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China lost the golden chance to spread its influence to EU by being stingy

Comparing apple to grapes here.

If someday China was culturally, militarily and economically comparable to the US after WWII, she may decide to make some donations.

Keep in mind that China did play a stabilizing influence during the 97 asian financial crisis. So I guess they are doing their part, just in different regions.

If we throw money now, we'll be fools. Nobody will be thankful of us, because they will think they can use us as tools.
 
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This aid from the federal banks of the US, Japan and Switzerland will just give us a little more time. It will not save us, if the EU governments don't act decisively. It's the mistakes of our making and we should get out of it by ourselves.
 
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If we throw money now, we'll be fools. Nobody will be thankful of us, because they will think they can use us as tools.
This is exactly the Chinese way of thinking. I know this is the cultural norm in China to think and expect that everybody uses everybody else for one's own selfish personal gains, but that's not how Western countries think. You are supposed to help out anyone in trouble if you can and are able, without expecting anything in return. This is why charity work and donation is massive in the US where the billionaires offer to donate 90% of their wealth upon their death.

But the ones who receive help in the most needy times do remember the warm helping hand for generations, and this is how the US was able to build its influences across the globe.
 
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This is exactly the Chinese way of thinking. I know this is the cultural norm in China to think and expect that everybody uses everybody else for one's own selfish personal gains, but that's not how Western countries think. You are supposed to help out anyone in trouble if you can and are able, without expecting anything in return. This is why charity work and donation is massive in the US where the billionaires offer to donate 90% of their wealth upon their death.

But the ones who receive help in the most needy times do remember the warm helping hand for generations, and this is how the US was able to build its influences across the globe.

Wow, I didn' know that a Korean has become the spokesperson of all Western societies. Amazing!

Just FYI, your master the US used Saddam to fight Iran and dumped him, the same happened to the Mudjahedin in Afghanistan and lastly Mubarak in Egypt.

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@chinatoday Gotter and lyrical are chinese. Specialy this lyrical. Am not against indians who talk bad about india (they have right. We live in democrasy) i my self hates congress and left partys but am against false flaggers who insult india in every post or majority posts....

So lyrical is a special Chinese and I'm not. I don't like this different treatment. All people are equal! :lol:
 
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@gotter you like treating people equaly?.... i mean come on.... Are you realy from germany?.... Didnt heard what markel said few months ago?.... i dont think you are chinese either.... The way you talk.... But am sure in few days you would be busted like other false flaggers.... i think there was one lady on PDF who can talk german.... So do learn speaking german language....
 
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This is exactly the Chinese way of thinking. I know this is the cultural norm in China to think and expect that everybody uses everybody else for one's own selfish personal gains, but that's not how Western countries think.

Actually, that is just your way of thinking.

You are supposed to help out anyone in trouble if you can and are able, without expecting anything in return. This is why charity work and donation is massive in the US where the billionaires offer to donate 90% of their wealth upon their death.

Governments are not charities, they have the responsibility to provide security, interests and wellbeing of their country men first. You among others are the one who regards most Chinese as dirt poor, so wouldn't it be a tad hypocritical to help out the west when there are still alot to take care of at home?

Is China in charge of Europe? Or is the european governments in charge of it? Do you swipe your credit card through the roof, then asking (no, expecting actually) others for charity? Failing that, do you say, hey! You just lost influence over me man?

But the ones who receive help in the most needy times do remember the warm helping hand for generations, and this is how the US was able to build its influences across the globe.

Right, their military, geographical advantage, economic might and government as well as conditions of the world after WWII plays absolutely no role, charity is the bomb.
 
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Götterdämmerung;2344272 said:
Err, whe are not out yet. The scheiß is long from over yet. How I wished this whole nightmare would just disappear. The latest news is the EFSF is not working as 500 billion is still missing. Is there anyone who has 500 billion to give us?

Exactly right.

Read the Australian article below which exposes this 'dead cat bounce' for what it is. Only suckers will jump into the market at this point.

winning the gratitude of the Europeans

How severe is your inferiority complex that you want to buy the Europeans' gratitude?

China has missed a chance to dilute a US-Europe relationship

If you think any amount of Chinese money was going to change the European attitudes, you are smoking some expensive stuff. The Western alliance is based on shared culture and history, not money. Even if the Europeans ever distance themselves from the US, they will prefer Russia over any Asian country.
 
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Denial ?

Look out of your well. The Japanese dont like you, the Viets specifically hate you, the SK loathe you, the Indians are suspicious about you, the Pinoys are becoming increasingly wary about you.

Do you think it's because of your 'peaceful' rise ?

That's fine we have Pakistan, Malaysia, Ukraine, Singapore, Indonesia, Iran, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Russia and France.

Database | Pew Global Attitudes Project
 
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@gotter you like treating people equaly?.... i mean come on.... Are you realy from germany?.... Didnt heard what markel said few months ago?.... i dont think you are chinese either.... The way you talk.... But am sure in few days you would be busted like other false flaggers.... i think there was one lady on PDF who can talk german.... So do learn speaking german language....

Oh yeah, call her and see how well she writes German! You know I write for a German magazine. :)

I didn't know that the German chancelor and I have the same personality. BTW I didn't vote for her.

I do treat all people the same if I don't know them. After knowing the person, I might decide not to become a friend depending on the character of the person. Maybe you are different because you come from a society that judges the people by caste.
 
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Crisis action launched for global finance system

The world's biggest central banks moved without warning to cut a key interest rate in a bid to halt the euro zone's crisis, unleashing a flood of money into financial markets.

The dramatic surge of funds sent financial markets soaring, with the Australian dollar erasing a month's losses in a matter of seconds to soar as high as $US1.033 US cents - for a gain of almost 3 US cents. Australian shares joined the powerful rally added as much as $33 billion in early trading today.

The central banks of the euro zone, Canada, Britain, Japan, United States and Switzerland acted in unison to make it cheaper for banks to borrow in emergencies.

The move is aimed to preventing a credit freeze taking hold that would see banks reluctant to lend to each other - and then to customers -as happened during the depths of the 2008-09 global financial crisis.

The central banks said they were engaging in "coordinated actions to enhance their capacity to provide liquidity support to the global financial system," according to the statement.

"The purpose of these actions is to ease strains in financial markets and thereby mitigate the effects of such strains on the supply of credit to households and businesses and so help foster economic activity," they added.

China, the nation which contributes most to global growth and is Australia's biggest export market, chimed in by cutting the amount of cash that its banks must set aside as reserves for the first time since 2008. That move alone may add about $53 billion to its financial system, according to investment bank UBS.

Markets surge

Global stock markets have rocketed on the central banks' actions. Shares in Europe added more than 4 per cent while Wall Street is trading on gains of more than 3 per cent.

Australian shares are having their best day in weeks, adding about 3 per cent in early trading, and paring this year's loss to about 11 per cent.

The Australian dollar, which snuck above parity with the greenback late on Tuesday but closed yesterday at 99.91 US cents, has jumped to as high as $US1.0334 in overnight trade, and recently traded at $US1.027.

Wall Street ended more than 4 per cent higher, with the Dow Jones Industrial Average posting its best day since March 2009. German stocks were up 5 percent with other European bourses higher by slightly less.

The euro also spiked on the foreign exchange markets, as traders sensed it could ease European banks' credit worries.

The gains, though, may be temporary unless further steps are taken to resolve Europe's sovereign debt load, analysts said.

“It’s supportive but not necessarily a game changer,” said Michelle Girard, senior US economist at RBS Securities Inc. in Stamford, Connecticut. “The impact is more psychological than anything else” as investors take heart from policy makers’ coordination, she said.

Commercial bank relief

The arrangement allows the central banks to lend dollars to commercial banks that might be finding it hard to borrow them directly from other banks and is aimed at easing tensions in the crucial interbank lending market.

The banks said they were not only reducing the interest rate on this operation by half a percentage point from December 5, but also extending it until February 1, 2013.

Bank of Japan Governor Masaaki Shirakawa said the move was aimed at giving markets "a sense of relief," but warned it was not enough on its own to solve Europe's fiscal woes.

"The European debt problem can't be solved by liquidity provisions alone," he told a press conference, according to Dow Jones Newswires.

"The step is meant to buy time for European countries to proceed with their fiscal and economic reform," he added.

French Finance Minister Francois Baroin hailed the move as "very positive", on the sidelines of a European Union meeting in Brussels.

Christian Schulz, a senior economist with Berenberg Bank, said the action could relieve serious strain on markets.

"As always in market panics with central bank action, the signal is more important than the actual size of the action," he said.

"While today's central bank action does not resolve the European sovereign debt crisis, it should ease the panic around European banks significantly and help preventing a devastating credit crunch."

The central banks also agreed to allow cash swap arrangements in any of the participating countries' currencies if market conditions require them.

"At present, there is no need to offer liquidity in non-domestic currencies other than the US dollar, but the central banks judge it prudent to make the necessary arrangements so that liquidity support operations could be put into place quickly should the need arise," they said.

This "will probably help banks to get necessary liquidity to run their domestic operations in a smooth way," an Italian trader told Dow Jones Newswires.

Such dollar operations were used to ease a credit crunch during the financial crisis of 2008-2009 and resumed in September in response to a dollar shortage among eurozone banks hit by the debt crisis.

However, Tom Levinson from ING bank said the onus was still on European leaders to come up with a solution to the debt crisis.
Unless the eurozone comes up with a "convincing answer" soon, "we would expect downward pressure on the euro to resume, with central banks forced to get ever more creative as their toolboxes are emptied," said the analyst.

AFP, Bloomberg with BusinessDay

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Notice two things:
-- Not one mention of incredible superpower India.
-- This is a short term attempt to change market psychology; the European fundamentals remain dire.
 
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Notice two things:
-- Not one mention of incredible superpower India.
-- This is a short term attempt to change market psychology; the European fundamentals remain dire.


Why should there be a mention of India ?? This is a european problem or did you miss that!
Master China didn't intervene in Europe as well if that is a consolation for you.

Anyways a good day at the desk, I m gonna get drunk YAY!!! :hang2:
 
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Bailing out Europe is Germany's responsibility, not China's. I would much prefer China purchasing assets instead of European bonds that might just default any moment. Too many Europeans live under entitlement not hard work, and that is not sustainable at all. I don't see how lending money to an alcoholic is gong to end up well. Germany has benefited the most from the Euro, because other countries simply could not compete with Germany without the capability of devaluing their own currency. Euro transformed Germany from a deficit country to a surplus one, and Germany does have enough ammo to save Europe.
 
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When India can come up with its own Huawei, ZTE, Haier, Lenovo, SMIC, Galanz, Midea or Shanghai Electric, let me know.

Götterdämmerung;2344306 said:
Where is the Indian equivalent of Huawei, Lenovo, Haier and ZTE? If you count the people of Hongkong and Taiwan as ethnically and culturally Chinese then India would look even worse.


"Six African countries (Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, Botswana, Mauritius, South Africa and Namibia) have per capita GDP higher than China. And China's per capita GDP is less than one-tenth of the US."

Put India at the place of China and the outcome would look pathetic.



Buddy...i keep telling you to use a SINGLE account to get your point across. You're not fooling anyone.
 
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Man thats a very bold comment from one who also manufacture cheap products take an example of AKASH a very good product for those who can't afford IPAD even I hate apple products y should I go for Apple IPAD when AKASH is available in market(although i dont have use of either)

And ur TV,mobile , Monitor even the keyboard through which u(Keyboard warrior) fire ur words might be made of China.

Even my monitor is made of China(Samsung) and damn it has a great display


so China thanks :china:

Sorry to say, If i see made in china, i will reject even it is cheap. Chinese products will come with out guaranty and warranty. If you found any Chinese product In my house, i will give you my house as gift. Just compare Chinese I phone and original I phone.
some one invest billions of dollors to develop a product and china with out any effort making xerox of that product.
 
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