China now our top university partner

[ChinaToday]

China has overtaken the United States as Australia's biggest "knowledge partner" for the first time.

A Universities Australia study of the links institutions here have with those overseas found the connections with China have increased by 72 per cent since 2003.

With 885 university agreements with Chinese institutions now, that country overtook the US (with 876 links) as Australia's leading partner.

The study found Australian universities continued to strongly pursue partnerships around the globe, with a 28 per cent jump in formal agreements since 2008.

The survey looked at academic or research collaborations, student and staff exchanges, and overseas study programs.

It found Australian institutions had 7123 of those links with counterparts in more than 100 other countries.

In China, almost nine in 10 agreements included academic or research collaborations.

Almost half included staff exchanges while a quarter incorporated student exchanges.

"These figures show that Australian universities are leading the way when it comes to capitalising on the opportunities of the Asian century," Universities Australia chief executive Belinda Robinson said on Monday.

"The Asian Century White Paper called for universities to have at least one major partner in Asia - this report shows that we remain ahead of the pack with over 2800 agreements in place."

Tertiary Education Minister Chris Evans said it was an impressive achievement of which Australian universities should be proud.

"China has been Australia's largest trading partner since 2009 and this year became Australia's most significant knowledge partner," he told the Australia-China University Leaders' Forum on Canberra on Monday.

He said the government's next priority was to further higher education partnerships in China, including encouraging more two-way flow of students between the countries.

China now our top university partner

 

[Kompromat]

You go to Australia for higher education only to be milked,and abused in more ways than one, with exception of only a few universities.

 

[jhungary]

probably due to the fact that Chinese Student is the top milk cow for Aussie University, there are more Chinese in any Aussie University than any other national, sometime even more than Australian.

I was fighting with 10 Chinese to get in my full fee place in my University in Australia and i am an Australian Citizen.

Too bad i did not have enough marks to get HECS place.

 

[Kompromat]

probably due to the fact that Chinese Student is the top milk cow for Aussie University, there are more Chinese in any Aussie University than any other national, sometime even more than Australian.

I was fighting with 10 Chinese to get in my full fee place in my University in Australia and i am an Australian Citizen.

Too bad i did not have enough marks to get HECS place.

Because thy pay around, 25-35 thousand Australian dollars a year in tuition fees [Speak of Milking]. Without realizing what lies ahead.

 

[jhungary]

Because thy pay around, 25-35 thousand Australian dollars a year in tuition fees [Speak of Milking]. Without realizing what lies ahead.

Well, education is one big part of Australian Economic for very long, you are talking about a system where a local college rather take a Oversea student rather giving them to their own people. Why? Because you need to pya upfront when you are oversea and you pay thru HECS-HELP or FEE-HELP and the college did not get a dime before you start paying off the loan, and when will you start paying a loan? When you got a job and pay tax.

So, the problem is, you want to get the 20 grand now? Or you want to wait until a few years later? And do remember, if you do not work or work oversea, you don't even need to pay the loan back...

 

[Kompromat]

Well, education is one big part of Australian Economic for very long, you are talking about a system where a local college rather take a Oversea student rather giving them to their own people. Why? Because you need to pya upfront when you are oversea and you pay thru HECS-HELP or FEE-HELP and the college did not get a dime before you start paying off the loan, and when will you start paying a loan? When you got a job and pay tax.

So, the problem is, you want to get the 20 grand now? Or you want to wait until a few years later? And do remember, if you do not work or work oversea, you don't even need to pay the loan back...

I am aware of that, having said that. Australian job market is deeply based on "links", its about who you know not what you know, contrary to the US melting pot of 70s-80s-and 90s. When you pay a 100 grand of your parents hard earned cash, invest 4 years of your precious time and then find out that there is a good possibility that in some quarters they will offer you work according to your name, its pretty damn saddening.

Just, find out the demographic balance of Western Australia's multi billion dollar mining industry [The engine of growth for Australian economy]. It speaks for itself. Here you get work after graduation IF you have work experience during studies - You get work experience through industry placement and vacation work-- to get vacation work you need to be an Australian resident [Which again is different for people with non English background].

So you go to Australia, study your arse off, pay around 120-30 grand, invest 4 years only to find out that since you were not allowed to be placed in the industry because its reserved for the locals only, you may not have run all of your employability chances dry but you ARE sitting at the bottom of the list because you didn't get work with all of your brilliance and knowledge. Then people run for other countries or wait around for many years to have their chances while doing odd jobs, while your friends who weren't as bright as you earn six figures.

 

[AADHAAR]

poor chinatoday.. you've badly derailed his original intent behind one more of his "hail china" threads.

 

[jhungary]

I am aware of that, having said that. Australian job market is deeply based on "links", its about who you know not what you know, contrary to the US melting pot of 70s-80s-and 90s. When you pay a 100 grand of your parents hard earned cash, invest 4 years of your precious time and then find out that there is a good possibility that in some quarters they will offer you work according to your name, its pretty damn saddening.

Just, find out the demographic balance of Western Australia's multi billion dollar mining industry [The engine of growth for Australian economy]. It speaks for itself. Here you get work after graduation IF you have work experience during studies - You get work experience through industry placement and vacation work-- to get vacation work you need to be an Australian resident [Which again is different for people with non English background].

So you go to Australia, study your arse off, pay around 120-30 grand, invest 4 years only to find out that since you were not allowed to be placed in the industry because its reserved for the locals only, you may not have run all of your employability chances dry but you ARE sitting at the bottom of the list because you didn't get work with all of your brilliance and knowledge. Then people run for other countries or wait around for many years to have their chances while doing odd jobs, while your friends who weren't as bright as you earn six figures.

This have something to do with the Australian Immigration System.

Let use me as an example. I am currently studying in Sydney for a Master of Inernational Business Degree under Julia Money (FEE_HELP) the problem i got is i need to beat 9 or 10 Chinese Post Grad applicant to the same space who hold a Chinese or even Australian Degree.

The problem is, for me, i do not have a 20 hours work restriction, i can work my arse off and while studying but for any international student, you got a 20 hours a week work permit which would not be enough to cover any "Work Experience" or "Industrial placement" for any normal circumstance.

But the problem actually begin for Oversea Student when they graduate. Unlike the good old days, where every average jack and joe can get an Permanent Resident Visa after they graduate, once after you spend about 100 grand Australian Dollar, they give you a free visa to settle in Australia. But this has changed in 2010 when the Federal Government say no more. The thing is, while you need a job offer to stay in Australia, but usually a job offer come with a requirment that you must be a permanent resident.......Which is self-conflicting.

So, what Australian have at the moment is a F'up system where many International Student want to get education in Australia, but upon spending their parent hard earn cash they are automatically required to go back to where they are from, what they done is, they took away the spot that suppose to go to a local student, but without staying (As they cannot) to help out the Industrial Sector. Where you got an average joe who got refused to higher Education because of the international student.

And most undergrad university degree in Australia are 3 years degree, only some Engineering degree are 4 years

 

[Kompromat]

This have something to do with the Australian Immigration System.

Let use me as an example. I am currently studying in Sydney for a Master of Inernational Business Degree under Julia Money (FEE_HELP) the problem i got is i need to beat 9 or 10 Chinese Post Grad applicant to the same space who hold a Chinese or even Australian Degree.

The problem is, for me, i do not have a 20 hours work restriction, i can work my arse off and while studying but for any international student, you got a 20 hours a week work permit which would be enough to cover any "Work Experience" or "Industrial placement" for any normal circumstance.

But the problem actually begin for Oversea Student when they graduate. Unlike the good old days, where every average jack and joe can get an Permanent Resident Visa after they graduate, once after you spend about 100 grand Australian Dollar, they give you a free visa to settle in Australia. But this has changed in 2010 when the Federal Government say no more. The thing is, while you need a job offer to stay in Australia, but usually a job offer come with a requirment that you must be a permanent resident.......Which is self-conflicting.

So, what Australian have at the moment is a F'up system where many International Student want to get education in Australia, but upon spending their parent hard earn cash they are automatically required to go back to where they are from, what they done is, they took away the spot that suppose to go to a local student, but without staying (As they cannot) to help out the Industrial Sector. Where you got an average joe who got refused to higher Education because of the international student.

And most undergrad university degree in Australia are 3 years degree, only some Engineering degree are 4 years

Its a perfect interpretation of "milking" students from other countries who know nothing about what they are walking into.A basic trash Australian university with zero international ranking charges as much as Washington University, and all they care about is cash not the quality of education. Australia has known nothing called a research eco system like the US has.Apart from, cancer research and marine sciences research both of whom are generated out of necessity because every 4th Australian generates cancer at some stage in his/her life, and that Australia has a large biodiversity area to protect.

As an accountant with 4 years of undergraduate, you may get paid around 45-50K a year, half of which will only cover your rent and food for a year while a damn truck driver or a sparky in resource sector gets paid 6 figures. And this is the same for Australians too, what would you do when the state system itself systematically discourages white collar intellectual class by paying them half of what a truck diver gets paid, -- why study ?

Why not, just get a few tickets, do an apprenticeship, get paid well, get drunk on the weekend, drive an SS- watch footy, go to sleep and do it all over again? - As for internationals, they are no where close of being equal, and some internationals [depending on their race, language and culture] are more equal than others... its just a fact and pretty damn right one.

 

[retaxis]

I know for a fact white collar workers always get paid better then blue collar workers it just depends on the industry. Accounting/business is one of the lowest industries in Australia (anyone can be accepted into university to study accounting) and its an easy 3 year undergrad degree. Take into account degrees like accounting, business etc has no placement aka work experience plus every 2 in 3 international chinese student is studying accounting, job prospects are understandably low.

Take health care jobs like physiotherapy, occupational therapy, dietician, speech pathology etc and the job prospects are much higher because international students are usually not allowed to study the master programs which we are allowed to also you must satisfy 1000+ hours of placement experience aka work experience. Plus demand is higher due to lack of qualified people in the industry so the starting wages and work conditions would be better than standard degrees in management, business, finance, accounting, arts etc.

 

[jhungary]

Its a perfect interpretation of "milking" students from other countries who know nothing about what they are walking into.

[trunkated for being too long]

its just a fact and pretty damn right one.

Well, the thing is, the reason why Australian School align to US or sought after US connection is so that Australian Student can study in the US and their qualification still count. The reason for Close tie to China is not the same, they were to link Chinese education system so Chinese student can do their Higher Education in Oz. I do agree Oz do not have a good research (Programs?) or facilities and is not generally a good place to do research, that's why our guy headed to the US for that.

The government should increase funding to University so the can charge less and get put in more, the problem is what the education system in Australia heading now is to "Milk" as much from oversea student as possible, you see, there are a about 50% international student rate in any Australian University at all level and what they are paying is cold hard cash.

I don't know about quality of education in Australia. Generally the crappier the university you got, the cheaper the fee you have, Uni like UNSW or ANU charged about 30 Grand a year and they are both Top 50 or even top 30 uni in the world. Some crappier uni like Australian Catholic Uni or University of Western Sydney charge about 18-20G per year, consider a lot cheaper, but still considered not attainable.

I know for a fact white collar workers always get paid better then blue collar workers it just depends on the industry. Accounting/business is one of the lowest industries in Australia (anyone can be accepted into university to study accounting) and its an easy 3 year undergrad degree. Take into account degrees like accounting, business etc has no placement aka work experience plus every 2 in 3 international chinese student is studying accounting, job prospects are understandably low.

Take health care jobs like physiotherapy, occupational therapy, dietician, speech pathology etc and the job prospects are much higher because international students are usually not allowed to study the master programs which we are allowed to also you must satisfy 1000+ hours of placement experience aka work experience. Plus demand is higher due to lack of qualified people in the industry so the starting wages and work conditions would be better than standard degrees in management, business, finance, accounting, arts etc.

Actually, depend on what line of Blue Collar work and what line of White collar work you are talking about, it may be different.

I know a cable layer who finished Cert 4 and now earning 6 figure for laying cable for telstra. They earn 6 figure because their work bring them to odd hours of the day (They work from mid-night to early morning) so they got pay double or even triple of what normal blue collar worker earned. (Say a builder)

Thing is, you cannot do accounting unless you got your CPA, otherwise you are just a clerk and they are the lease welcomed job in the world, you get pay crap and people treat you like crap. Even if you got your CPA or ICAA or NIA, at beast you earn about 60-70G per year.

With the health care professional, they are generally lacking even with high salary package, as they are world competitive job, and most people finished a medical healthcare degree (International or Local) will generally move on to either US or where they came from to practice medicine. Also counting the fact that a Medical degree is hard to start with, but funny enough most newly qualified doctor is actually from oversea rather than from locally. You see about 2 out of 3 faces is foreign in Australian Medical schools.

 

[xdrive]

You go to Australia for higher education only to be milked,and abused in more ways than one, with exception of only a few universities.

You seem to pop up in every thread regarding Australia. Did you have a bad experience?

I was fighting with 10 Chinese to get in my full fee place in my University in Australia and i am an Australian Citizen.

I thought you were Australian. You should probably change your flags to show that.

 

[Kompromat]

You seem to pop up in every thread regarding Australia. Did you have a bad experience?

Just exercising my right to free speech. And, whatever i said is based deep in facts, go figure.

I thought you were Australian. You should probably change your flags to show that.

You cant tell him, unless he wants to.

 

[shuttler]

I dont regard this as too juicy a partnership for China.

Country 2005 submission..% total..Accept Rate 2010 Submissions..% total..Accept Rate Changes in Submissions..% total..Accept Rate

China 19,420..6.1%..26.2% 113,453..11.3%..26.8% 94,033..5.1%..0.6%

Oz 7,842..2.5%..49.8% 29,147 ..2.9%..46.8% 21,305..0.4%.. -3.1%

China is so far ahead of Australia in production of academic papers. the above was the data extracted from Thomson Reuters which analysed the trend of submission and acceptance rate of academic papers in 30 countries between 2005 and 2010. I dont think we are short of funding or expertise.

The co-operation for China with Australia probably may only benefit China in enhancing the acceptance rate by having co-authorship with the Australian academics.

 

[jhungary]

You seem to pop up in every thread regarding Australia. Did you have a bad experience?



I thought you were Australian. You should probably change your flags to show that.

I am a Swedish-Chinese-Australian-American and as i can only put 2 flags here i choose sweden flag because my wife and i born in America.

For some reason i hold or held 5 passports and i am studying in Australia at the moment. If i decided to settle back in Australia, i will probably change the flag....

But i don't actually see that coming as if i stay in Australia i need to pay off my FEE-HELP if i work, unless i don't work but what i'm gonna do if i stay in Australia and don't work.....It's get kinda boring....

Just exercising my right to free speech. And, whatever i said is based deep in facts, go figure.



You cant tell him, unless he wants to.

lol.he can tell me, i would just ignore him if i don't wanted to

I dont regard this as too juicy a partnership for China.

Country 2005 submission..% total..Accept Rate 2010 Submissions..% total..Accept Rate Changes in Submissions..% total..Accept Rate

China 19,420..6.1%..26.2% 113,453..11.3%..26.8% 94,033..5.1%..0.6%

Oz 7,842..2.5%..49.8% 29,147 ..2.9%..46.8% 21,305..0.4%.. -3.1%

China is so far ahead of Australia in production of academic papers. the above was the data extracted from Thomson Reuters which analysed the trend of submission and acceptance rate of academic papers in 30 countries between 2005 and 2010. I dont think we are short of funding or expertise.

The co-operation for China with Australia probably may only benefit China in enhancing the acceptance rate by having co-authorship with the Australian academics.

Well, you look at the data differently, there will not be any more Australian going to China for Uni, rather the other way around as we need the Chinese money. From then to now, only Aussies who studying Chinese History or the Language of China will decided to exchange or actually finish their study in China, but Chinese Student are everywhere in every campus from Engineering to Accounting to Hospitality.

So yeah, China are losing money over this as Chinese Student will be easier to finish their degree in Australia and with ever-growing tuition fee....