China is watching Western democracy eat itself

[Placemat]

China's success is there for the whole world to see. There is no point arguing if Chinese "ruled" or "managed" their country for the past 70 years. It's time for the West to retrospect if there is indeed an alternative governance system that could be a viable option to western democracy.

Yiur chinese leaders said that the effect of french revolution is too earky to say. And you are already saying that china is suceessful?

We can prevent that from happening in the first place before the damage had been made.

You cannot. The chinese population is at the mercy of the ccp. It depends on luck on how they decide to behave and the decisions they make.

 

[Dungeness]

Yiur chinese leaders said that the effect of french revolution is too earky to say. And you are already saying that china is suceessful?

Why not? You can also claim India is a success story, comparing to its colonial past, or not?

 

[Placemat]

Why not? You can also claim India is a success story, comparing to its colonial past, or not?

depends on your success parameters.
I dont want to belittle Chinas giant strides in the last 40 years. They have huge achievements. However i will take western or even indias democracy anyday even if it means we bumble along. Its just a personal prefernce.

 

[Dungeness]

depends on your success parameters

Sure. If a country clinches no 2 spot in the world from a dirt poor country in just 70 years, it is not out of line to call it successful.

 

[Placemat]

Sure. If a country clinches no 2 spot in the world from a dirt poor country in just 70 years, it is not out of line to call it successful.

I agree, china is economically successful. I disagree that it was done in 70 y but In the last 40 years.

 

[Dungeness]

I agree, china is economically successful. I disagree that it was done in 70 y but In the last 40 years.

It takes a more matured mind to understand what exactly the first 30 years of PRC fundamentally changed China and Chinese. It's like the under grade foundation of a high rise building.

 

[beijingwalker]

You cannot. The chinese population is at the mercy of the ccp. It depends on luck on how they decide to behave and the decisions they make.

China won't allow dynasty governance like Nehru Gandhi family in India or Bush family in US, decisions are made collectively by the central commitee, and the result if clear for the world to see.
Western media always refer China to Mao, Mao was not the result of current Chinese leadership selection mechnism, he built an army and took over China by wars, he was like Washionton who was also not elected by general elections, those founding fathers were exceptions in the history of their respetive countries.
Leaders after Mao chosen from selection mechinism of the Chinese communist party all served China extremely well and with their consecutive effort and hardworking, they greatly improved the country's status. Can't say the same about your Indian govenment.

 

[Placemat]

It takes a more matured mind to understand what exactly the first 30 years of PRC fundamentally changed China and Chinese. It's like the under grade foundation of a high rise building.

I am sure there was a fundamental shift. I would live to understand more.

China won't allow dynasty governance like Nehru Gandhi family in India or Bush family in US, decisions are made collectively by the central commitee, and the result if clear for the world to see.
Western media always refer China to Mao, Mao was not the result of current Chinese leadership selection mechnism, he built an army and took over China by wars, he was like Washionton who was also not elected by general elections, those founding fathers were exceptions in the history of their respetive countries.
Leaders after Mao chosen from selection mechinism of the Chinese communist party all served China extremely well and with their consecutive effort and hardworking, they greatly improved the country's status. Can't say the same about your Indian govenment.

Ok..

 

[beijingwalker]

I agree, china is economically successful. I disagree that it was done in 70 y but In the last 40 years.

Mao made mistakes, the Chinese government admitted that. But in a sense, he completely changed Chinese people's mentality and made the country culturally and mentally ready for the coming fast development. What slows India down is their old mentality, evil caste system and fractious numerous superstitions and practices.

 

[nahtanbob]

The whole point of Mao was a military leader and he took over by force, he was an exception that was not the result of the Chinese current selection system based on past management experience and achievements. Washington was also not elected by general a election but he won a war against UK, you can't say his way to the office is the norm of US politics today.

George Washington was a model President. He ran for only two terms even though he could have sought a third term. That alone makes them great for his times

 

[AViet]

I have a choice of leaving a company where my voice is not heard. Do such choices exist in countries ?
You are next door to Cambodia. you saw what the Khmer Rouge did.



I will take idiots and clowns like Bush and Trump any day over the ones who brought the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution to China

You should look at a bigger picture and realize that the conditions of China and the US were dramatically different. If you did not have a Mao to cure the illness of China, which had been accumulated over hundreds years, you would not have China today.

Bush and Trump are making the illness of the US (and all Western democracies). Within 200 years, you would need Mao or Stalin-style leaders.

 

[beijingwalker]

George Washington was a model President. He ran for only two terms even though he could have sought a third term. That alone makes them great for his times

I don't arge about that, my point is those founding fathers were exceptions.

 

[nahtanbob]

China won't allow dynasty governance like Nehru Gandhi family in India or Bush family in US, decisions are made collectively by the central commitee, and the result if clear for the world to see.
Western media always refer China to Mao, Mao was not the result of current Chinese leadership selection mechnism, he built an army and took over China by wars, he was like Washionton who was also not elected by general elections, those founding fathers were exceptions in the history of their respetive countries.
Leaders after Mao chosen from selection mechinism of the Chinese communist party all served China extremely well and with their consecutive effort and hardworking, they greatly improved the country's status. Can't say the same about your Indian govenment.

if someone is elected it is not by definition dynasty

Bush clan ruled for 12 years. That is not a dynasty. The 2nd and 6th presidents were son-father combo. no one called Adams a dynasty.

The last time Nehru-Gandhi family had the prime ministership in India was 1989. that is 30 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_India#Prime_Ministers_of_India

You should look at a bigger picture and realize that the conditions of China and the US were dramatically different. If you did not have a Mao to cure the illness of China, which had been accumulated over hundreds years, you would not have China today.

Bush and Trump are making the illness of the US (and all Western democracies). Within 200 years, you would need Mao or Stalin-style leaders.

what has Bush done ?? he started a foolish war in Iraq at the time. it is forgotten since Iraq looks better than Saddam days.

Even if you look at trump it is more rhetoric than actions

for the record what illness of china did Mao cure ?

 

[beijingwalker]

if someone is elected it is not by definition dynasty

Bush clan ruled for 12 years. That is not a dynasty. The 2nd and 6th presidents were son-father combo. no one called Adams a dynasty.

The last time Nehru-Gandhi family had the prime ministership in India was 1989. that is 30 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_India#Prime_Ministers_of_India

You can change your defintion in words but it won't change the fact those families exert great influence over your politics for decades while in China it never happened. Most US senators have family background of rich lor power, and US systems don't evolve with time fast enough like Chinese system do, so you guys can stop promoting your beloved democracy or freedom, it's all farce and trash in our eyes.

 

[Nan Yang]

Friend , the anericans can throw out trump in 2020 should they choose. Can you guys do so. You are right that Mao is dead. But you cannot prevent the next Mao. Xi has just taken permanent chair. People who dont like it have no choice

India elected an Italian waitress out of one billion Indians. Way to go.