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China-led Asian trade bloc pushes ahead as India drops out
Associated Press

NOVEMBER 4, 2019 — 10:10AM
NONTHABURI, Thailand — A 16-nation trade initiative backed by China is pushing ahead as India, facing fierce domestic opposition to its market-opening requirements, has dropped out.

Leaders of countries involved in the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership said Monday that they had resolved differences, but India said it was out. Seven years after talks began, the signing of a final deal was pushed back to next year.

India has balked at exposing its farmers and factories to more foreign competition, especially from China. It decided not to join the initiative because of an "inadequate protection against import surge," among a list of reasons the foreign ministry circulated after leaders met.

"India had significant issues of core interest that remain unresolved," Ministry of External Affairs East Secretary Vijay Thakur Singh said at a news conference late Monday.

She said the agreement was not "fair and balanced," and that Prime Minister Narendra Modi worried that it would pinch India's most vulnerable people.

The other RCEP members include the 10 nations belonging to the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, China, Japan, South Korea, Australia and New Zealand.

It does not include the United States, despite America's $1.9 trillion in trade with the region.

For years, world manufacturers have been boosting investment in and trade with Southeast Asia, a fast-growing and increasingly affluent market of 650 million people.

That trend has accelerated amid feuding between the U.S. and China over trade and technology, which has ramped up uncertainty as the two largest economies imposed billions of dollars' worth of punitive tariffs on each other's exports.

RCEP originally would have included about 3.6 billion people and encompassed about a third of world trade and global GDP.

"RCEP will significantly boost the region's future growth prospects and contribute positively to the global economy," said a statement issued after leaders met.

Many countries in Asia have forged free trade agreements in and outside the region, including a rival Pacific Rim trade initiative originally championed by the U.S., the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Eleven countries remain in that pact after President Donald Trump pulled out shortly after taking office. It does not include China.

India has lagged many countries in the region in opening its markets, and groups associated with the ruling nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party have staged scores of protests against participating in RCEP.

Among other concerns, Indian dairy farmers are worried about competition from New Zealand and Australian milk and cheese producers. Automakers fear imports from across the region. But overall the biggest fear is over a flood of manufactured goods from China.

http://www.startribune.com/china-led-asian-trade-bloc-pushes-ahead-as-india-steps-aside/564344922/
 
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FTA with China/Japan/Sk etc will destroy our local industry as their manufacturing capabilities are far superior than us. We already have a FTA with ASEAN which has proven to be a disaster for us.
Also some of our conditions werent acceptable to others like opening up service sector
 
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I think joining will force India to reform their farms and industry which they don't want for some reason.
 
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I think joining will force India to reform their farms and industry which they don't want for some reason.


Flooding Chinese product further destroying local manufacturing units... well no thanks... trade deal should benefit both sides.... shouldn't favor one country most...
 
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Flooding Chinese product further destroying local manufacturing units... well no thanks... trade deal should benefit both sides.... shouldn't favor one country most...
Chinese market used to be flooded with Japanese products while Chinese domestic products were nowhere to be seen. Shielding yourself from competition will hold you helplessly incompetitive forever.
 
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Chinese market used to be flooded with Japanese products while Chinese domestic products were nowhere to be seen. Shielding yourself from competition will hold you helplessly incompetitive forever.



That's a different story ... you don't have such free trade deal with largest manufacturing country in the world ...
 
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That's a different story ... you don't have such free trade deal with largest manufacturing country in the world ...
Japan was indeed the largest manufacturing country in the world for consumer products back then.

You need to know your rivals to beat them, a decade ago or so Chinese cellphones were unheard of even in China, nokia, ericsson, motorola... dominated the Chinese market, a decade passed now and Chinese phone markers Huawei, Xiaomi, Oppo..emerged and killed all those giants. Challenges can only make you stronger.
 
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Shielding yourself from competition will hold you helplessly incompetitive forever.
Good point, however India needs to improve its domestic sectors to be able to compete internationally.

At present, in a price sensitive market such as India, a FTA will put undue pressure on our domestic producers.

This is a stalling tactic for the time being, we need to improve upto international standards, as being uncompititive for extended duration will hurt us more.

I'd wager PM Modi will stick to this stand untill his reforms start to show effects and after that GoI may reconsider when it's core concerns are better addressed.
 
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Oh well. Big countries usually tend to cave in to domestic interest groups and drag their feet on reform.

 
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Good point, however India needs to improve its domestic sectors to be able to compete internationally.

At present, in a price sensitive market such as India, a FTA will put undue pressure on our domestic producers.

This is a stalling tactic for the time being, we need to improve upto international standards, as being uncompititive for extended duration will hurt us more.

I'd wager PM Modi will stick to this stand untill his reforms start to show effects and after that GoI may reconsider when it's core concerns are better addressed.

No its not a good point by that guy and this response by you just falls into his little trap.

The major point is if you want access to X% of our market, you also need to open up X% of your market.

When you only want certain sectors where you hold competitive advantage (mostly through capex inertia and forex stockpile subsidy) opened in another country, but you dont open the sectors where they hold competitive advantage (namely pharma and IT)...I'm sorry but no deal.

It is just better to conduct a better FTA with ASEAN alone, and that will come up next year...and ASEAN now better understands what India's core position is on this stuff so no need to waste bunch of time negotiating from scratch.

They at least will not play these games and then make it as though they are so open and you are the one doing all the shielding....not nearly as much at least.

Till then we need to continue with more and more reforms and continue to attract capital investment from the main technology providers in the West. They have actually opened up their markets to where we have competitive advantage....and don't play manipulative exchange rate shenanigans to distort their pricing (to protect labour inelasticity and threats of revolution and all that chain of events).
 
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No its not a good point by that guy and this response by you just falls into his little trap.

The major point is if you want access to X% of our market, you also need to open up X% of your market.

When you only want certain sectors where you hold competitive advantage (mostly through capex inertia and forex stockpile subsidy) opened in another country, but you dont open the sectors where they hold competitive advantage (namely pharma and IT)...I'm sorry but no deal.

It is just better to conduct a better FTA with ASEAN alone, and that will come up next year...and ASEAN now better understands what India's core position is on this stuff so no need to waste bunch of time negotiating from scratch.

They at least will not play these games and then make it as though they are so open and you are the one doing all the shielding....not nearly as much at least.

Till then we need to continue with more and more reforms and continue to attract capital investment from the main technology providers in the West. They have actually opened up their markets to where we have competitive advantage....and don't play manipulative exchange rate shenanigans to distort their pricing (to protect labour inelasticity and threats of revolution and all that chain of events).
You really don't know how the Chinese market was flooded with all foreign products of everything and how millions state owned factories were out of business and closed down and how tens of millions being laid off and hundreds of millions can't find a job in China. Believe me, we experienced the worst that you guys can't even imagine.

I understand India can't take drastic policies to kill everything and rebuild the whole industries all over again from the basics like China did 40 years ago, that will throw your current government out of power in no time. You guys can find a middle way to do it.
 
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India .. always lagging to protect its shitty domestic market which has not produced any worthwhile consumer electronic or make any headway in large scale manufacturing. This is just to keep the funding corporates happy. Sad situation. Whole world moving ahead. And it's not that we aren't using chinese products already. Makes no faking sense.
 
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No its not a good point by that guy and this response by you just falls into his little trap.

The major point is if you want access to X% of our market, you also need to open up X% of your market.

When you only want certain sectors where you hold competitive advantage (mostly through capex inertia and forex stockpile subsidy) opened in another country, but you dont open the sectors where they hold competitive advantage (namely pharma and IT)...I'm sorry but no deal.

It is just better to conduct a better FTA with ASEAN alone, and that will come up next year...and ASEAN now better understands what India's core position is on this stuff so no need to waste bunch of time negotiating from scratch.

They at least will not play these games and then make it as though they are so open and you are the one doing all the shielding....not nearly as much at least.

Till then we need to continue with more and more reforms and continue to attract capital investment from the main technology providers in the West. They have actually opened up their markets to where we have competitive advantage....and don't play manipulative exchange rate shenanigans to distort their pricing (to protect labour inelasticity and threats of revolution and all that chain of events).


China has been there, done that. As old saying goes, no pain no gain, one should only recall 40+ million lay offs in early 90's in China to know what Chinese people have gone through. China's political system and social structure helped in the most significant way at the most crucial moment, as it successfully avoided the large scale social unrest and humanitarian crisis that would most likely associate with social reforms in such a grand scale in any developing country.

I am afraid India has missed the best oppotunity to break free from its historic and cultural shakles to form an unified modern society that has the potential to be competitive as a nation in today's world. Modi's petty compaigns, such as "Clean up India", "Start up India", "Skill India", won't have any significant impact on a society that is deeply swamped in religious nonsense. We discussed this topic 4 years ago.
 
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