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[bluesky]

I am guessing Tokyo in total has more than two dozen lines at this time. With interchanges of course.

My first visit to Tokyo was a revelation. Underneath the main streets and before you went down three four stories downstairs to the subways was a whole other network of underground malls and pathways, all squeaky clean. There is no way to tell these exist if one stands on the streets. Talking about the world trade center area.

Tokyo is a wonderful example of how to commercialize the area around the subway and metro stations.

I thought I could compile the number of subways, but I stopped it because the number is very large. Now, read the citation below. It says that the Subways carry only 22% of the passengers and the ground-level and overground systems serve 78% of the passengers.

It proves how large is their communications networks in Tokyo. You have to add with it the Bus service which is limited to bringing in train passengers to the railway stations from where the trains carry them to one Junction train station in the Yamate Line, a loop line.

This line then carries the passengers to their offices. This is certainly not Universal. Some trains from the suburbs may also take the office workers to the destinations.

"The Tokyo subway at 8.7 million daily passengers only represents 22% of Tokyo's 40 million daily rail passengers (see Transport in Greater Tokyo).[6] Other urban commuter rail systems include Keikyu Corporation (formerly the Keihin Electric Express Railway), Keio Corporation, Keisei Electric Railway, Odakyu Electric Railway, Seibu Railway, Tobu Railway and Tokyu Corporation".

 

[Bilal9]

I thought I could compile the number of subways, but I stopped it because the number is very large. Now, read the citation below. It says that the Subways carry only 22% of the passengers and the ground-level and overground systems serve 78% of the passengers.

It proves how large is their communications networks in Tokyo. You have to add with it the Bus service which is limited to bringing in train passengers to the railway stations from where the trains carry them to one Junction train station in the Yamate Line, a loop line.

This line then carries the passengers to their offices. This is certainly not Universal. Some trains from the suburbs may also take the office workers to the destinations.

"The Tokyo subway at 8.7 million daily passengers only represents 22% of Tokyo's 40 million daily rail passengers (see Transport in Greater Tokyo).[6] Other urban commuter rail systems include Keikyu Corporation (formerly the Keihin Electric Express Railway), Keio Corporation, Keisei Electric Railway, Odakyu Electric Railway, Seibu Railway, Tobu Railway and Tokyu Corporation".

Wonderful links, I will chew through these - this weekend....Thanks @bluesky bhai.

 

[bluesky]

Wonderful links, I will chew through these - this weekend....Thanks @bluesky bhai.

By reading my earlier post one may think only Tokyo people ride the underground trains. This is not true. The nighttime Tokyo population is about 10 million and the daytime is 20 million or more.

It means that another 10 million people come to Tokyo from the Prefectures like Saitama, Kanagawa and Chiba by using mid-distance trains that have been built on or above the ground, and not underground.

A loop line called Yamate Line is the only train on the ground that moves within Tokyo. There are another few but they transport people from outside of Tokyo. These are usually mid-distance trains.

 

[Bilal9]

By reading my earlier post it seems I meant only Tokyo people ride the underground trains. This is not true. The nighttime Tokyo population is about 10 million and the daytime is 20 million or more.

It means that another 10 million people come to Tokyo from the Prefectures like Saitama, Kanagawa and Chiba by using mid-distance trains that have been built on or above the ground, and not underground.

A loop line called Yamate Line is the only train on the ground that moves within Tokyo. There are another few but they transport people from outside of Tokyo. These are usually mid-distance trains.

Yes @bluesky bhai. I know about the "commuter" mid-distance trains (in Japan and also US).

LA public transport is also built like this (as are most other large cities), with a core underground metro radiating out in different directions (within LA county limits) and going over-ground after passing central CBD (and consisting of loop underground metro lines in some cases), while heavier commuter rail from suburban locations (surrounding prefectures for Japan or counties in the US case) connect the core metro station(s).

In LA, metro electrified rail is just like Dhaka is building, but unlike and like Dhaka, mostly underground in the CBD core, sometimes on viaducts outside the core and unlike Dhaka, sometimes also on ground, following the freeways.

Los Angeles Metro Rail - Wikipedia

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The difference with Japan is that Commuter rail (unlike Metro downtown lines) in the US connecting the suburbs is much heavier duty with dual level (bi-level) cars and is locomotive drawn, unlike Japan, which I understand is mostly electric and sometimes diesel railcars. LA metro or METROLINK are not as sophisticated as Japanese system (bullet trains etc.) however most people commute in LA using their own cars on freeways, much more so than other areas in the East Coast of the US.

Here is the suburban rail in the LA area operated by Metrolink (suburban commuter rail line operated by diesel locomotives), this city (San Clemente in Orange County) is close to the border of San Diego County. This is the extent to which Metrolink runs, which connects at the border of San Diego County with San Diego COASTER COMMUTER RAIL (see second picture below)

 

[bluesky]

Yes @bluesky bhai. I know about the "commuter" mid-distance trains (in Japan and also US).

LA public transport is also built like this (as are most other large cities), with a core underground metro radiating out in different directions (within LA county limits) and going over-ground after passing central CBD (and consisting of loop underground metro lines in some cases), while heavier commuter rail from suburban locations (surrounding prefectures for Japan or counties in the US case) connect the core metro station(s).

In LA, metro electrified rail is just like Dhaka is building, but unlike and like Dhaka, mostly underground in the CBD core, sometimes on viaducts outside the core and unlike Dhaka, sometimes also on ground, following the freeways.

Los Angeles Metro Rail - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The difference with Japan is that Commuter rail (unlike Metro downtown lines) in the US connecting the suburbs is much heavier duty with dual level (bi-level) cars and is locomotive drawn, unlike Japan, which I understand is mostly electric and sometimes diesel railcars. LA metro or METROLINK are not as sophisticated as Japanese system (bullet trains etc.) however most people commute in LA using their own cars on freeways, much more so than other areas in the East Coast of the US.

Here is the suburban rail in the LA area operated by Metrolink (suburban commuter rail line operated by diesel locomotives), this city (San Clemente in Orange County) is close to the border of San Diego County. This is the extent to which Metrolink runs, which connects at the border of San Diego County with San Diego COASTER COMMUTER RAIL (see second picture below)

Thanks for the input on the US mid-distance commuting train system. America is too large a country and I understand it may not be cost-efficient like it is in densely populated Tokyo/ Japan.

People there usually use cars as the mode of transport to their workplaces. So, is the trains subsidized by the Federal/ other govt? Even if the train coaches are full of commuters but the frequencies of trains in a single 10-hour day is not that high, it may be difficult to break even.

Japanese politicians/ bureaucrats from the very beginning fully understood that the country without being bestowed with natural resources would be impossible to industrialize without foreign trades.

Japan needed overseas markets, and industries built in scattered places would not be cost-effective. So, they started building industries near (not very near, though) the ports. And the main ports are Tokyo, Yokohama, Nagoya, and Osaka.

Every other activity had to fall in line with this approach. This is why these cities and the nearby areas are densely populated. And this is one reason that the train operations can break even here.

 

[Bilal9]

Thanks for the input on the US mid-distance commuting train system. America is too large a country and I understand it may not be cost-efficient like it is in densely populated Tokyo/ Japan.

People there usually use cars as the mode of transport to their workplaces. So, is the trains subsidized by the Federal/ other govt? Even if the train coaches are full of commuters but the frequencies of trains in a single 10-hour day is not that high, it may be difficult to break even.

Japanese politicians/ bureaucrats from the very beginning fully understood that the country without being bestowed with natural resources would be impossible to industrialize without foreign trades.

Japan needed overseas markets, and industries built in scattered places would not be cost-effective. So, they started building industries near (not very near, though) the ports. And the main ports are Tokyo, Yokohama, Nagoya, and Osaka.

Every other activity had to fall in line with this approach. This is why these cities and the nearby areas are densely populated. And this is one reason that the train operations can break even here.

People in urban areas in California are besotted with Car culture. They love driving and taking care of their 'rides'. A California car is not ideal unless it is a mirror-polished spotless vehicle, inside and out. Especially if it is a luxury vehicle. The standards are high.

Especially California blondes driving cabriolet convertible open-top vehicles is an iconic emblem of lifestyle in Southern California that is known nationwide.

Southern Californians like the freedom that using cars and freeways provide.

So it is no surprise that commuter railways and subways/metros were not popular in LA initially. For the first few years riding the two lines of the LA underground metro was free, and later for another year it was on honor basis (passengers were trusted to have tickets, they were not checked). Later ticket checking was introduced. You can see with my links that lately the metro has introduced many lines, and is also currently connecting with LAX (not finished).

For many years - the metro operated at a loss, but there are enough poor people in LA riding the metro that it eventually became profitable but only marginally. Upper middle class or Upper class folks (Lawyers, Accountants, Office Managers) hardly ride the metro, unless it is too convenient near their office locations.

Story is different for commuter rail in LA (Metrolink or SCRRA i.e. Southern California Regional Rail Authority officially) because only upper middle class folks live in expensive suburban locations. Metrolink is therefore a way for upper middle class to avoid Freeway jams and gridlock. As befits the clientele, the railcars have padded seats far better than any metro plastic seat, and the ride is quiet and smooth. None of the trains in LA run at very high speeds, 90 MPH is maximum speed, avg. is around 40 MPH with stops included.

The five county areas and govt. funded Metrolink together to reduce the pressure on the freeways.

Metrolink (California) - Wikipedia

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However for the 40 mile mid-distance commute from the many county areas the ticket price is rather high (around $20 each way per trip) - and this is the subsidized fare! So poor people cannot use these trains, they are for middle and upper middle class folks only.

With Gas exceeding $5 a Gallon (4 litres) - I am certain we will see more ridership on the commuter trains, even if fares go up a bit.

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