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Analysis: China looks to break into Latin American market via Argentina
Richard D Fisher Jr, Washington, DC - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
10 February 2015


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Argentina could become a local marketer for China's VN1 APC. Source: Norinco
The 5 February communique that followed a summit meeting in Beijing between the leaders of China and Argentina may have affirmed a number of previously reported military programmes, but most have yet to produce contracts.

The programmes mentioned in the communique had previously been the subject of discussions under an Argentine-Chinese Joint Committee on Cooperation in the field of Defence, Technology, and Industry. In the naval sphere, those affirmed include the construction by China of a new icebreaker, new tugboats and new offshore patrol vessels. The latter are likely to be 1,800-ton P-18N corvettes, two of which reportedly will be built in China and up to three in Argentina.

Army programmes affirmed include the exchange of officers, construction of field hospitals, and the co-production in Argentina of Norinco 8x8 VN1 amphibious armoured personnel carriers (APCs). In a 5 February TV interview, Argentine Minister of Defence Augustin Rossi said Argentina intended to market the VN1 to other Latin countries. If this deal materialises it will likely mean the end of Argentina's interest in purchasing Brazil's VBTP-MR Guarani wheeled APC, a co-produced version of the IVECO Superav.

Not mentioned in the pre-summit reporting out of Argentina was the communique's announcement of a new "working group with a view to the incorporation by Argentina of Chinese designed fighter jets".

Argentine reports from the summit indicated discussions focused on the possible sale of 14 Chengdu J-10/FC-1 fighters built in China. Sources at the Fabrica Argentina de Aviones (Argentine Aircraft Factory, FAdeA) had previously told IHS Jane's of their interest in co-producing the FC-1, raising the prospect that it would also be marketed to other Latin countries.

However other Argentine sources note that for logistic continuity the Argentine Air Force prefers European designs such as used French Dassault Mirage 2000s or ex-Spanish Air Force Mirage F1 fighters, both the subject of recent discussions. These sources also note that the Argentine Air Force cannot afford the Chinese fighters unless they are funded under other commodity payment schemes.

Also of strategic significance for Argentina and China was a separate communique that outlined space co-operation. China will build and man a new space tracking and control station on a 200 hectare facility in the southern Argentine province of Neuquen.

For China this facility provides a vital deep southern hemisphere node for global ground-based tracking and control, which is needed to manage its growing satellite networks, manned space stations, and lunar programme. Argentine sources note that a crucial quid-pro-quo is that Buenos Aires will gain access to strategic information from China's formidable surveillance satellite constellation.

While uncertainties abound regarding the reality of Sino-Argentine military relations, especially given Argentina's questionable ability to pay for new equipment programmes outside of Chinese concessional loans funded by payments in commodities, ambitions point toward a deepening relationship.

China is now at least in discussions to sell Argentina new weapon systems for each of its armed services. While 100 or more APCs, up to five corvettes, or 14 new fighters may not significantly alter the balance of power with Argentina's neighbours or in regards to Argentina's ambitions to take the Falkland Islands (Malvinas), this could also mark the beginning for more substantive Chinese military exports.

This, combined with the prospect for strategic space co-operation, creates a possible shift in the balance of power in Latin America and increase China's military influence in the region. Furthermore, plans to transfer the means for Argentina to become a marketer of Norinco APCs, and potentially low-cost fighter aircraft, could give China its first significant military-commercial "beachhead" in Latin America.

Reports suggest that the defence elements of the 5 February communique have angered Brazil, which has ambitions to become a regional leader in military technology. Brazil has sought to outflank competitors through co-operative military deals with Argentina, such as FAdeA's production of parts for the new Embraer KC-390.

IHS experts will provide insight into the security, economic, energy and defence industrial implications of the changing situation in Asia Pacific at the IHS Government Executive Briefing in Canberra, Australia on 25 March 2015. Learn more and register to attend at ihs.com/CanberraBriefing
 
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FC-1 and J-10 aren't the same that you used "J-10/FC-1". J-10 is FC-20 whereas FC-1 is JF-17.
 
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FC-1 and J-10 aren't the same that you used "J-10/FC-1". J-10 is FC-20 whereas FC-1 is JF-17.

I read the original article(s) and I suppose the author(s) know the difference and the sale is possibly between the 2 types, FC-1 or J10.

Also, since NORINCO has already land-combat equipments sold to like Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador and Peru, it would be useful for all to setup industrial facilities in S America to provide support to these equipments.
 
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Venezuela ordered 24 Hongdu L15
Hongdu JL-8: Bolivia (6), Venezuela (27+9)
Hongdu CJ-6A: Ecuador (army aviation)

Since 1980, according to Sipri, CHina has transferred arms to: Bolivia, Ecuador, Guyana, Nicaragua, Peru and Venezuela. See SIPRI trade register


Recipient/ Year Year(s) No.
supplier (S) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments



Bolivia
S:
China 18 D-20 152mm Towed gun 1992 1992 18 Designation uncertain; possibly Type-66 version
36 M-30 122mm Towed gun 1992 1992-1993 (36) Type-54-1 version; probably Second-hand
(30) HN-5A Portable SAM (1995) 1995 (30)
(500) Red Arrow-8 Anti-tank missile (2003) 2003 (500)
6 K-8 Karakorum-8 Trainer/combat ac (2009) 2011 6 $58 m deal; K-8WB version
6 AS365/AS565 Panther Helicopter 2012 $113 m deal; H-425 (Z-9) version; delivery 2014

Ecuador
S:
China (72) HN-5A Portable SAM 1992 1994 (72) Deal incl also 30 launchers
(50) Red Arrow-8 Anti-tank missile (1993) 1994 (50)
2 BT-6 Trainer aircraft 2005 2006 2 Aid; BT-6/CJ-6 version
(1) YLC-18 Air search radar 2009 2010 1 Probably second-hand; loan as interim until delivery and integration of new YLC-2 and YLC-18 radars but new radar cancelled 2013
1 YLC-2 Air search radar 2009 2010 1 Probably second-hand; loan as interim until delivery and integration of new YLC-2 and YLC-18 radars but new radar cancelled 2013

Guyana
S:
China 1 Y-12 Light transport ac (2001) 2002 1

Nicaragua
S:
China (33) Type-63 107mm Towed MRL (1984) 1985 (33) Supplier could be North Korea

Peru
S:
China 6 Y-12 Light transport ac 1991 1991-1992 (6) Y-12-II version
(15) FN-6 Portable SAM 2009 2010 (15) $1.1 m deal
(10) QW-11 Portable SAM (2009) 2009 (10) QW-18 version
40 Type-90 122mm Self-propelled MRL 2013 $42 m deal; Type-90B version; selected but not yet ordered by end-2013

Venezuela
S:
China (3) JYL-1 Air search radar 2005 2006-2007 (3) Part of $150 m programme for military-civilian air-surveillance system
(7) JYL-1 Air search radar (2006) 2008-2009 (7)
(3) JY-11 Air search radar 2008 2010-2011 (3) JY-11B version
18 K-8 Karakorum-8 Trainer/combat ac 2008 2010 18
(100) PL-5E SRAAM (2008) 2010 (100) For K-8 trainer/combat aircraft
8 Y-8 Transport aircraft 2011 2012-2013 6 Y-8F-200W version; delivery 2012-2014
8 AS565S Panther ASW helicopter (2012) Z-9C version; delivery 2015
(18) SM-4 81mm Self-propelled mortar 2012
(18) SR-5 Self-propelled MRL (2012) Part of $500 m deal
. . WMZ-551 APC (2012) Part of $500 m deal; designation uncertain
. . ZBD-05 IFV (2012) Part of $500 m deal; designation uncertain; possibly incl AFSV version
(9) K-8 Karakorum-8 Trainer/combat ac (2013) Selected but probably not yet ordered by end-2013
 
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what ever Argentina get's they won't be getting much.
but knowing Argentina they're more worried about gringos than fixing internal problems.

congrats china you found a sucker. shame you couldn't snag some deals with Venezuela.
 
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Venezuela ordered 24 Hongdu L15
Hongdu JL-8: Bolivia (6), Venezuela (27+9)
Hongdu CJ-6A: Ecuador (army aviation)

Since 1980, according to Sipri, CHina has transferred arms to: Bolivia, Ecuador, Guyana, Nicaragua, Peru and Venezuela. See SIPRI trade register


Recipient/ Year Year(s) No.
supplier (S) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments



Bolivia
S:
China 18 D-20 152mm Towed gun 1992 1992 18 Designation uncertain; possibly Type-66 version
36 M-30 122mm Towed gun 1992 1992-1993 (36) Type-54-1 version; probably Second-hand
(30) HN-5A Portable SAM (1995) 1995 (30)
(500) Red Arrow-8 Anti-tank missile (2003) 2003 (500)
6 K-8 Karakorum-8 Trainer/combat ac (2009) 2011 6 $58 m deal; K-8WB version
6 AS365/AS565 Panther Helicopter 2012 $113 m deal; H-425 (Z-9) version; delivery 2014

Ecuador
S:
China (72) HN-5A Portable SAM 1992 1994 (72) Deal incl also 30 launchers
(50) Red Arrow-8 Anti-tank missile (1993) 1994 (50)
2 BT-6 Trainer aircraft 2005 2006 2 Aid; BT-6/CJ-6 version
(1) YLC-18 Air search radar 2009 2010 1 Probably second-hand; loan as interim until delivery and integration of new YLC-2 and YLC-18 radars but new radar cancelled 2013
1 YLC-2 Air search radar 2009 2010 1 Probably second-hand; loan as interim until delivery and integration of new YLC-2 and YLC-18 radars but new radar cancelled 2013

Guyana
S:
China 1 Y-12 Light transport ac (2001) 2002 1

Nicaragua
S:
China (33) Type-63 107mm Towed MRL (1984) 1985 (33) Supplier could be North Korea

Peru
S:
China 6 Y-12 Light transport ac 1991 1991-1992 (6) Y-12-II version
(15) FN-6 Portable SAM 2009 2010 (15) $1.1 m deal
(10) QW-11 Portable SAM (2009) 2009 (10) QW-18 version
40 Type-90 122mm Self-propelled MRL 2013 $42 m deal; Type-90B version; selected but not yet ordered by end-2013

Venezuela
S:
China (3) JYL-1 Air search radar 2005 2006-2007 (3) Part of $150 m programme for military-civilian air-surveillance system
(7) JYL-1 Air search radar (2006) 2008-2009 (7)
(3) JY-11 Air search radar 2008 2010-2011 (3) JY-11B version
18 K-8 Karakorum-8 Trainer/combat ac 2008 2010 18
(100) PL-5E SRAAM (2008) 2010 (100) For K-8 trainer/combat aircraft
8 Y-8 Transport aircraft 2011 2012-2013 6 Y-8F-200W version; delivery 2012-2014
8 AS565S Panther ASW helicopter (2012) Z-9C version; delivery 2015
(18) SM-4 81mm Self-propelled mortar 2012
(18) SR-5 Self-propelled MRL (2012) Part of $500 m deal
. . WMZ-551 APC (2012) Part of $500 m deal; designation uncertain
. . ZBD-05 IFV (2012) Part of $500 m deal; designation uncertain; possibly incl AFSV version
(9) K-8 Karakorum-8 Trainer/combat ac (2013) Selected but probably not yet ordered by end-2013

Wow very comprehensive, thanks ..... :tup::tup::tup:
 
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