and nee counter strategies unless one of the country get economically crippled as it is always about economy. Only economically powerful country can get into this race.

the spear and shield game will contiune..
tank and anti tank, stealth and anti stealth..

 

[The Accountant]

I was just responding to his stupidity.
China's stealth fighters are useless if China builds anti-stealth radars.Then the US building an anti-missile system will make the US missiles useless.What a stupid thing to say.

Sorry i miss read your post. U r right and the post u were was infact stupid.